#indieweb 2018-11-16

2018-11-16 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/16/1/note/
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sl007 Good morning everybody.
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sl007 Skip https://www.xkcd.com - "Joke Of The Day", GoDaddy Social Media Manager about the "#indieweb" : https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/1063197516072538114
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@sdepolo @MackCollier I keep hearing this. And talking to folks at #MPB2B and at #indieweb yesterday, I hear I am not the only one finding it harder than expected to change my habits from checking social all day to blogging regularly. https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DsE8aOnVsAAgOAi.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1063197516072538114)
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sindan I just discovered this channel, I like te concept.
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sindan Sad that no one cares much for controlling their own content/etc
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sindan I miss the 90s web, where people wrote their own html. The web has become corporate shit.
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Loqi misses the too
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sindan I used to search for anime I liked and got pages written by fans, now the results are wikipedia and youtube. The personal webs seems to have disappeared.
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sindan I need to rant a bit today... don't mind me
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KartikPrabhu sl007: why is that joke of the day? sdepolo has been a very active supporter of indieweb including attending quite a few HWC
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sl007 yes but it reads as if Social Media Silos are like reading anything in one place and indieweb is like "checking to blogging" - but the indieweb principles want exactly to solve the problem that you need to visit each "blog".
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KartikPrabhu sl007: sure but I don't understand what eh criticism of that tweet warrants "joke of the day"
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KartikPrabhu and it is true that indieweb has not solved the problem of "visiting each blog". microsub is a big step forward though
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sl007 Exactly. It is because I am so angry. All of my friends are on g+. I am there because they are there and most "concerned journalists" and there are 3.000 followers incl. my community. Now they will all become "homeless" >
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KartikPrabhu still doesn't sound like a criticism of that tweet
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sl007 wait.
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sl007 I have tried to tell them anything about the indieweb. But all explained the big problem why they all just join a Mastodon instance by one click or MeWe by one click : And the problem was particulary about very bad experiences with webhosting. And there was so much critics about GoDaddy domain parking / selling !
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sl007 Also such wording gives people exactly the wrong impression when they search for hashtag "indieweb"
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KartikPrabhu yes. I get that hosting your own website is not a very pleasant experience. but the indieweb should take such criticism and improve on it
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sl007 Exactly. And this is the critic. The tweet explains nothing but gives a wrong "impression" …
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KartikPrabhu instead of dismissing it as "bad publicity"
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KartikPrabhu I don't think so
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KartikPrabhu it is pointing out exactly the problem that needs to be solved
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KartikPrabhu how do we make it easier to have your own site, and own your content instead of relying on silos
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KartikPrabhu as long as it is easier to post content on silos than on your own site, people will pick silos
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KartikPrabhu and to be clear, I am not saying this as some outsider. I am not a developer. I do the indieweb things for fun. and maintaining my own site is a lot more work than just defering it to some silo
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KartikPrabhu so @sdepolo's tweet is actually getting to the real problem
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sindan Ah, I've seen these discussions so many times.
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KartikPrabhu sindan: yes! they come up many times because they are legit questions to be asked
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KartikPrabhu afaik only the silos have made it easier for everyone to post content on the web
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sindan I just came to this channel 30 minutes ago. I don't know how the indieweb people are promoting it. I like the idea but normal people are not moved by technical points, or principles like "freedom" in this context.
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KartikPrabhu sindan: exactly why these questions need to be asked and explored
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sindan Well, when something is small, it is usually simpler and more beautiful. Then capitalism comes and says "if this is good, then a thousand quintillions of this must be better, and at low price too"
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[tantek] sindan do you have a personal site or are you wanting to set one up?
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sindan The web has been stretched out of its original purpose and people think it's cool to post "meeting this thursday at 19.00" on facecrap. That's not go to change.
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sindan [tantek]: no, it would be cool but what I mean on tech is meant also by others, and Stallman says it better than me.
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sknebel good morning indieweb!
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[Vincent] Good morning [sknebel]
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jgmac1106 [sindan] we don’t worry about the market, we worry about the MEs, and encourage people to get a website. We don’t advertise, everyone with their own domain advertises for us
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi good morning!
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petermolnar sebsel++
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Loqi sebsel has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (24 in all channels)
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petermolnar for that article on hacking mp-syndication
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petermolnar sindan: re disappearing old web: https://petermolnar.net/internet-emotional-core/
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Loqi [Peter Molnar] The internet that took over the Internet
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petermolnar sl007: I went through so many iterations of closing silos, I basically lost all my communities on the internet at least 4 times by now... I can relate, but the more people with voice supporting/promoting indieweb, the better.
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[Vincent] Hi all, quick question around media and syndication endpoints.
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[Vincent] Am I correct in thinking, if I receive a request parameter to q=config I should return my media endpoint *and* my syndication targets.
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[Vincent] Is the reason for the doubling up to just save traffic requests and keep things simple?
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[Vincent] But if I request parameter to q=syndicate-to I should return only my syndication targets?
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[Vincent] Or have I got it backwards? Any help appreciated!
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Zegnat I *think* it is that way because syndicate-to was introduced before config, but I might be wrong.
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[Vincent] I see, that makes sense. Does that make it likely that syndicate-to might get dropped as a recommended process at some point and default to config for future “things”?
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sknebel other way around probably
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[Vincent] lol
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sknebel since most recent extensions add new ?q=
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[Vincent] I think I’ll support both in the short term then and see how it pans out
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sknebel yeah, should have both for now
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Zegnat You can probably also return the exact some JSON for both requests without confusing any clients. As in both cases the same part is being read
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[Vincent] awesome, that would make things a lot simpler!
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[Vincent] thanks for your help guys
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Zegnat If more specific questions come up I recommend heading for the -dev channel where we can discuss the JSON in detail :)
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[Vincent] I shall, no worries 😉
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Zegnat [Vincent]++ just finished reading the implementing IndieWeb post! Awesome! I like all the flow charts
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[Vincent] thanks, it’s how my brain works. I find it easier to think of technical things as loops or flows of data that move though logic gates
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[jgmac1106] check out this ten year old-s blog they are talking about at NCTE today: http://www.thelivbits.com/about.html
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[schmarty] What is NCTE?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NCTE" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "NCTE is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] sorry national council of teachers of english
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[jgmac1106] just overwrote my website trying to update my son's website...drag and drop fail
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[dave] Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning
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[schmarty] now has iOS Live Photo to looping video via micropub and iOS Shortcuts!
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[schmarty] example post: https://martymcgui.re/2018/11/16/113213/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] TFW you’re trying to make sure you’re in the group selfie. 😂 [video]
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[eddie] :exploding_head:
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[eddie] wants!
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aaronpk Amaze
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[schmarty] deets in -dev!
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[jdpinto1] Hello all 👋
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[jdpinto1] I’m trying to figure out how best to set up a basic blog / personal site and have become so overwhelmed with all the possibilities. I know I’m overthinking everything and should just start small, but I’ve become enthralled with the idea of the IndieWeb and really want to do this right. I have some basic experience with front-end design and Jekyll, but not much. WordPress seems to be the way to go for IndieWeb compliancy, but so many people
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[jdpinto1] static sites that I’d rather start there if that’s where I’m going to end up anyway. Just looking for some advice. Would it be better for a relative newbie like me to create a simple WordPress blog with all the IndieWeb plugins, or is it reasonably straight-forward to create a Jekyll site on GH-Pages with webmentions and the works? Is micro.blog considered part of the IndieWeb? Any links to helpful posts, etc. would be really awesome :thumb
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[cleverdevil] Is anyone here a GarageBand expert? Trying to figure out how to add chapter markers for a podcast... I have added "arrangement markers" which I thought would be the right thing, but when I export to WAV and open in Forecast, it doesn't import the chapters.
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[tantek] Welcome [jdpinto1]!! yes there are many choices and it's easy to be overwhelmed 🙂
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jgmac1106 Hey Juan, IndieWeb is just getting a space online where you are in control. Different pathways for different purposes. welcome
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[cleverdevil] [jdpinto1] welcome! Lots of options for sure. WordPress is a great option for self-hosting a website. Getting WordPress dialed in for IndieWeb can be a bit daunting, but you've got a great community here to help guide you. Micro.blog is likely a faster path, but you won't get a lot of features that you may want (like showing webmentions on your site).
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[tantek] WordPress + Plugins, Jekyll on GH Pages, and micro.blog are all great ways to be on the IndieWeb! Some of it depends on how much you want to customize / just get things done / be on the cutting edge 🙂
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[cleverdevil] You can also consider Known, which is what I use for my site.
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[cleverdevil] Its easier to get dialed in than WordPress, and is pretty compliant right out of the box.
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[cleverdevil] That said, it has a much smaller community.
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[jgmac1106] I am using Known as well, but I am going to have just a few static websites. I used to use WordPress+Known for very long time
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jgmac1106 Basically we are all trying to answer the same question you are asking. It’s a lot of fun.
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jgmac1106 Drupal, which is a bit more involved as a CMS is also pretty out of the box…being a harder box to open
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[jdpinto1] Wow, those were some quick answers! Tinkering is definitely one of my weaknesses, so I’m sure I’ll keep changing things and trying out new tools here and there. But first I just need to get up and running!
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[jgmac1106] Here is where I am currently tinkering, using glitch as my staging sever,: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/ and then my social feeds will be on https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
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Loqi Greg McVerry
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[jgmac1106] You can also usually ask and see what kind of people have.
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[jgmac1106] Who is cleverdevil?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Cleverdevil.io
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[jgmac1106] Who is schmarty?
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Loqi Marty McGuire is a freelance web developer in Baltimore, MD, USA https://indieweb.org/User:Martymcgui.re
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[jgmac1106] everyone will describe the bike they ride, and they are usually pedaling while fixing
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slvr needs to fix a 7th gear slip when in the smallest front chainring
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[jgmac1106] ha ha
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[tantek] [jgmac1106]++ wow I'm very impressed with this commitment and wish you major luck!!! https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/pages/100daysofindieweb
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