#indieweb 2018-11-19

2018-11-19 UTC
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cambridgeport90[
Good morning. Or evening. Whatever time it might be.
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gRegorLove
what is ugt?
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Loqi
Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/UGT
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gRegorLove
Morning, cambridgeport90 o/
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GWG
Welcome
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mblaney
!tell snarfed can indiemap be queried to ask how many mf2 classes can be found on a page? h-feed for instance?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106]
Good morning
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GWG
Hello, [jgmac1106]
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jgmac1106
Hey David hope all is well
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GWG
[jgmac1106]: The usual..mixing Indieweb, home stuff, and work.
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GWG
jgmac1106: How is your project going?
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jgmac1106
good, though took a bit of detour today to do a deep dive on h-review…in case Chris and I decide to do a Zamzidat journal some day
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jgmac1106
now I am working on a Read post type plugin for Known….I did get the h-feeds properly added to my homepage so that was fun
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GWG
I want to experiment with adding better static page support to my theme.
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GWG
So, I may do some things with h-feed rel-feed and rel-alternate
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GWG
But I had to get POSSE to Twitter with photo working.
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GWG
For my event next week
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jgmac1106
it is pretty good, I would add a default generic webmention page
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jgmac1106
that’s just u-photo I believe
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cambridgeport90[
By the way, does anyone know of any. NET Framework implementations of these standards? Those are the communities that often have no clue what I'm talking about when I mentioned this.
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gRegorLove
cambridgeport90[, I'm not familiar with any. If the community is aware of them they should be listed in the Implementations section on the wiki page
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cambridgeport90[
I wonder how easy they are to implement. I only say that because in the not-too-distant future, that's where I think I could help the most. I'm surprised.
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gRegorLove
That would be awesome, cambridgeport90[. Webmention should be a relatively easy one.
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cambridgeport90[
And That's odd. Wonder why I can't see the channels from this room? Shouldn't they show up above here?
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aaronpk
are you on the matrix bridge? it glitches out sometimes
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jgmac1106
channels?
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cambridgeport90[
I am. Is it better to just use IRC clients directly? I evidently had a brain fart and thought that this was a Synapse server LOL.
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aaronpk
it's also bridged to slack if that's your thing https://indieweb.org/discuss
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cambridgeport90[
This whole bridging of services is definitely something to get used to. What is the advantage between using the Matrix or the IRC protocol, then? Don't they both allow you to own your server?
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GWG
cambridgeport90[: Everyone gets what they want but we can all talk
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cambridgeport90[
Makes a lot of sense, actually. But what happened to the other channels in here? Meta, dev, and so on? Do you have to join them separately when using the Riot client?
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aaronpk
probably
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cambridgeport90[
Interesting.
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jgmac1106
we have to join each channel in IRC or in Slack as well
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cambridgeport90[
Ah. So each channel has a link to it?
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jgmac1106
!tell KartikPrahbu Can you send me a link to your publications page, I wanna see how you used microformats on the page
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove
The canonical channels are separate channels on IRC, so you have to join them manually. Matrix is probably the same.
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gRegorLove
On Slack people can invite you to rooms, or you can manually join them.
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cambridgeport90_
cambridgeport90This is a test.
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cambridgeport90[
You guys can freely ignore that. I was testing a client over here. I didn't actually think that was going to work.
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mlncn
Anyone here actually run the "Our incredible journey" site? Here's another entry... https://twitter.com/HongPong/status/1064360197022511104
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@HongPong
TwitterCounter ran out of runway!! too bad that these social media 'ecosystems' don't produce viable businesses eh https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsVd2-IVYAAHXj3.jpg
(twtr.io/1kbvYtYDqrj)
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mlncn
OK doesn't look like Phil Gyford is in here... i'd never read the about page to see who runs https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/
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[tantek]
what is Twitter Counter?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Twitter Counter" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Twitter Counter is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[Vincent]
Morning IndieWeb
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gooooootime
Good morning
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Loqi
rise and shine!
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106]
Good morning
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gooooootime
Good morning
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[jgmac1106]
Today's debate, I had so much fun laying out my article template and then building the h-feed on and laying out articles.
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gooooootime
Yay!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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[jgmac1106]
Working on idno plugins thought Known would be php form->database - > render page... But it plays with data in fun and interesting ways
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[kevinmarks]
It has an abstraction inbetween because it wa originally on a nosql backend before being made MySQL compatible
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[jgmac1106]
I find myself just wishing each post type wS plan html file I copy and paste.... Wondering if I have skillsetvto try something like perch runway.
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[jgmac1106]
Ahhh that makes sense. I did not understand role of the middleman
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[jgmac1106]
Think strategy will be stick with Known and slowly add post type and plumbing to home page
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[jgmac1106]
Morning Kevin, Martin, Peter, and gooodtimes
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[jgmac1106]
Goootime, sorry had images of JJ in my heaf
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gooooootime
No worries
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[jgmac1106]
Who is gooooootime?
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gooooootime
I’m gooooootime
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[jgmac1106]
Either I can't count my o's or you don't have a wiki page
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gooooootime
I hope I don’t
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[jgmac1106]
Sorry about that. We can ask the bot about people with registered chat names
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[jgmac1106]
Who is jgmac1106?
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Loqi
J. Gregory McVerry (Greg) is an educator trying to use the web to help engineer better teachers https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com
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gooooootime
Wow
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[jgmac1106]
Freaks people out when folks try and they aren't on yet...
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[jgmac1106]
Like "Why you asking who I am. In third pwrseI am right here? Yeah Loqi does all the awesome stuff.
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gooooootime
Lol
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[jgmac1106]
!calc 2000-4/2
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Loqi
1998
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[jgmac1106]
What is webmention?
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Loqi
Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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[jgmac1106]
What time is it for Kevinmarks?
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Loqi
In Kevinmarks's timezone, Europe/London, it is currently 10:44am on November 19
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[jgmac1106]
This is how bots should work
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Zegnat
The only problem is getting used to it, and then not having Loqi around in private conversations
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gooooootime
Tough problem to have
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[jgmac1106]
Though Loqi failed me on meme generation
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petermolnar
!meme Loqi
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gooooootime
Loqi: is pretty cool
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Loqi
Loqi has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (48 in all channels)
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gooooootime
What other channels is Loqi in?
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[jgmac1106]
All of them
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[jgmac1106]
Just note chat isn't archived and considered off record
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gooooootime
Not all of them clearly
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gooooootime
Or what is “them”?
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Zegnat
What is discuss?
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Loqi
Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, IRC, Matrix, or Slack, now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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Zegnat
That page documents our channels
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gooooootime
Oh thanks
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[jgmac1106]
Zegnat doing the morning commute?
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Zegnat
I did the morning commute 5 hours ago :P
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petermolnar
I kind of regret I didn't bring up the themes/color schemes as a session in Berlin
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petermolnar
when is next iwc?
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Loqi
IndieWebCamp Austin 2019 is on 2019-02-23 at Capital Factory https://indieweb.org/next-iwc
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[jgmac1106]
We don't have dates set for online yet. Ping [eddie]
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petermolnar
I still have mixed feelings about an online iwc
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petermolnar
hwc, sure, iwc, not that certain
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[jgmac1106]
Further West we go harder it gets for EU to remote
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petermolnar
that applies to further East as well :)
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[jgmac1106]
... Well we won't know till we try... I have organized a few 100% online conferences, you mix up synch, asynch, one way, and multiple direction feeds
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[jgmac1106]
Yes we need an IWC Tokyo but that me so far east you coming back west again
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petermolnar
IWC Seoul is more likely
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sknebel
oh, I'd totally go that
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[jgmac1106]
petermolnar are you using a Jekyll site?
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petermolnar
I never used a Jekyll site :)
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petermolnar
I have vague memories of some wiki pages trasnlated to Korean
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petermolnar
is my memory tricking me?
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[jgmac1106]
What are your bones built on... Gonna stick to Known but having ton of fun building front end of my site... Want to think ahead when I can do it on my own
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sknebel
no, there was some stuff
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[jgmac1106]
IWC Phuket
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petermolnar
[jgmac1106]: https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg/ - a big fat Python script
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petermolnar
I need to update the readme
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[Vincent]
[jgmac1106] I’m using Jekyll. Although looking at Eleventy https://www.11ty.io/docs/
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petermolnar
[jgmac1106]: the thing is, static generators, in their core, are extremely simple things: a for loop and a format converter
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[jgmac1106]
Debating perch runway as kind of training wheels, Known just works, but building my article h-feed was fun...
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106]
And I just can't see spending hours writing and maintaining plugins for html files I can write in seconds
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[jgmac1106]
Morning Jeremy.
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petermolnar
you write some template files, write your content in a html wysiwyg, run that for loop, site done
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petermolnar
the tricky part is to integrate with services
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petermolnar
that complicates it
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petermolnar
and images. images are nasty.
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[jgmac1106]
That is where ai might use perch runway
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[jgmac1106]
S3 integration and blogging plumbing with native webmentions
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petermolnar
what is perch runway?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "perch runway" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "perch runway is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106]
What is perch?
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Loqi
Perch and Perch Runway are a content management systems based on PHP+MySQL https://indieweb.org/Perch
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[jgmac1106]
I don't know how to write redirects but what is perch runway should be redirected to that
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[jgmac1106]
Will take me time, want to layout entire website first
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petermolnar
redirects: <?php header("Location: $target"); ?>
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[jgmac1106]
So I will hang with Jeremy on Known for awhile
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[jgmac1106]
No, I mean the Loqi question
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sknebel
Perch Runway is /Perch.
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[jgmac1106]
Still looking for any CSS Grid examples for threaded comment feeds, built mine super simple, they just stack with an arrow icon to indicate thread
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[jgmac1106]
Well off to start my day
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[jgmac1106]
Rachel Andrew, who also runs gridbyexame, does Perch and she is #IndieWeb ally... Figure plumbing and pretty with that CMS
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petermolnar
[jgmac1106]: I don't see the point in CSS grids for comment threads
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petermolnar
could it not be handled by nested blocquotes?
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petermolnar
hence Seoul