#indieweb 2018-12-13
2018-12-13 UTC
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# [jgmac1106] is there xfn for checkin posts for with can you just <data class="p-category" value="with">h-card</
# [jgmac1106] logical
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# [jgmac1106] I am submitting a letter of intent to apply for Mozilla's ethics in Computer Science challenge. Going to convert an unused planetarium into VR recording studio
# [jgmac1106] Comps I students will have to write and complete case studies... What ethical situations would you include?
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# [jgmac1106] The timing of these friction and frictionless stories seems almost coordinated, sure it's the zeitgeist but it's everywhere
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/12/12/28/note/
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# kisik21 The syndication to Twitter works so smoothly that sometimes I don
# kisik21 don't even notice the magic
# kisik21 one of my replies was syndicated to Twitter so smoothly I haven't even noticed anything
# kisik21 bridgy is the best thing that ever existed
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# petermolnar sounds like a .well-known is needed for person-tag /me ducks and yes, it's sarcasm
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# kisik21 I think I need micropub IRC bot
# kisik21 that would post notes over Micropub via IRC
# kisik21 aaronpk: you use an IRC bot to deliver notifications, I think you know some stuff about IRC... Is my idea - an IRC->micropub bridge - sane enough?
# kisik21 also considering telegram->micropub bot by the way
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# [jgmac1106] Better than a well-actually [petermolnar_]
# [jgmac1106] @kisik21 are you in the chatbot wki slack group? Botwiki.org
# sknebel kisik21: https://github.com/aaronpk/TikTokBot - and two blogposts about it: https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2017/8/4/ https://seblog.nl/2017/08/19/6/micropub-irc-bot
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# [jgmac1106] [sknebel] why would someone syndicate from IRC to Tim Tok? I love both but don't see use case.
# [jgmac1106] Tik Tok? Stupid autocorrect
# [jgmac1106] Nvm just common name
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# [jgmac1106] Ha ha... Been loving TikTok... It's the new stupid things white people do Vine like app
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# jeremycherfas Good morning, again, IndieWeb
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# jeremycherfas After a week of intense work-for-hire I'm hoping to carve out some IndieWeb time this afternoon to look again at presenting geodata on my site.
# jeremycherfas Yup. See you later in #dev, most probably.
# jeremycherfas I have routes, from trails.io and want to see whether I can add place markers tied to photos.
# jeremycherfas I'm also interested in trying to see whether I can make use of aaronpk's Quartz.DB to store geo files.
# jeremycherfas I'm happier to decide where I am myself.
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# jeremycherfas I'm less interested in checkins than in recording my perambulations, and I know where those are.
# jeremycherfas That could come later. But I'm really not all that interested in where a ost was made, and if a post is about a place, that's enough. If I write about Prague, that's what is salient, not where I wrote it. For me.
# jeremycherfas I'm by no means against it.
# [jgmac1106] <data class="p-category" value ="50.0755° N, 14.4378° E">Prague</data>??
# [jgmac1106] Trip pagination is an interesting idea... Not that I could do it but I love that Google Photos does it for me automatically
# [jgmac1106] Yeah that would work. Simple best
# [jgmac1106] If geodata different than house... Auto tag until you return. That becomes trip series
# [jgmac1106] The start and stop of a trip would be geofenced... I lose geodata reliability when I dip below 4g
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# [jgmac1106] Yeah I am talking about a trip series not just location data. Any post between Time A wehn I depart place X to Time B when I return the place X
# [jgmac1106] My only issue is seeing how much location data gets sucked up and sold by other apps. Would have to keep my phone pretty whitelisted
# [jgmac1106] Like empty of apps and accept Google gets it all... Or switch to G Suite for good location security
# [jgmac1106] Better. But having location services is on is all it really takes
# [jgmac1106] It's not me having it. That is easy to solve. Google knows when I blow my nose.... It's everyone else having it if you leave location services on
# [jgmac1106] Wondering what he can do with his old hiking GPS toys......
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# [jgmac1106] Your Google history has it all. You could Pesos photos... manually from Google Maps.
# kisik21 good morning IndieWeb
# kisik21 was my blog down recently? I think I had an electricity outage
# [jgmac1106] Morning
# kisik21 just returned from college and found my PC offline
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# jgmac1106 I understand, I am talking about this: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html?module=inline, I mean doing Takeout without offering up the Buffet
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Blog Engines and Indieweb Controlling Upstream" https://ramblinggit.com/2018/12/blog-engines-and-indieweb-controlling-upstream/
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# jgmac1106 [schmarty] this is why IndieWeb rings need webmention badges: https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1073204747224711169
# @jgmac1106 I love love using h-feed. Don't get me wrong RSS is awesome... For consuming.. No fun when writing. Now with h-feed I stick a few classes and HTML and done. It's in your reader. RSS I have to redo the post in an xml feed or teach myself some automation… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/13/i-love-love-using-h-feed-dont-get (twitter.com/_/status/1073204747224711169)
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# [jgmac1106] tonz++
# [jgmac1106] for being so generous with my class; I love seeing your webmentions hit our comment feed: http://edu106class.networkedlearningcollaborative.com/feeds.html
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# [jgmac1106] [tantek] did you originally post the Mozilla Responsibility in CS Challenge here: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/mozillaethicschallenge.html I can't remember if you invited people to apply
# Loqi [Lisa Lancor] Responsible CS Challenge https://assets.mofoprod.net/network/images/hero-cs-challenge2x.original.jpg
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# chrisaldrich good morning indieweb
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# chrisaldrich Facebook has cut down on their API access breaking brid.gy backfeeding, but it still does notifications via email. I'm curious if anyone had thought of building something that does webmention via email.
# chrisaldrich Then one could create a switchboard to take incoming email and create backfeed.
# chrisaldrich An awfully circuitous route, but it might work. Something similar to GWG's Postmatic email tool and this comment via Jon Udell: https://blog.jonudell.net/2018/12/02/wheres-my-net-dashboard/#comment-495949
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# chrisaldrich GWG: I think that's why I never started using it... the money for the functionality didn't seem that valuable to me. I'd rather donate it to your efforts instead.... :)
# chrisaldrich come to think of it, where is your payment page?
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# chrisaldrich GWG: I'm going to try to attend at least 2 IWC's next year... and there's one potential NYC event I may go to in early 2019.
# chrisaldrich GWG: we should also record something this week if you have time. Would be worth talking about WP 5.0 and it's effects for those who aren't following all the threads.
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# chrisaldrich I could probably pull off tonight... would it let us make the newsletter for Friday afternoon.
# chrisaldrich [eddie] It's all down to GWG's genius in editing and post production. I can't claim any credit on the hardest part of getting it out.
# chrisaldrich GWG++ incidentally for recent changes to his homepage!
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# [kevinmarks] Would my unmung changes to improve mastodon atom to h-feed conversion count for today?
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# [kevinmarks] I can write a post
# snarfed kisik21: re your site's downtime, consider something like https://www.pingdom.com/ , good service with a free tier
# [jgmac1106] the wiki sent me a badge: https://jgregorymcverry.com/badges/
# snarfed wow https://www.instagram.com/accounts/access_tool/ is pretty interesting. i expect GDPR-inspired.
# [jgmac1106] yeah but it would be too much to have one page per badge, could I nest an h-entry in an h-entry so I could make a recipients section?
# [jgmac1106] that would be a dev answer though
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# [cleverdevil] Not sure how long it’ll last, but I’m enjoying it while I can 😀
# [cleverdevil] I’ve been using the private Instagram API for about a month and a half now to generate an h-feed of my timeline that I subscribe to in Aperture.
# [cleverdevil] I don’t post to Instagram anymore. Haven’t for years. I just still want to follow some people. That said, if they get wise to my trickery, I’ll likely just delete my account.
# [cleverdevil] I had a reason...... but I can’t remember 😀
# [kevinmarks] Photos aren't in the h-feed now on mastodon (missing a u-photo, not in content) but they are in the atom feed as enclosures
# [kevinmarks] I made unmung parse the enclosures and the mastodon specific rel=avatar" links
# [jgmac1106] !tell chrisalrich let me know if you get a wemention badge from the wiki
# [jgmac1106] oops
# [jgmac1106] !tell chrisaldrich let me know if you get a webmention badge from the wiki
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# chrisaldrich jgmac1106 I did get it here: https://boffosocko.com/mentions/#comment-187958
# chrisaldrich sadly no actual photo version of the badge though... 😭
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# chrisaldrich I also had to change it from a mention to a "reply" within WordPress to display something besides a facepiled blank avatar
# chrisaldrich it's a start...
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# alexmingoia Is there any interest in a combined reading/blogging app? Imagine Twitter or Mastodon as the UI, and the API exposing a microsub/micropub/webmention/indieauth endpoint. Hosted or self-hosted.
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# alexmingoia What software fits that bill? micro.blog has no reader interface.
# alexmingoia It does? When I signed up I didn't see a way to type in aaronparecki.com and have it follow you.
# alexmingoia How do I follow people on micro.blog?
# alexmingoia Ah, well that doesn't fit the bill at all.
# alexmingoia That's a silo.
# alexmingoia Right now, to get setup, I need to find a microsub server, a microsub app, a micropub app, and a blog software that supports microformats and micropub
# alexmingoia What CMS do you use?
# [kevinmarks] Mastodon << reasons https://todon.nl/@Galdrakinn/101234887962339702
# Loqi ok, I added "reasons https://todon.nl/@Galdrakinn/101234887962339702" to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54671&oldid=54244
# [kevinmarks] woodwind provided it first RIP
# [jgmac1106] right now I am experimenting with a few flat pages https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me and doing everythign else on Known https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
# [kevinmarks] you could add a new post field at the top the way twitter/fb do though
# [jgmac1106] I am migrating from WordPress....just waiting for classes to end bc everyone follows me there...but using tools built and supported by other community members I get a pretty seamless experience
# [jgmac1106] [aaronpk] most of the code is still there
# [kevinmarks] mastodon having it on the left is less obvious
# [jgmac1106] yeah I connect my Known to mastodon, through micro.blog.
# [kevinmarks] ah, monocle doesn't work with my micropub, so I haven't seen that. I need to build a micropub proxy so it works with the known version
# [kevinmarks] I'm not arguing against that, but several of the microsub clients are very fussy about you having all the things
# [kevinmarks] It's hosted known so I need Ben to do that. installing my own known is more work.
# [kevinmarks] also Known has abandoned POSSE, so my itch is re-enabling that
# [kevinmarks] my known still works with quill, just not monocle etc
# [kevinmarks] I think he just needs to update to head, as others are using known with monocle
# [jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] by abandoning POSSE isn't in core, you just add the bridgy and twitter plugin
# [jgmac1106] I did have to change my htaccess file [kevinmarks] for it to work
# [kevinmarks] I am on the Known equivalent of wordpress.com (it was dogfooding at the time)
# [jgmac1106] yeah...I was in between you as I had all the paid Convoy integration
# [jgmac1106] the Known to Known export doesn't work either
# [jgmac1106] I still say the micropub migration tool....that is what the world needs
# [kevinmarks] spiderpig to micropub gateway
# [jgmac1106] I just think Simpsons, have no idea what you just said there
# [kevinmarks] what is spiderpig?
# Loqi Spiderpig is a web crawler for archiving a website as static HTML files https://indieweb.org/Spiderpig
# [jgmac1106] just wrote this a grant application deliverable: Integrated reading and writing environment for teacher and the students.
# [kevinmarks] glitch.com on train wifi is not good
# [jgmac1106] train wifi is not good....well this side of the pond
# [kevinmarks] trying tethered to my phone but I think we're in a tunnel
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# [kevinmarks] Well I have micropub with indieauth.com auth, though that is just email now
# [kevinmarks] So I need to do my own auth endpoint I suppose
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# kisik21 heeey, we have badges! I want a badge, how can I get a badge?!
# kisik21 [jgmac1106]: how did you get a badge?!
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# chrisaldrich What are badges?
# chrisaldrich What are buttons?
# kisik21 ahem
# Loqi A badge (AKA achievement) is a visual indicator of completing some sort of accomplishment, usually associated with completing specific tasks within a system that is frequently recognized as "achievement unlocked", or "you unlocked the xyz badge!" https://indieweb.org/badges
# kisik21 who is kisik21
# Loqi A trans-person and a clueless amateur coder. Doesn't like her look and uses an anime-styled avatar instead https://indieweb.org/User:Fireburn.ru
# kisik21 I am in chatnames, jgmac1106
# [jgmac1106] one sec
# chrisaldrich kisik21 there are some fun little old school buttons on that page ^^
# chrisaldrich jgmac1106, did you finish off the button sending piece?
# chrisaldrich er.. badge I meant....
# kisik21 chrisaldrich: I know, just no place to insert them because my layout doesn't have a footer!
# kisik21 (it's actually half-baked for infinite scroll stuff, I just haven't done it yet
# kisik21 (and I don't think I'll do it)
# chrisaldrich Is that a design feature or flaw? ;)
# kisik21 chrisaldrich: haven't decided on it yet!
# kisik21 by the way, chrisaldrich, here's a question: why all of your likes come through your Twitter account instead of directly from your website?
# [jgmac1106] check your webmentions @kisik21
# kisik21 [jgmac1106]: nothing for now!
# kisik21 aaany second now...
# kisik21 I'm still depending on webmention.io for this stuff
# chrisaldrich kisik21 I vary my likes depending on their value to me and for ease of sending. Some originate from Twitter and then get PESOSd others are from my own site and then POSSEd... depends on my mood I suppose.
# chrisaldrich sometimes it depends on which reader I'm using too.
# [jgmac1106] it is quite hacky, but website to website pin, button, badge, credential, is doable
# kisik21 [jgmac1106]: let's say I've got a webmention. Now what?
# kisik21 do I need to show it somewhere?
# [jgmac1106] does Bridgy Trump your webmention [chrisaldrich] or should @kisik21 get two
# kisik21 [jgmac1106]: chrisaldrich: I usually get only one and it's clearly from Twitter
# [jgmac1106] @kisik21 many people make a page for their generic webmentions boffosocko.com/mentions
# chrisaldrich aaronpk was talking with a few earlier today in #meta(?) about programattically weeding out additional syndicated webmentions.
# [jgmac1106] for this little badging experiment I made a page called badges on my site and sent the u-reply-of to there
# chrisaldrich I suppose I most often PESOS likes from Twitter and typically keep copies of them on my back end and don't publish them publicly on my own site.
# [jgmac1106] but you will need to figure out how you will want to display webmentions directly to your url and not a post
# chrisaldrich More often I use twitter likes as bookmarks and I keep those on my site for reading later.
# chrisaldrich Hobbling off to a meeting. Be back later this evening...
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# mblaney alexmingoia my website works the way you've described. you're welcome to log in and try it: https://unicyclic.com
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