#indieweb 2018-12-06
2018-12-06 UTC
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@tveastman collecting trophies https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtmyjjZVAAA4ruZ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1070082719613255682)
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kisik21 What's a good way to generate an article summary automatically? Take 1st paragraph and strip markup?
# kisik21 jgmac1106: automatically
# kisik21 I don't have enough power for machine learning algo to read my posts
# kisik21 and I don't know how to use ML anyway
# kisik21 but this is a nice idea otherwise
# kisik21 jgmac1106: some authors are doing this too...
# kisik21 looks at herself
# kisik21 I try to write so you can read the first paragraph and already have a feeling what I will talk about in next KB or two of text
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[kevinmarks] inverted pyramid style?
# kisik21 sorry, what?
# kisik21 [kevinmarks]: never heard of such thing!
# [kevinmarks] it's a journalistic method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid_(journalism)
# [kevinmarks] another approach is the 'pull quote' - after you've finished writing, look for the most striking sentence or quote and make that the summary.
# kisik21 [kevinmarks]: the inverted pyramid style seems closest to how I try to write...
# kisik21 Question. Are there Micropub clients that allow to set summary property on a post explicitly?
# kisik21 nobody said you can't send summary to the server
# kisik21 my endpoint is perfectly accepting ANY properties, and showing the ones it recognizes (or better say, options that the template recognizes) on the website
# kisik21 the problem is that there are no clients with so much customization support that it could become useful
# kisik21 except maybe some non-standard properties and clients like p3k's Teacup app
# kisik21 by the way... aaronpk: does Teacup send content fallback for servers not supporting h-ate?
# kisik21 Never tested it because I usually eat food so bland and not interesting I don't even remember what did I eat yesterday ><
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# [kevinmarks] you can configure https://inklings.io/inkstone to have a summary
# [kevinmarks] and to add arbitrary properties too
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# [kevinmarks] what is undo?
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Loqi undo is a common action you can take (often a button or menu item) to reverse the effects of the previous action, as if the action had never occurred; on the indieweb, you may want to undo a post, a deletion, or an update https://indieweb.org/undo
# [kevinmarks] undo << iOS inconsistency https://daringfireball.net/2018/12/ios_still_hasnt_gotten_undo_right
# Loqi ok, I added "iOS inconsistency https://daringfireball.net/2018/12/ios_still_hasnt_gotten_undo_right" to the "See Also" section of /undo https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54468&oldid=52361
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[jgmac1106] <-- still on family plan..and it is with Big red and it sucked as I lost my ability to first hack on Android phones...and then get the Nexus line...but the price
# kisik21 Are hamburger menus on phones good or bad? Should I avoid them? I feel like my blog needs a good redesign again... My eyes bleed from the CSS monstrosity that results from adding submenus to the theme...
# kisik21 and maybe is this a question for #chat?
# [jgmac1106] [tantek] trying to convince @groter that if Mozilla memberships become a thing "give -a-domain" should be a project or it would be a cool fundraiser Sally Struthers style
# [jgmac1106] no -dev, going there now
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# [jgmac1106] Anyone up for a 6-word memoir p-note in your h-card challenge tomorrow? Simple but super hard <p class="p-note">six words or six word phrase here</p> [eddie] @zegnat "Let the h-card Games Begin" 'Allez cuisine!
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chrisaldrich !tell kisik21 For your automatic article summary you might try scraping the og:description meta tag that many websites support. GWG has a parser in the WordPress Post Kinds plugin that does a good job of finding summary text.
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# chrisaldrich GWG: I've been noticing an issue with the parsing of the Washington Post. I'm guessing though that it's possibly an issue with the parser hitting their paywall? It's only popped up in the past month or so to my recollection.
# chrisaldrich Generally it's returning a "Found" response, but not importing any data....
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@laurenbeukes I'm old enough* to remember when the Internet seemed like freedom and play, when you could connect with likeminded weirdos in far off places, express all the strangeness in your heart. And now we're being patrolled and censored by pearl-clutching mega corps "for our own good". (twitter.com/_/status/1070586961444962305)
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sl007 Zegnat #recommendation "I just have no idea on a way that makes sense and matches our (my) principles." - this is the same for #search - I guess "centralisation" is the hardest point here regarding principles : https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/pull/9427
# sl007 Also : I just meant if we could think about some "key problems" like this which I could add to the * planning * for https://indieweb.org/2019/Vlissingen
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petermolnar (this'll be a bit random) was there ever a way to list all sites on a webring? if not, there should be. if we tread a webring as cross-sites hashtag, and provide an interface for all sites, maybe even pull feeds from those sides, that might cover a huge part of content discovery.
# petermolnar s/tread/treat
# petermolnar the problem with that approach might be that many sites have many topics, especially personal ones, but if a site is a bit more restricted to certain areas, it could work
# petermolnar alternatively, instead of a webring, it could be a microsub topic, but then the site would need to issues a reverse-follow command somehow
# petermolnar saying I want to be part of channel X
# petermolnar of course this is open to abuse
# petermolnar both of them
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# [jgmac1106] [petermolnar_] I am going to add three hashtags to my h-card, to help discovery (think. It should be people first topic second.
# [jgmac1106] But I too think a webring can help discovery or to identify groups
# petermolnar my current problem with webrings is that I can't list all the sites in them
# petermolnar now the next level (?) would be to have a 'webring' per post or topic, eg. #linux, or similar; question is though, is it needed, is it really something we want
# petermolnar ties back to the topic of archiving/library systems, from pre-defined structure to folksonomy
# petermolnar on the other hand, if it was based on machine learning, the number of labels could be limited, eliminating the human factor of random tags on a post/topic
# petermolnar am I just reinventing reddit?
# petermolnar yes
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# petermolnar the post level is dangerous, too easy to spam
# petermolnar site level is not fine grain enough, take us, with all of our content types, checkings, photos, etc
# [jgmac1106] [petermolnar_] agree discovery should be some combination of h-card and syndication or common registry of h-tags
# sl007 petermolnar : "alternatively, instead of a webring, it could be a microsub topic, but then the site would need to issues a reverse-follow command somehow" - I guess in ActivityPub it would be https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/71
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# [kevinmarks] You can always write a crawler.
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jeremycherfas Hello (again) IndieWeb. I have declared IRC bankruptcy.
# jeremycherfas I have not. I plan to carry on merrily as before.
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# kisik21 !tell chrisaldrich I need to make summaries for MY OWN articles...
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# sl007 sknebel Oh yes. I see, https://glitch.com/~steady-sundial : thankyou - btw EU council voted pro Upload Filter - only Denmark, Finland and Czechia voted against.
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# cjwillcock good morning
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# kisik21 sl007: what is Upload Filter?
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