#indieweb 2018-11-16

2018-11-16 UTC
[chrisaldrich], [sdepolo], [manton], [tantek], dougbeal|mb1, [eddie] and sl007 joined the channel
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sl007
Good morning everybody.
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sl007
Skip https://www.xkcd.com - "Joke Of The Day", GoDaddy Social Media Manager about the "#indieweb" : https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/1063197516072538114
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@sdepolo
@MackCollier I keep hearing this. And talking to folks at #MPB2B and at #indieweb yesterday, I hear I am not the only one finding it harder than expected to change my habits from checking social all day to blogging regularly. https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DsE8aOnVsAAgOAi.jpg
(twtr.io/1kW0CbFy2o_)
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sindan
I just discovered this channel, I like te concept.
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sindan
Sad that no one cares much for controlling their own content/etc
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sindan
I miss the 90s web, where people wrote their own html. The web has become corporate shit.
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Loqi
misses the too
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sindan
I used to search for anime I liked and got pages written by fans, now the results are wikipedia and youtube. The personal webs seems to have disappeared.
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sindan
I need to rant a bit today... don't mind me
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KartikPrabhu
sl007: why is that joke of the day? sdepolo has been a very active supporter of indieweb including attending quite a few HWC
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sl007
yes but it reads as if Social Media Silos are like reading anything in one place and indieweb is like "checking to blogging" - but the indieweb principles want exactly to solve the problem that you need to visit each "blog".
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KartikPrabhu
sl007: sure but I don't understand what eh criticism of that tweet warrants "joke of the day"
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KartikPrabhu
and it is true that indieweb has not solved the problem of "visiting each blog". microsub is a big step forward though
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sl007
Exactly. It is because I am so angry. All of my friends are on g+. I am there because they are there and most "concerned journalists" and there are 3.000 followers incl. my community. Now they will all become "homeless" >
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KartikPrabhu
still doesn't sound like a criticism of that tweet
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sl007
wait.
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sl007
I have tried to tell them anything about the indieweb. But all explained the big problem why they all just join a Mastodon instance by one click or MeWe by one click : And the problem was particulary about very bad experiences with webhosting. And there was so much critics about GoDaddy domain parking / selling !
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sl007
Also such wording gives people exactly the wrong impression when they search for hashtag "indieweb"
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KartikPrabhu
yes. I get that hosting your own website is not a very pleasant experience. but the indieweb should take such criticism and improve on it
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sl007
Exactly. And this is the critic. The tweet explains nothing but gives a wrong "impression" …
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KartikPrabhu
instead of dismissing it as "bad publicity"
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KartikPrabhu
I don't think so
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KartikPrabhu
it is pointing out exactly the problem that needs to be solved
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KartikPrabhu
how do we make it easier to have your own site, and own your content instead of relying on silos
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KartikPrabhu
as long as it is easier to post content on silos than on your own site, people will pick silos
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KartikPrabhu
and to be clear, I am not saying this as some outsider. I am not a developer. I do the indieweb things for fun. and maintaining my own site is a lot more work than just defering it to some silo
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KartikPrabhu
so @sdepolo's tweet is actually getting to the real problem
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sindan
Ah, I've seen these discussions so many times.
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KartikPrabhu
sindan: yes! they come up many times because they are legit questions to be asked
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KartikPrabhu
afaik only the silos have made it easier for everyone to post content on the web
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sindan
I just came to this channel 30 minutes ago. I don't know how the indieweb people are promoting it. I like the idea but normal people are not moved by technical points, or principles like "freedom" in this context.
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KartikPrabhu
sindan: exactly why these questions need to be asked and explored
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sindan
Well, when something is small, it is usually simpler and more beautiful. Then capitalism comes and says "if this is good, then a thousand quintillions of this must be better, and at low price too"
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[tantek]
sindan do you have a personal site or are you wanting to set one up?
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sindan
The web has been stretched out of its original purpose and people think it's cool to post "meeting this thursday at 19.00" on facecrap. That's not go to change.
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sindan
[tantek]: no, it would be cool but what I mean on tech is meant also by others, and Stallman says it better than me.
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sknebel
good morning indieweb!
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[Vincent]
Good morning [sknebel]
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jgmac1106
[sindan] we don’t worry about the market, we worry about the MEs, and encourage people to get a website. We don’t advertise, everyone with their own domain advertises for us
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[jgmac1106]
Good morning
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Loqi
good morning!
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Loqi
sebsel has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (24 in all channels)
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petermolnar
for that article on hacking mp-syndication
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Loqi
[Peter Molnar] The internet that took over the Internet
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petermolnar
sl007: I went through so many iterations of closing silos, I basically lost all my communities on the internet at least 4 times by now... I can relate, but the more people with voice supporting/promoting indieweb, the better.
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