#indieweb 2018-11-22

2018-11-22 UTC
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Guest6 Also, I connected from IRC (textual.app mac client), but not sure if I can use it because of the spam thing
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the_hoomanist Thank you Loqi!
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[eddie] Hey hoomanist, welcome! Due to the US Holiday this week, the chat might be a bit more quiet. Just so you know, it’s not you 🙂
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the_hoomanist Thank Eddie. I can stop crying now. :D :D
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the_hoomanist I'm reading the Getting started documentation and. rel-me
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the_hoomanist But still not sure
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[eddie] The first step of IndieWeb is just having your content on your own domain name.
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the_hoomanist Done. https://hooman.ist
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the_hoomanist And https://simonesalis.com
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the_hoomanist What's step 2? :D
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[eddie] That’s great! After that, a couple directions you can look into based on what you want to accomplish
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[eddie] If you want to communicate with others you can look into webmentions
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[eddie] It allows two different websites to communicate between each other. Like reply to other posts, or like posts, etc.
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the_hoomanist Reading https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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jacky yup, some awesome stuff there
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[eddie] If you want to get your content out for broader reach you can look into what is called POSSE (Post Own Site first, Syndicate Elsewhere). There are various tools that can help you syndicate posts from your site to other sites/social media
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the_hoomanist Since I use Ghost, it looks like I'm out of luck for easy solutions. But I'm not much into the comments/likes thing.
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[eddie] Gotcha
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[eddie] If you are interested in controlling your reading experience you can check out Social Readers
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[eddie] What are readers?
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Loqi A reader (AKA indie reader or social reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site, and respond (like, comment, repost, etc) inline in the reading UI itself https://indieweb.org/readers
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[eddie] That has some of the latest info about that stuff
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the_hoomanist I will, thanks. Right now I use a convoluted setup with Zapier to reformat and distribute stuff
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the_hoomanist Uh
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[eddie] Also anything else you’re wanting to achieve just let us know and we can help point in the right direction
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the_hoomanist It feels so good to have a good human being helping out
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the_hoomanist Thank you Eddie
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[eddie] My pleasure 🙂
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the_hoomanist Are you the same Eddie behind Indigenous?
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GWG That's him
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GWG The Eddie.
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[eddie] Yep, that’s me
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[eddie] Hahahaha
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the_hoomanist Dah Eddie?
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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the_hoomanist Honored :)
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GWG Husband to Ashley, father to Luke, etc
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the_hoomanist That's where I was at.
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the_hoomanist Chick-fil-a
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[eddie] It was some delicious chicken tonight!
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the_hoomanist Almost stopped at one myself.
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GWG Never been
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GWG I was at a burger joint in Great Neck
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the_hoomanist No judgement, GWG.
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GWG There is judgement on chicken choices?
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GWG I have a good one if you are ever in NY
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GWG But that requires a visit to the off topic chat room
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the_hoomanist WE'll leave it to that
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the_hoomanist So for my simple brain: Social readers are like a super powerful client for RSS and other kind of syndication technologies
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the_hoomanist Like Microsub?
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[eddie] Yeah the goal of social readers are about having all the content you want to follow in one place and, being able to post back to your website when/if you wish
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the_hoomanist Plus interacting and bouncing off different sources and similar things
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[eddie] Providing more of a social media type experience for the rss and other feeds
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[eddie] Yep, you’ve got it!
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GWG Microsub is just a protocol that separates the parsing from the display.
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the_hoomanist Gotcha. So it's like the legitimate version of me turning everything I want in RSS, and using Lire on iOS
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the_hoomanist with rsshub app.
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the_hoomanist Plus using pinboard+zapier to republish and share on Ghost and social media
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the_hoomanist Well, just a little bit better. But basically it's the good version of what I try to do terribly on my own
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[eddie] Yep, seems similar. One benefit of Microsub is that you can use multiple different interfaces. Like on mobile I use Indigenous and on a desktop I use one called Monocle or Together depending on what I want to do
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[eddie] So it allows my content to follow me regardless of what app I want to use
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the_hoomanist Awesome. Is there something that, idk, I can put on digital ocean, point a domain at it, and offer to people? Like an interface for it?
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GWG the_hoomanist: There is, but it isn't easy yet. You can self-host Aperture, aaronpk's Micropub system
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the_hoomanist I'm on Aperture now and will look into that
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[eddie] I gotta head out, nice chatting with you the_hoomanist! Hope to see you around!
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[eddie] 👋 GWG
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the_hoomanist Thank you Eddie!!
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the_hoomanist One last thing before I stop bothering the world with my ignorance
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GWG the_hoomanist: No bother. We're always happy to answer questions
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the_hoomanist To the POSSE approach, everyone is on its own, right? Like if I through Zapier repost Ghost stories to "silo" websites
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the_hoomanist Is that considered POSSE?
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[tantek] what is Zapier
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Loqi Zapier is a task automation service, similar to IFTTT, with free and paid tiers https://indieweb.org/zapier
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the_hoomanist Right
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the_hoomanist So say I post a story on https://hooman.ist with podcast and full transcript and cover picture
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the_hoomanist Zapier takes it from Ghost through APIs, or via RSS, and reformats the cover picture for Instagram, taking the meta description as Insta description, and tags as Instagram tags
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the_hoomanist Then does the same to Twitter, making a twitter card. Then to LinkedIn Pulse and Facebook
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GWG POSSE is Post to your Site and Syndicate Elsewhere. How you do it is up to you. There is no standard for it
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[tantek] Oooh that's sound very cool the_hoomanist
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the_hoomanist Then goes into a subreddit and same, a maling list draft in from Markdown to HTML on Emailoctopus, etc etc
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[tantek] Well there are some guidelines and common practices, like the use of permashortlinks
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[tantek] GWG, not sure it is entirely accurate to say "there is no standard for it"
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[tantek] the_hoomanist have you setup IndieAuth on your primary site yet?
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the_hoomanist right. So, before I reshare, I pass everything on Bit.ly, and use a custom vanity url, hmnst.club/whatever
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[tantek] and tried logging into the wiki?
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GWG I meant it is not something like Microsub where there is a specification
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the_hoomanist No I have not!
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[tantek] would be great to capture what you've done with Zapier as an example / how to on the /Zapier page!
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[tantek] then that's a great place to start, setting up your IndieAuth
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GWG I agree
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GWG Documenting a good process helps others
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the_hoomanist Okay!
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the_hoomanist I never documented anything. I have a podcast production class and sometimes I show them this stuff when I get to the "Independent Creator Promotion" part
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the_hoomanist But it's pretty much me talking for 1hr
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[tantek] "documented" sounds so formal 🙂
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[tantek] the summaries you typed in above would be a great start
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[tantek] re: using Zapier to POSSE
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the_hoomanist :)
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[tantek] even if you just listed yourself as an example, and said what you did with Zapier for each POSSE destination
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[tantek] it helps others who may be considering using Zapier similarly. like a map of sorts
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the_hoomanist So https://indieweb.org/zapier
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[tantek] yes!
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[tantek] Even if you just added a plain text paragraph or list of the things you noted above that would be great
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the_hoomanist I think I 'll draft an article on my blog, and then reshare it in a wiki format
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[tantek] plenty of folks here to help format wiki pages with headings etc.
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the_hoomanist Oh nice.
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[tantek] that would be great!
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GWG I have a tendency to be formal, I admit. It's my profession.
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GWG Think of it as writing your experience and sharing it with us
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[tantek] But GWG I have never seen you in a bowtie or suit 🙂
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GWG [tantek]: I write very formal documentation at work
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the_hoomanist Sometimes I can pretend to be formal.
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the_hoomanist But that's it.
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GWG We talk about documenting processes all the time there, because no one did, then they did a massive voluntary severance, and we lost a lot of institutional knowledge
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[tantek] GWG, same. They're called W3C specs. 😂
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GWG [tantek]: Yes, I enjoy them
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the_hoomanist Hey, btw: thanks.
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the_hoomanist Now I'm gonna make small graphs and diagrams of zapier and other things for independent creators to reshare their stuff from their own source and website :D
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[tantek] Sweet!
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the_hoomanist can I include an hcard invisibly in the footer of every page? Does it make sense if I don't want to display the hcard on every page?
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GWG An h-card can be <a href="www.example.com" class="p-author h-card" />My Name</a>
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GWG It doesn't have to be a full bio
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the_hoomanist So far I generated this. But idk if makes any sense to make it invisible in the footer
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the_hoomanist <div id="hcard-Simone-Salis" class="vcard">
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the_hoomanist <img style="float:left; margin-right:4px" src="https://simonesalis.com/content/images/2018/10/simone_salis_white_background.JPG" alt="photo of " class="photo"/>
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the_hoomanist <div class="org">Hoomane, LLC</div>
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the_hoomanist <a class="url fn" href="https://simonesalis.com">Simone Salis</a>
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the_hoomanist <div class="adr">
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the_hoomanist <a class="email" href="mailto:yesreply@hoomane.org">yesreply@hoomane.org</a>
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the_hoomanist <span class="locality">Chicago</span>
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the_hoomanist ,
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the_hoomanist </div>
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the_hoomanist <span class="region">IL</span>
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the_hoomanist <span class="country-name">USA</span>
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the_hoomanist </div>
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the_hoomanist Jesus, sorry.
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the_hoomanist I didn't mean to clog the chat.
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[tantek] clearly we need to upgrade the hCard generator to support mf2 h-card 🙂
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the_hoomanist :D
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[tantek] usually doesn't make sense to include anything invisible in a footer
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the_hoomanist I added style="display: none;"
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[tantek] yeah that
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the_hoomanist for https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/ verification on homepage
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GWG the_hoomanist: As I said, you can make an h-card a link to a page that has a full h-card
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the_hoomanist Gotcha, sorry GWG, I didn't realize it when you said that.
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[tantek] better to have a small visible h-card than a large invisible h-card
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GWG the_hoomanist: I thought you might have missed it. But it seems to be your intent.
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the_hoomanist I'll do that. Small link on footer to full h-card
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GWG Not a problem.
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the_hoomanist makes more sense to me than an omnipresent h-card
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the_hoomanist Then I have to get my theme compatible with microformat2 apparently
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GWG Theme?
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the_hoomanist On Ghost
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GWG Oh.
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the_hoomanist Ugh, cloudflare makes my email look like this when parsed "https://simonesalis.com/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection#f58c9086879085998cb59d9a9a98949b90db9a8792"
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "A November Status Update of Koype" https://jacky.wtf/weblog/status-of-koype/
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[tantek] Good night Zegnat 🙂
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Loqi sweet dreams
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Zegnat This might become a trend, [tantek] :D
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sl007 good morning
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning
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jeremycherfas Hi.
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[grantcodes] Hello all
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[grantcodes] https://indieweb-directory.glitch.me/
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Loqi [grantcodes]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 13 hours, 58 minutes ago: put you h-card project in the IndieWeb team on @Glitch
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[grantcodes] I think my new thing is more or less ready to go!
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Loqi Grant Richmond
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petermolnar these are absolutely beautiful: https://blog.georgovassilis.com/2016/04/16/advanced-web-security-topics/
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[grantcodes] And sorry petermolnar I deleted you from the directory again 😛 I reset all the data
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petermolnar damn :D
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petermolnar I keep wondering why I'm not included from indiemap
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petermolnar [grantcodes]: can we name your design myspace-brutalist, or something similar?
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[grantcodes] It is actually using a "brutalist" framework
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[grantcodes] It is a thing of beauty
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petermolnar I have problems with what's labelled brutalist in webdesign
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petermolnar it really doesn't align with the architectural, bruté as concrete brutalism
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petermolnar sorry, béton brut
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petermolnar this is closer to squired geocities or something like that :D
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[grantcodes] Yes, I have seen the term used to also describe monochrome designed with no gradients or curves or anything, which I think makes more sense
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[grantcodes] But hopefully the directory can be of use if it can get a decent number of people on it
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Loqi petermolnar has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels)
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jeremycherfas [grantcodes]++ for a design of sheer deliciousness. I guess I need a larger photo. :)
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Loqi [grantcodes] has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (33 in all channels)
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Zegnat That website isn’t liked a lot by my mobile browser
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petermolnar Zegnat: is your mobile browser, by any chance, as paranoid as your desktop?
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Zegnat Not at all
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Zegnat Just whatever webview 1Password embeds in their Android app
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Zegnat Just scrolling to the form field was an absolute pain
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Zegnat Probably the webview trying to do all those animated gradients and what not.
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Zegnat Combine that with the fact you can accidentally scroll horizontally and it gets bad :P
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Zegnat Added myself to the directory :D
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Loqi good morning!
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Zegnat Aah, [grantcodes], why does my URL not end on a trailing slash? Do you remove it or did I enter it wrong?
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sknebel Zegnat: try again and see what happens?
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petermolnar it picks up the u-url in your h-card
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Zegnat Clearly it didn’t, as that should have ended in a /
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Zegnat I am now in the directory twice :D It doesn’t seem to resolve URLs
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[Vincent] [grantcodes] Just added myself, worked a treat. Nice work!
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[Vincent] [grantcodes] ++
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[schmarty] [grantcodes]++ very cool! I have been thinking of doing a similar thing for the indieweb webring!!
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[schmarty] jacky++ so much good stuff in Koype! Congrats!!
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[jgmac1106] grantcodes++
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[jgmac1106] that works so amazingly...though ned to look at my img
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[jgmac1106] figure if it is not in my h-card correctly
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[kevinmarks] Reminds me of this design from my old company in 1996 or so https://web.archive.org/web/19970220031543/http://www.mmcorp.com/
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[jgmac1106] could also argue that is an early example of a hashtag indicating meaning as well
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[jgmac1106] especially since pound sind used on hover
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[kevinmarks] The logo was made from 4 m's but meant to imply a hash (which was a computery thing long before hashtags)
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[grantcodes] [jgmac1106] Your photo looks fine to me. Perhaps it is an issue with the image proxy I am using
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aaronpk events are hard
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aaronpk all I want is an easy way to list upcoming and past events, link to blog posts from the events, and include photo albums. is that too much to ask
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gRegorLove [grantcodes] love the directory! It couldn't find my homepage h-card, unfortunately. Probably because it's inside the h-feed.
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sl007 https://contractfortheweb.org
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sl007 funfacts : Facebook and Google signed it. The link in the response mail is a 404 and contains trackable identifiers …
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[kevinmarks] Or org
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[kevinmarks] I want to register expandfortheweb.com
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[tantek] yes aaronpk events are hard 🙂
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[tantek] do you mean for yourself, or for the wiki?
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cjwillcock good morning
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aaronpk Group/public event sites in particular
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aaronpk i was actually just working on making this https://oauth.net/events/
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