#indieweb 2018-12-06

2018-12-06 UTC
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[tantek]
I bet a cheap mifi plan is comparable (maybe cheaper) than a family smartphone plan
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[tantek]
šŸ˜‚
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kisik21
What's a good way to generate an article summary automatically? Take 1st paragraph and strip markup?
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jgmac1106
read article, find main idea, iy is either explicit or implicit, use that
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kisik21
jgmac1106: automatically
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kisik21
I don't have enough power for machine learning algo to read my posts
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kisik21
and I don't know how to use ML anyway
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kisik21
but this is a nice idea otherwise
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jgmac1106
that is hard, you are making asssumption the author included the point in the first paragraph
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jgmac1106
ā€¦but most readers do this
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jgmac1106
they just display x first characters
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kisik21
jgmac1106: some authors are doing this too...
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kisik21
looks at herself
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kisik21
I try to write so you can read the first paragraph and already have a feeling what I will talk about in next KB or two of text
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[kevinmarks]
inverted pyramid style?
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kisik21
sorry, what?
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kisik21
[kevinmarks]: never heard of such thing!
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[kevinmarks]
another approach is the 'pull quote' - after you've finished writing, look for the most striking sentence or quote and make that the summary.
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kisik21
[kevinmarks]: the inverted pyramid style seems closest to how I try to write...
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jgmac1106
I teach the inverted pyramid all the time
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jgmac1106
I use the hour glass
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kisik21
Question. Are there Micropub clients that allow to set summary property on a post explicitly?
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jgmac1106
start with a vignette, get into nitty gritty, callback to vignette in conclusionā€¦but then text structure determined by purposeā€¦Venn Diagrams fro comparison pieces
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jgmac1106
p-summary
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jgmac1106
it isnā€™t the client that does it
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kisik21
nobody said you can't send summary to the server
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kisik21
my endpoint is perfectly accepting ANY properties, and showing the ones it recognizes (or better say, options that the template recognizes) on the website
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kisik21
the problem is that there are no clients with so much customization support that it could become useful
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kisik21
except maybe some non-standard properties and clients like p3k's Teacup app
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kisik21
by the way... aaronpk: does Teacup send content fallback for servers not supporting h-ate?
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kisik21
Never tested it because I usually eat food so bland and not interesting I don't even remember what did I eat yesterday ><
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jgmac1106
You might want to ask in dev or microfomatsā€¦pretty sure h-entry, h-feed, h-event, h-resume?? and h-card are the only h-* used
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[kevinmarks]
you can configure https://inklings.io/inkstone to have a summary
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[kevinmarks]
and to add arbitrary properties too
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[kevinmarks]
what is undo?
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Loqi
undo is a common action you can take (often a button or menu item) to reverse the effects of the previous action, as if the action had never occurred; on the indieweb, you may want to undo a post, a deletion, or an update https://indieweb.org/undo
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[jgmac1106]
<-- still on family plan..and it is with Big red and it sucked as I lost my ability to first hack on Android phones...and then get the Nexus line...but the price
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kisik21
Are hamburger menus on phones good or bad? Should I avoid them? I feel like my blog needs a good redesign again... My eyes bleed from the CSS monstrosity that results from adding submenus to the theme...
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kisik21
and maybe is this a question for #chat?
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[jgmac1106]
[tantek] trying to convince @groter that if Mozilla memberships become a thing "give -a-domain" should be a project or it would be a cool fundraiser Sally Struthers style
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[jgmac1106]
no -dev, going there now
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[jgmac1106]
Anyone up for a 6-word memoir p-note in your h-card challenge tomorrow? Simple but super hard <p class="p-note">six words or six word phrase here</p> [eddie] @zegnat "Let the h-card Games Begin" 'Allez cuisine!
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chrisaldrich
!tell kisik21 For your automatic article summary you might try scraping the og:description meta tag that many websites support. GWG has a parser in the WordPress Post Kinds plugin that does a good job of finding summary text.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
chrisaldrich: It's getting better every day.
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chrisaldrich
GWG: I've been noticing an issue with the parsing of the Washington Post. I'm guessing though that it's possibly an issue with the parser hitting their paywall? It's only popped up in the past month or so to my recollection.
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chrisaldrich
Generally it's returning a "Found" response, but not importing any data....
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@laurenbeukes
I'm old enough* to remember when the Internet seemed like freedom and play, when you could connect with likeminded weirdos in far off places, express all the strangeness in your heart. And now we're being patrolled and censored by pearl-clutching mega corps "for our own good".
(twtr.io/1mDzu3q0k55)
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel
good morning
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sl007
good morning
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sl007
Zegnat #recommendation "I just have no idea on a way that makes sense and matches our (my) principles." - this is the same for #search - I guess "centralisation" is the hardest point here regarding principles : https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/pull/9427
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Loqi
[Gargron] #9427 Add profile directory
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sl007
This is recommending per instance and just per tags.
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sl007
But it would be easy to have a centralised Firebase or other to just count the occurence of these tags per instance. So others could query instances having such user interests.
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sl007
But all of this is classical "federation" and not "decentralized" ā€¦
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sl007
Also : I just meant if we could think about some "key problems" like this which I could add to the * planning * for https://indieweb.org/2019/Vlissingen
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Zegnat
I havenā€™t been in the right mindset for ā€œthinkingā€ these last 2 weeks :(
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petermolnar
(this'll be a bit random) was there ever a way to list all sites on a webring? if not, there should be. if we tread a webring as cross-sites hashtag, and provide an interface for all sites, maybe even pull feeds from those sides, that might cover a huge part of content discovery.
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petermolnar
s/tread/treat
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petermolnar
the problem with that approach might be that many sites have many topics, especially personal ones, but if a site is a bit more restricted to certain areas, it could work
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petermolnar
alternatively, instead of a webring, it could be a microsub topic, but then the site would need to issues a reverse-follow command somehow
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petermolnar
saying I want to be part of channel X
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petermolnar
of course this is open to abuse
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petermolnar
both of them
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[jgmac1106]
[petermolnar_] I am going to add three hashtags to my h-card, to help discovery (think. It should be people first topic second.
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[jgmac1106]
But I too think a webring can help discovery or to identify groups
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petermolnar
my current problem with webrings is that I can't list all the sites in them
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sknebel
petermolnar: at least some webrings had lists of all members
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petermolnar
now the next level (?) would be to have a 'webring' per post or topic, eg. #linux, or similar; question is though, is it needed, is it really something we want
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petermolnar
ties back to the topic of archiving/library systems, from pre-defined structure to folksonomy
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petermolnar
on the other hand, if it was based on machine learning, the number of labels could be limited, eliminating the human factor of random tags on a post/topic
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petermolnar
am I just reinventing reddit?
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sknebel
that's along the lines of news.indieweb/indieweb.xyz, right?
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sknebel
feels more like reinventing the web directories of old if it is about sites not posts
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petermolnar
the post level is dangerous, too easy to spam
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petermolnar
site level is not fine grain enough, take us, with all of our content types, checkings, photos, etc
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[jgmac1106]
[petermolnar_] agree discovery should be some combination of h-card and syndication or common registry of h-tags
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sl007
petermolnar : "alternatively, instead of a webring, it could be a microsub topic, but then the site would need to issues a reverse-follow command somehow" - I guess in ActivityPub it would be https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/71
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Loqi
[rhiaro] #71 Discovery of collections/streams
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sl007
Also another question about the webring. It is visually sad that it breakes because there is no UI to go on at the n.th page
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[kevinmarks]
You can always write a crawler.
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jgmac1106
[sl007] it is still very MVP
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jeremycherfas
Hello (again) IndieWeb. I have declared IRC bankruptcy.
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GWG
Have you filed a restructuring plan?
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jeremycherfas
I have not. I plan to carry on merrily as before.
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sknebel
sl007: fairly sure schmarty was looking for help with adding verification of links etc to the indieweb webring - it's a nodejs project on Glitch
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kisik21
!tell chrisaldrich I need to make summaries for MY OWN articles...
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
kisik21: chrisaldrich left you a message 8 hours, 45 minutes ago: For your automatic article summary you might try scraping the og:description meta tag that many websites support. GWG has a parser in the WordPress Post Kinds plugin that does a good job of finding summary text.
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[tantek]
!tell [chrisaldrich] can you take discussions of "scraping" or "og:" or "meta tag" or "parser" to the dev channel please? even if someone else brings it up here, tell them you'll answer them in dev, then do so there. Thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[Chris Burnell] Thursday, 06 December 2018
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sl007
sknebel Oh yes. I see, https://glitch.com/~steady-sundial : thankyou - btw EU council voted pro Upload Filter - only Denmark, Finland and Czechia voted against.
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snarfed
morning all
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swentel
evening :)
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cjwillcock
good morning
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kisik21
sl007: what is Upload Filter?
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mblaney
loqi why you no like our photos in web chat?
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sknebel
I might have broken that
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sknebel
yep, my fault