#indieweb 2018-12-07

2018-12-07 UTC
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sknebel sort-of fixed, will take a moment for Loqi to re-scan them though
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mblaney you've got too many projects sknebel! :-D
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mblaney oh look I'm back
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sknebel nah, that's not code I maintain, I just tweaked a template on the wiki to fix one problem and caused another in the process :D
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sl007 kisik21 Upload Filters is the "EU style" to prevent "problematic content" to be published in the web. I see the simple problem that a machine and not a judge has to decide what is "problematic" - see https://edri.org/terrorist-content-regulation-civil-rights-groups-raise-major-concerns/
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kisik21 oh, this is seriously problematic
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning
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Loqi morning!
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petermolnar I thought about that idea of topic-base-webrings, found this: https://cloud.google.com/natural-language/docs/reference/rest/v1beta2/documents/classifyText with https://cloud.google.com/natural-language/docs/categories - it's a set of predefined categories, so it's a mix of machine tagging and a library system. While I still don't want google to dictate the web, this sounds like something useful for cross-site discovery
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petermolnar and because it's automated detection, the human factor of chaotic folksonomy would be reduced
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petermolnar (sidenote: I never thought a mere documentation page can be slow, Google managed to do so)
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petermolnar on the other hand... "The language hu is not supported for classify_text analysis" -.-
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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[jgmac1106] @petermolnar going to put three topical p-categories in my h-card today to help with discovery
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[jgmac1106] Maybe if enough people did [grantcodes] could add a hashtag filter to the h-card directory
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[jgmac1106] Yesterday's challenge in the h-card games... Though I award no points to [eddie] or @zegnat was a six word memour p-note
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GWG What is this...an h-card arms race?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this...an h-card arms race" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "this...an h-card arms race is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat I do not accept any of these h-card games ’til 2018 starts :P
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GWG 2018?
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[jgmac1106] Ha ha... Well you are 11 months behind
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[jgmac1106] I will keep track of the ideas.... Can make it a fun community game
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[jgmac1106] I new your internet was slow but the clocks too?
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[jgmac1106] Aren't you in Sweden? Clocks is what you do.
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GWG Isn't that Swiss?
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[jgmac1106] And I fail Geography
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[jgmac1106] Yes nobody said as "reliable as a Swedish clock"
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sl007 petermolnar - I would prevent google dictating too and recommend https://github.com/spencermountain/compromise instead. I am working on a similar thing but with limited categories (the google list is very detailed, so it needs work), my categories for now : https://gist.github.com/sebilasse/026734b33b9a1c45c46efffa95d4d783
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Loqi [spencermountain] compromise: modest natural-language processing in javascript
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat I need to check and make sure it has utility but I am going to link my p-category to a hashtag query in engine @snarfed shared
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petermolnar sl007 I agreed that G shouldn't dictate, but neither of those lists are a complete alternative, including the automatic, machine analysis
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petermolnar there is something from IBM Watson, but knowing that Tumblr is using that to flag content, and how utterly incorrect it is, I might skip that
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Zegnat Tumblr is using Watson? Wow
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Zegnat Clearly I meant 2019. Yikes.
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[jgmac1106] https://shinelikethunder.tumblr.com/post/164742806041/disconnected-thoughts-on-fandom-and-the-indieweb
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petermolnar Zegnat: trying to find the source
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petermolnar I read it in the past couple of days
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petermolnar https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18608735 - ok, it was just a random person on the internet, but given how bad Watson it, I can completely believe it
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Loqi [lmkg] > from an established enterprise tech company My first guess, based on basically nothing at all, was that this was an IBM Watson project. 0.3 seconds of Googling found that IBM has already published a case study on their website about Verizon ...
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Zegnat Interesting.
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Zegnat That “disconnected thoughts” post [jgmac1106] linked is very interesting too1
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Zegnat s/1/!/
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sknebel If I remember right Yahoo had also some publications about porn detection, they might have brought that tech with them too
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[jgmac1106] Hot dog or not hot dog?
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat be interesting for a technical response to the itches in that post
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[jgmac1106] going to dev
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sknebel thread/event possibly worth keeping an eye on: https://twitter.com/cfiesler/status/1071044926639652867
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@cfiesler The focus of this year’s #futureofspeech forum is online communities. I’ll be on a panel later this morning about the success and challenges of platforms created for specific communities. e.g., AO3 :) #foso18 https://twitter.com/cendemtech/status/1071041890915631104 (twitter.com/_/status/1071044926639652867)
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kisik21 If I provide <indie-action> buttons for posts, maybe I should do that for comments too? That feels fair
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kisik21 though they will be without counters, sadly...
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kisik21 Is ↩ better than 💬 as a symbol for "reply/comment" button?
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Zegnat kisik21, personally I identify that symbol as a “go back” symbol. That’s also how I and some other people use it at the end of footnotes to mark up the link back into the main text.
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Zegnat Of course all that symbol stuff is subjective :)
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[eddie] I use 💬 as reply/comment in my site
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kisik21 I'll temporarily use the arrow because it looks better with unCSSed buttons
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eduardm 101mocp
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aaronpk Whoa Instagram lets you post to two accounts at the same time
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gRegorLove Howdy #indieweb
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snarfed hey gRegorLove
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[relapse] Hola all. Has anyone done any investigation into combining Syndication with Notification? E.g. with Tumblr's main content you're seeing a syndicated list of posts you subscribe to, and you can immediately interact with Like, Comment, Repost (w/w'out Comment). I couldn't see anything in the Mimcrosub/ Notification specs that combined them.
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aaronpk are you describing how the interaction in a reader works?
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aaronpk see screenshots here https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader
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[relapse] Very much so. When you're reading content syndicated from other sources, being able to interact with the sources from the reader page (like, reply, repost). Is that all your work based on your thoughts or is there a standard?
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aaronpk yep that's all built into the various reader apps!
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aaronpk it's a combination of several specs. I believe that post goes into the details
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[relapse] Magnificent, thank you.
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[relapse] *reads* PHP to Static HTML, delightful. Fast.
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[jgmac1106] [relapse] I want record one for the Tumblr crowd... Using bunch of art but here is a quick mobile video I made https://youtu.be/gwECN4uVuHg
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