#indieweb 2018-12-14

2018-12-14 UTC
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mblaney ^ I'm currently adding channels to my reader. Really want to get it done before the holidays but feel my time running out...
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kisik21 mblaney: can't log in with indieauth
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mblaney thanks kisik21 looks like I broke it recently :-/ just fixed it, mind trying again?
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kisik21 mblaney: should it only request the create scope?
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mblaney kisik21 at the moment that's all it asks for, but definitely could do with some improvements there.
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kisik21 can anyone try to log in @ fireburn.ru to test my indieauth client implementation? No strings attached, I promise! Just hit the login button in the menu, enter your domain name and press enter!
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kisik21 I know, I don't have a button, the template for the log in page was cobbled up in 2 minutes for testing
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kisik21 and you can't log out yet, clear your cookies
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aaronpk i am logged in!
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kisik21 yay, it works!
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kisik21 aaronpk, thanks for testing this! I'm wondering what can I do now when you're logged in...
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kisik21 maybe make some unlisted posts only for logged in people?
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aaronpk that'd be a great one for sure
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mblaney kisik21 I get Bad Request 'authorization_endpoint'
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kisik21 mblaney: <link rel="authorization_endpoint"> is the only way I parse auth endpoints for now. Do you use a Link: HTTP header?
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mblaney aaah no worries yes I use HTTP headers
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kisik21 it would be nice for better interoperation to also advertise your endpoint in your HTML
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mblaney true, I will think about adding them
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kisik21 can I safely assume in the indieauth flow that one domain is only owned by one user?
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aaronpk no
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kisik21 well, that's kinda sad
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aaronpk you can assume one indieauth URL is owned by one user
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aaronpk but the URL can have a path
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kisik21 so I need to factor this path in the identity ID, right?
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aaronpk yes, at the end of the indieauth flow the server tells you the full identity URL
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kisik21 I thought that maybe I can be lazy and just strip the domain out and use it
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[tantek] you can make that your own personal policy if you wish, that is if the domain has a path component you can reject them
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kisik21 can I hash this "me" URL and use a hash? i.e. can I assume that it won't change a single bit between two different auth attempts by the same user?
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kisik21 [tantek]: I don't wanna exclude people
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kisik21 this is unfair
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kisik21 not everybody is as lucky as me to have their own domain!
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[tantek] kisik21, right, it's your site, you set the policy
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[tantek] yes
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kisik21 but I don't wanna show unlisted posts to users from commentpara.de - that would be my policy!
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[tantek] why a hash? it'll likely be much longer and less readable than their URL
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kisik21 internal identifiers, won't be shown to users
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aaronpk kisik21: correct, the URL won't change between attemps for the same user. however it gets trickier when you want to handle the case when someone changes their site from http to https. but storing a hash won't affect that really.
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[tantek] I still see no benefit of a hash over a URL string
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kisik21 could just strip scheme out before hashing. And you should have HTTPS from day 0 if you wanna use IndieAuth, right? Haven;t seen anyone using IndieAuth with HTTP - it's as insecure as no authentication anyway
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[tantek] seems like extra work for no benefit
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kisik21 [tantek]: you can't use an url as a filename in the file system
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aaronpk you almost can, but there are a bunch of nasty edge case
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aaronpk s
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[tantek] or rather you certainly shouldn't without being very careful
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[kevinmarks] I use indieauth with http
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[tantek] kisik21 there's some work to do so with paths in I think personal archive
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aaronpk mainly that you can't store both "example.com/foo" and "example.com/foo/bar"
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[tantek] [kevinmarks] yes WFM too
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aaronpk because in one case "foo" needs to be a file and in another a directory
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kisik21 you can if you use an index file like web servers do
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aaronpk ran head first into this wall in the previous iteration of his website
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kisik21 p3k v1?
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aaronpk yea
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aaronpk if you use an index file then you run into the limitation of "example.com/foo" vs "example.com/foo/" being two different URLs but being unable to represent that on disk
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kisik21 just had the thought about this
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kisik21 ran into the / on the end problem when displaying webmentions
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aaronpk basically i decided it's not worth the hoops you have to go through to try to store URLs on disk
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kisik21 lump that into one big JSON file/database?
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kisik21 I use json files as primary storage for pyindieblog
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kisik21 no db, no pickled files, just json and filesystem
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kisik21 works so far
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kisik21 okay, next question! if I want to make a post for certain audience, how can I know, for example, aaronpk's "me" URL? so I could write that @aaronpk should see this post, and aaronpk would see it when logged into my site
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kisik21 maybe this is more for #dev i don't know
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aaronpk how do you know what my URL is right now?
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kisik21 um, you... may have told me? by the way, I can't see your cookies right now and I don't think I log successful indielogin attempts, so I can't know for sure what is in your cookie
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[tantek] what is a database
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Loqi A database is software and or storage accessed via the software for storing data in a structured way, used by some indieweb projects https://indieweb.org/database
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[tantek] database << Category:jargon
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Category:jargon]]" to the "See Also" section of /database https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54679&oldid=13527
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[tantek] JSON << Category:jargon
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Category:jargon]]" to the "See Also" section of /JSON https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54680&oldid=52386
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aaronpk if you know what my URL is then you can add that as the audience of the post. if you don't know what my URL is then you need to find out somehow, but that is a very human problem.
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[tantek] what is pyindieblog
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pyindieblog" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pyindieblog is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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kisik21 this is a page for me
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kisik21 pyindieblog is an in-development blogging engine with support for sideblogs made by {{kisik21}}
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk what is a sideblog?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sideblog" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "sideblog is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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kisik21 sideblog is an auxiliary blog to segregate content and some parts of personal life. Sideblogs can be anonymous or can be tied explicitly to an author.
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Loqi ok
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kisik21 I wanna add tumblr to silo examples
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kisik21 added
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[jgmac1106] I was trying to finish my h-feed podcast/archive.org tutorial but it seems ability to add items to existing files doesn't work, in both ff and chrome the classic editor upload button doesn't do anything...ohh well will save it for another day
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[jgmac1106] think it was the Flash button, I should have to authorize flash on a site
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chrisaldrich If there's a category called jargon, does that mean we're moving towards wiring Loqi up to start nudging people who use jargon words into #dev?
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[tantek] -> meta
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jacky been reading up on AutoAuth; loooks pretty cool!
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jeremycherfas Iā€™m intrigued. What is the non-jargon word(s) for database?
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jeremycherfas What is jargon?
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Loqi jargon is a specific unobvious word, concept, or technology (like Webmention), or re-use of a word to mean something other than its common meaning (like feed), or sometimes re-using a word as an acronym (like POSSE) https://indieweb.org/jargon
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jeremycherfas I see ...
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jeremycherfas Thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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kisik21 Try to login on https://fireburn.ru - you should see a little surprise there!
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Loqi Vika
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kisik21 on the home page, I mean
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kisik21 soooo... I have unlisted and private posts now
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kisik21 what should I do next?
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kisik21 Is there some software that publishes follow-of posts?
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[Vincent] morning indieweb
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kisik21 morning
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aaronpk Good morning!
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aaronpk I really need to add block/mute functionality into Aperture now. There's a spam blog that keeps posting copies of the same article that links to me.
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aaronpk I want to block the entire domain from everything
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi *yawn* ... /stretch/
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[kevinmarks] http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/skimmed
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[grantcodes] Ha aaronpk: I've added blocking to together even though I don't think there are any servers that support it yet
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aaronpk Yeah I have the buttons ready in Monocle too
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[jgmac1106] finished a tutorial on how to hoat your podcasts on archive.org
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snarfed kisik21: bridgy fed publishes follow-of posts!
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snarfed people have also requested them in bridgy, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/550
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Loqi [rhiaro] #550 POSSE following/friending someone new
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snarfed chrisaldrich++ oh man facebook backfeed from email notifications might actually be possible. https://snarfed.org/fb_email_comment.png , https://snarfed.org/fb_email_like.png
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