#indieweb 2018-12-12

2018-12-12 UTC
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kisik21 I think Twitter lowers my tweets in search when I'm constantly linking to my site
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kisik21 set brid.gy to omit links if content is not truncated.
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hello zegnat. Working nights still?
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Zegnat No. We’ve survived the new major release so we’re back to normal working hours
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jeremycherfas I don't think I tracked where it is you are working, if you can say.
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Zegnat See -chat :D
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kisik21 do I need to be able to search peopletags on my site? I usually provide /tags/tag for #hashtags, do I need to do that for #@peopletags?
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[jgmac1106] this might be -dev but you could use rel links for people tags. Or add a p-category but it seems redundant if each person is an h-card...possible group people by p-category. I do that now
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/gbrockell/status/1072589687489998848?s=19
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@gbrockell An open letter to @Facebook, @Twitter, @Instagram and @Experian regarding algorithms and my son's birth: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuKaf8QW4AAyWOW.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1072589687489998848)
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[jgmac1106] Good morning all
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sknebel good morning
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sknebel kisik21: don't think that's expected, so no "need"
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Zegnat Interesting idea though!
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Zegnat “Show me a feed of posts that mention @martijnvdven” might be just as interesting as “show me a feed of posts that are tagged #indieweb”
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[jgmac1106] https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=001473925626342383772:izm-5gxypp4
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[jgmac1106] ahhh can't link to search results: just search for your name
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[eddie] Hmm I have personally thought about “person-tag” pages lately. Facebook allows you to show the “relationship page” between two people and it shows all the common posts between them
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[eddie] I’ve thought it would be nice to be able to do the same thing
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[eddie] Mostly for my benefit but it could be useful for others too
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Zegnat If we’re talking public posts, I am not sure what the reason is for keeping that page secret. Useful or not.
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Zegnat is known to over-share though
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[eddie] Wait did someone mention keeping it secret? I feel like I missed something?
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Zegnat Just going on from your “it could be useful for others too”
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[eddie] Ohhhh gotcha 😁
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Zegnat I just meant it as in: if you are building it for your own benefit, there is no reason to make it only viewable by yourself :)
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[eddie] Yeah, I feel like public posts should probably be fine. The only thing where I start to wonder is if I am checking in places and tagging who is with me
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[jgmac1106] Didn't [sebsel] kind of handle this with his 2 degree s away of likes graph
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[eddie] Currently you could find that post if you know where to look on my site, but a relationship page would potentially show every public checkin of where you and that person have been
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Zegnat right, hmm
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[eddie] Although I do think it would also be useful to allow a person to authenticate the page with IndieAuth (or AutoAuth) and see all the private posts as well
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[jgmac1106] I want to add a simple counter one day to my follower page just not in number of replies, mentions, likes from each person with a two way follow relarionship
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[jgmac1106] Note*
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[eddie] Ohhh that’s interesting jgmac1106
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[jgmac1106] Yeah mainly bc I get too many mentions on Twitter my generic mention page becomes a mess... I leave ton unapproved
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[jgmac1106] Wrote up basic CSS prototype with a hover effect so go over avatar see strength of our connection
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[eddie] Seems like a situation where an “accepted connection” list would come in handy. Anyone you’ve allowed a response from or follow could be displayed automatically
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[eddie] In this vein: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/11/03/17/article/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] Thinking through the IWC Berlin displaying responses session
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[eddie] But for your mentions page rather than on a post response, which is an interesting use case
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[jgmac1106] I think I discuss the use case in that article
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[jgmac1106] Why I also dream about an opt in IndieWeb search engine
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[jgmac1106] Tables based on h-*
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[jgmac1106] Followed by post type
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[jgmac1106] So search for any place both Essie and Greg checked into
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[eddie] That could be very interesting but also potentially very creepy
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[jgmac1106] Oops thought we were in dev
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[jgmac1106] This opt in
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[jgmac1106] You sign in with Indieauth choose what gets scraped
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[eddie] Yeah, but would you be possible to opt in to say mentions in text and articles but not checkins? I feel like that’s a different level than... ohh okay. Yeah choosing what types of posts get scraped would work
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[jgmac1106] Writing in my next grant. My #IndieWeb web as your LMS needs it
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[kevinmarks] HWC London starts later than I expected
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[kevinmarks] I was expecting 6pm not 7pm.
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[jgmac1106] If there is any remote option happy to drop in. No New Haven events until next semester.
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[jgmac1106] Actually [chrisaldrich] [gRegorLove] @gwg [arush] anyone up for vHWC tonight
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[kevinmarks] it's in a hotel bar, iirc the Wifi was good so could try
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[jgmac1106] No worries, will have drink in honor
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Loqi [indienews/de] New post: "Mein Indieview für Deutschlandradio Kultur (@breitband)" https://notiz.blog/2015/05/03/mein-indieview-fuer-deutschlandradio-kultur-breitband/
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] [aaronpk] all the wikipedia proposals are in...now wait and see what makes the first cut
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[tantek] ooh exciting!
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[tantek] Re: person-tag pages - YES!
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[tantek] jgmac1106++
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (88 in all channels)
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[tantek] Flickr used to have good archive pages for these
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caitlin1 hey
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[tantek] welcome caitlin1!
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[tantek] what is a person-tag
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tagging action by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name, autocompleted or not https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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[tantek] Example of Flickr page of person-tagged posts, my photos where I (or someone else?) person-tagged aaronpk: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/people/aaronpk
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[tantek] Eddie, Zegnat, kisik21 is that ^^^ kinda what you're talking about re: "peopletags on my site" ?
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[eddie] Yep, exactly
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[eddie] You could do it like that, you could also take inspiration from Facebook and show any webmentions that the person has sent to you (so it would show both all the stuff you have sent to that person and all the stuff that person has sent to you)
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[eddie] That would obviously make it a little more than "just a person tag page", because a webmention from that person isn't a person tag. I would probably approach it more like an interactions page with all interactions with a person, person tags being one type of interaction
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[tantek] I think both could be useful, and they're different
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[tantek] I like the Flickr version because it is very simple, direct, clear what it is doing
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GWG jgmac1106, I probably am
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GWG jgmac1106, when?
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[kevinmarks] Hi
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[kevinmarks] Heading to hwc London
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alexmingoia I come across mf2 feeds that have things like checkins, bookmarks, or replies but don't include any of the content, just a URL. Should readers/microsub servers be crawling those references to pull in the additional data? For example, a feed with a post that has u-bookmark-of that's just a URL. No title, no content, no author info. But on the permalink page of the post they include all that.
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alexmingoia A good example of this is https://vincentp.me/, his home feed has things like checkins but most of the content is on the individual post pages.
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snarfed alexmingoia: microsub doesn't dictate presentation, so readers can do whatever they want, but that sounds like a good idea
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alexmingoia Hmm... yeah. y
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[eddie] I believe the long term goal is for Microsub servers to provide the context of things like bookmarks and replies, but since they are still in the early stages, they don't yet
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alexmingoia It's a lot of extra work for consumers. It'd be really convenient if there was a just a single firehouse JSON feed of everything, from a technical perspective.
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alexmingoia Or at least a proposed standard for identifying a firehouse feed.
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sknebel -> dev-channel :)
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alexmingoia Ah... my bad.
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doubleloop Hello from HWC London!
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[eddie] !tell tantek I documented differences between an interactions page and a person tag page on the wiki. Feel free to add any further thoughts you have on those pages
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell eddie WDYT of Flickr's terminology "Photos of" as compared to "person tag page"? They're not quite the same obv (just photos vs all posts), yet the former feels more accessible / understandable.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [tantek]: [eddie] left you a message 14 minutes ago: I documented differences between an interactions page and a person tag page on the wiki. Feel free to add any further thoughts you have on those pages
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[eddie] Yeah that's tough, because I feel like Photos of is accurate for Flickr but not other potential use cases. Person tag page isn't the best, but I'm wondering if there is a third more accessible and accurate page
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[eddie] That said, I'm fine if someone wants to move or rename the page, just wanted to make sure we got the info down 😄
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Loqi [eddie]: [tantek] left you a message 1 minute ago: WDYT of Flickr's terminology "Photos of" as compared to "person tag page"? They're not quite the same obv (just photos vs all posts), yet the former feels more accessible / understandable.
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Loqi [eddie]: [tantek] left you a message 1 minute ago: WDYT of Flickr's terminology "Photos of" as compared to "person tag page"? They're not quite the same obv (just photos vs all posts), yet the former feels more accessible / understandable.
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[jgmac1106] For scholars from underrepresented peoples or anyone across a field outside the US...awesome fellowship chance http://www.digitalpedagogylab.com/attend-digital-pedagogy-lab-as-a-2019-fellow/
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[tantek] !tell Eddie at least Flickr and FB support a "Photos of" view/page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] Yeah, photo of can totally be a thing. Absolutely no contest about that. But it can’t define what I’m doing because I’m working with more than just photos.
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Loqi [eddie]: [tantek] left you a message 22 minutes ago: at least Flickr and FB support a "Photos of" view/page
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[eddie] Really what I’m doing can be found on the interactions page. I have no issue if you want to rename the person tag page to photos of or some similar term. I don’t think they are technically equivalent, but it’s not a big deal until someone builds one
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[tantek] "with" or interactions are overlapping but different from "photos of"
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[kevinmarks] Is this rel=met or can the with be virtual?
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