#indieweb 2018-11-14
2018-11-14 UTC
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[Vincent] Good morning IndieWeb, Morning Zegnat 🙂
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# kisik21 Good morning IndieWeb, you can congratulate me, I've set up POSSE to the birdsite!
# kisik21 I'm so excited!
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petermolnar kisik21++
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas Wouldn't you know it, but the first later vHWC and I have to go out this evening. Might make the first 30 minutes or so.
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
# petermolnar ok, a tiny, but quite annoying topic: how should I indicate that my site supports changing contrast (dark/light theme), where should I put it on the site, and should it be a <button> to make it semantic?
# petermolnar morning [jgmac1106]
# petermolnar heh. I could make a clippy appear when I detect light mode, with "it looks like you're using light mode. Would you like to change the contrast of this website to light as well?"
# petermolnar :D
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cweiske e.g. on http://cweiske.de/
# kisik21 aaronpk: do you plan on adding indie-actions to your site? I find it kinda disturbing to not be able to like your stuff with push of a button.
# kisik21 Also - does quill have bookmarklets for liking stuff and quickly writing replies?
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sl007 cweiske petermolnar Oh yes and Firefox does that too ! Test: https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/cssref/altstyles/index.html [deu: Ansicht>Webseiten-Stil] - IE did too View>Style ! Not sure about Edge. Will do a feature request for Safari.
# kisik21 what is omnibear
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Loqi Omnibear is a browser extension for posting text notes, replies, and likes to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Omnibear
# kisik21 oh nice
# sl007 Hey everybody - I would be more than happy if you (all) could tell me some ideas for http://indieweb.org/2019/Vlissingen#Planning because I'd like to go on with organizing anything next week :
# [jgmac1106] @petermolnar you could see how [grantcodes] does color picking but he gives you all the color
# petermolnar cweiske: hm. I have inlined my CSS, how do I mark <style> up like that?
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# jeremycherfas Tell! petermolnar dgold had a very similar discussion for his site. Have you seen that?
# petermolnar nope, where should I look?
# jeremycherfas I don't know where the discussion is, now, but the site is https://ascraeus.org/ and the final button on the right under the site name is the one.
# petermolnar oh, that I know; it's more like the contrast button, on it's own, is not trivial/common enough to be honest
# jeremycherfas No, me neither. He's on m.b from time to time.
# [jgmac1106] I can tell you what he is reading. Still posting often.
# [jgmac1106] !calc 7:00pm CET to EDT
# [jgmac1106] ... Perfect right when class gets out
# petermolnar for now I settled with a checkbox + a "dark mode" label for it, defaulting to checked checkbox
# petermolnar (for the theme switcher)
# petermolnar it should...
# petermolnar if, but only if, window.matchMedia("(prefers-color-scheme: light)").matches is true when light mode is active
# petermolnar you need to clear your localstorage
# petermolnar it has priority
# petermolnar damn
# petermolnar can you see what window.matchMedia("(prefers-color-scheme: light)").matches returns?
# petermolnar :/
# petermolnar I'd be quite glad to do that
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# kisik21 yeah, found it
# kisik21 what do you mean by sold?
# kisik21 but the most logical one. Silos have like buttons - why not indieweb?
# kisik21 We're building a social network replacement after all.
# kisik21 What's the deal with current indie-action JS shim?
# kisik21 Is it somehow insecure?
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aaronpk this section captures some of the reasons I am not happy with it https://indieweb.org/webactions#Issues
# kisik21 aaronpk: while I'm not a web browser developer, I think I know enough about them to say that these problems are solved with proper browser support.
# kisik21 1. The leakage would be fixed with native processing of <action> tag
# kisik21 2. The design... well, it probably will be browser specific but I bet there would be a convention not unlike "don't modify original markup because it can break website layout"
# kisik21 3. click() action could be just prohibited by UA
# aaronpk 2, sure, but now you're getting into this issue https://textslashplain.com/2017/01/14/the-line-of-death/
# sl007 aaronpk wouldn't Navigator.registerProtocolHandler be a solution again (if browsers would support it properly) - how about https://indieweb.org/indie-config ?
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[kevinmarks] That's where you use fallback icons like Tantek.
# sl007 as Pelle Wessman discovered, specified, demoed several times, also in https://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/Demos#Sebastian_Lasse
# kisik21 aaronpk: is quill email endpoint working right now?
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# [jgmac1106] Devy
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# [jgmac1106] Joining now. It was demo day in class so we ran a little late
# [jgmac1106] Going to miss vHWC... My computer tried to update and now the macOS installation fails every time... Off to the dregs of higher ed IT support
# [jgmac1106] It's our lame authentication process... We use Microsoft and ldap but we are always a version or two behind macOS the constant push to update a computer you aren't authorized to update breaks all the time... And then there is stupid Keychain
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# [Vincent] Just published this article on my static Indieweb implementation. It’s a bit of a monster: https://vincentp.me/articles/2018/11/14/20-00/
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# petermolnar [Vincent]: that's anything but a 'bit' :D /me started reading it
# Loqi A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static
# Loqi ok, I added "https://vincentp.me/articles/2018/11/14/20-00/" to the "See Also" section of /static_site https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=53914&oldid=51681
# petermolnar [Vincent]++
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# viaken That's neat
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[tantek] sl007++ thanks for that Firefox alternate stylesheets UI reminder (for EN UI: View -> Page Styles ) - I have a 17 year old example: http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/codeisfreespeech.html (yes that's not a typo - *17*)
# Loqi Weather is the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc https://indieweb.org/weather
# [tantek] Eddie perhaps document your background color weather effects in your section here? https://indieweb.org/weather#Eddie_Hinkle
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# [Vincent] @petermolnar I got carried away 🙂
# [Vincent] what is indienews?
# Loqi IndieNews is an indieweb news aggregator, similar to Hacker News, which only accepts submissions via webmention https://indieweb.org/IndieNews
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gRegorLove A fun thread: https://twitter.com/bcrypt/status/1062839025889816576
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@bcrypt an observation from this thread: before the web was fully dominated by megacorps and social media, people spent more time doing stuff on the web that was different from what other people were doing. in other words, the web back then was more of a choose-your-own-adventure. https://twitter.com/bcrypt/status/1062547078528720897 (twitter.com/_/status/1062839025889816576)
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# gRegorLove My first memory involved midi, too. I went to the Mission: Impossible movie site and thought it was so cool it played the theme song.
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