#indieweb 2019-02-08

2019-02-08 UTC
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[eddie] It’s 48F here, and it’s warm for us 😔
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Zegnat !calc -12 celsius too fahrenheit
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Loqi I'm sorry, I can't do that
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Zegnat !calc -12 celsius to fahrenheit
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Loqi 10.4 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)
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Zegnat That was earlier this week though. Walking to the office today I think we’re at a measly 0 Celsius
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Ruxton !calc 37 celsius to fahrenheit
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Loqi 98.6 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)
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Ruxton that's Sat/Sun around here :)
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swentel wow
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swentel where are you ? :)
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Ruxton swentel: Perth, AU
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Ruxton Western Australia
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swentel oh yes, in summer right now
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swentel winter here hehe
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swentel (in Belgium)
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Zegnat This 0 degrees is annoying. All the snow turned to wet mush that sticks to everything.
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Zegnat Entrance hall to work is one big puddle
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[Vincent] It was 0 degrees in the UK at the start of the week, its now around 9 degrees, which is warm enough for north of the wall here
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Ruxton on the flip, there was insane bush fires near my place yesterday :)
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Ruxton https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-07/emergency-warning-issued-forrestdale-bushfire-school-evacuated/10790884
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[tantek] -> chat
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jgmac1106 Good morning
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Loqi greetings human
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GWG Hello, jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 Mornign David
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sknebel since the proposed "organizer" property for events came up yesterday - would people expect that to replace author (which mf2 doesn't know for events) for events entirely?
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sknebel e.g. in your reader, would you expect "eddie and greg are announcing IWC Online", without there being e.g. eddie as the author of the feed the reader pulled it from?
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Zegnat I think they mean two different things. Author just happens to be whoever posted the event to the feed. Which does not have to be the people in charge of an event at all
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aaronpk Upcoming is an example of this
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aaronpk most events there are created not by the organizer
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sknebel guess other question is: does any tooling, e.g. your reader chain, use the author of an event post in practice?
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[jgmac1106] who is going to lose sleep if either an author or organizer doesn't parse on an event post...not me
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aaronpk I need to work on better presentation of events in Monocle. I don't know what it does right now actually
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sknebel (i.e. if people publish and consume author, we should probably track it at least as a draft property :D)
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sknebel and yes, my initial question was mostly presentation
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aaronpk Time to start collecting examples I guess?
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aaronpk Pretty sure events on my site have myself as the author
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[jgmac1106] here is a Known event I demoed for someone, but has no field for organizer so only has me as author: http://knowndemo.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/virtual-connecting-session-one
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sknebel yeah, even tantek has author on h-events
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[jgmac1106] it is a post it has an author, and events have organizers that maybe a person or a p-organization
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[jgmac1106] this convo is split between here and microfromats
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Zegnat I did not want to put my very mf2-ish reply in this non-jargon chat :)
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Zegnat For semantics on properties on mf2 objects: #microformats, for discussion of parsing and application in readers: #indieweb-dev
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Zegnat (This is as much a message for people reading logs, as for people who want to jump in :) )
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[jgmac1106] yeah I knew to leave just didn't know where to go, often micformats reserved for discussion of parsers and stuff but marking up microformats in dev and that was a little bit of both
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bradenslen Good Morning Indieweb
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jgmac1106 Good morning brad
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[cleverdevil] Hm, interesting, I just logged into GitHub and got a message that they've added the ability to set a current status message.
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/s/5x2gDF4MlDMAkon8kXSNm6b9Z9FUwournfePKZPOX0zuu8gX24XfiRNZAq56eEI7YypxY9dpXUeRlhHG44s03cu17BdZMfbEq2H7.png
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aaronpk next they'll add a log of all your github status messages and they'll have re-invented twitter
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[jgmac1106] [cleverdevil] yeah it feels like your status would be something set in your h-card...be fun thing to figure out how to POSSE that
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[cleverdevil] 😄
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[cleverdevil] I bet you'll be able to edit your status, though, unlike Twitter.
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[cleverdevil] Because they'll be....... versioned.
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[cleverdevil] <dealwithit.gif>
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[jgmac1106] I would just get a merge conflict between my personalities
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[cleverdevil] LOL
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/s/QnYoksfCf3NcIIznrlhLPA1NiQiBjtlh0d8feSaKfo6KWfDNFTejlDycSM7ErN3qsBIQ10mLSZOKn5QCsXGqEkk2ZaeyuwcTy2EN.png
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[cleverdevil] Interesting UX.
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[jgmac1106] and I guess if I wanted to track and follow my status overtime they would each need to be an h-entry and thus live outside the h-card...or have some database of p-category=🌴
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jacky status === note? no?
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jacky of the h-card
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: you're missing the joke ;-)
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jacky lmfaoo merge conflict with personalities
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jacky "I tried everything, doc, I rebased; fast forwarded, I even cherry picked"
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aaronpk twitter basically started as a way to keep a log of ppls AIM status updates
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jacky wait no way
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[cleverdevil] I've gotta say, it would be nice to keep my politics status updates in a branch.
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aaronpk lol
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jacky lol same
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aaronpk found it https://www.wired.com/2011/05/the-lost-origin-of-twitter/
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aaronpk and https://thenextweb.com/twitter/2011/05/18/the-inspiration-for-twitter-aols-aim/
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[jgmac1106] My AIM status updates used to be how kids followed me to find out what homework was. I would just put the days assignments as Zenith1106's status
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GWG AIM...ah, those were the days
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aaronpk and from the horse's mouth: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jackdorsey/182613360/
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aaronpk "One night in July of that year I had an idea to make a more "live" LiveJournal. Real-time, up-to-date, from the road. Akin to updating your AIM status from wherever you are, and sharing it."
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[kevinmarks] did jack use dodgeball?
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[eddie] [cleverdevil] Interestingly GitHub's status looks a LOT like Slack's status feature as well
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aaronpk dodgeball was way after 2000 wasn't it?
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[tantek] all the microformats discussions above belonged either in #microformats or if indieweb-specific use-cases, then # dev
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Zegnat Alright, did a simple friday afternoon project of adding an extra trend line to my public weight chart :D Hopefully that’ll trigger me to do some bigger IndieWeb tasks this weekend again
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jacky is anyone tracking like feed subscription count?
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jacky (it'd be nigh impossible to since you'd never know when someone unsubscribes)
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jacky unless there was a communication of it happening
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aaronpk You mean trying to determine how many people are following my feed?
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jacky yup!
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aaronpk lots of challenges there for sure
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jacky that sounds like more work than I'd care to have built out
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jacky right
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aaronpk lots of prior art in podcasting tho
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aaronpk since podcast ads live off of listener count
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jacky ahh true
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aaronpk short answer is there isn't a way to get a real number, but you can estimate based on Things
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jacky lol as with most things
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jacky that's actually good enough for me
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Zegnat Things are best discussed in dev ;)
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aaronpk yes :-)
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jacky this is dev-y?
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aaronpk The specifics are
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Zegnat My answer is, haha
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[tantek] jacky, AFAIK no one is *displaying* any kind of indieweb follower/subscriber count like that, though it would be theoretically possible. and for that, I'll share in dev 🙂
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Zee Hey friends! I am new to the indieweb, @jacky is converting me.
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Zee Looking forward to spending some time at the next meetup getting zeespencer.com running with Kypo(?) for writing and publishing
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Zegnat Hi Zee! Sounds great :D
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Zegnat What is Koype?
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Loqi Koype is an open-source project that aims to provide a one-stop shop for those looking for a single-tenant Web service to own-your-data https://indieweb.org/Koype
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Zegnat I think that is the spelling you are looking for :)
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[cleverdevil] Welcome, Zee!
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and "hello, IndieWeb!"
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[tantek] Welcome Zee!
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Zee The thing I am most excited about #IndieWeb stuff, is the ability to write once, post manywhere.
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Zee I do tweet-threads pretty regularly, and would love a way to distribute that into Mastodon in a way that feels natural.
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Zee And then to aggregate it and put it on my website (or queue it as a draft for editing + posting) would be _fucking dope_
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aaronpk manywhere++ lol haven't heard that term before
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Loqi manywhere has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] that *is* a nice term
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Zee I just made it up
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Zee I release the license under creative commons, non-commercial, attribution-if-you-can
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[tantek] been around for almost 5 years at least apparently! https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/17546/using-the-hypothetical-and-non-standard-word-manywhere
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[tantek] whoa even deleted from Wiktionary over 9 years ago! https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/manywhere
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[tantek] added: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_protologisms/G%E2%80%93P#M
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Zee Dammit
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Zee Mark Twained
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jacky lol welcome!
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Zee Also I love whatever this slack alternative is.
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[tantek] what is a Slack alternative?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Slack alternative" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Slack alternative is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Slack alternative is /IRC
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Loqi ok
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Zee What is a IRC Web user interface?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IRC Web user interface" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IRC Web user interface is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zee Damn.
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Zee What is this IRC Web user Interface?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this IRC Web user Interface" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "this IRC Web user Interface is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zee Also it's dope that you can automate shit out of your wiki. My mind just got blown there.
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[tantek] this IRC Web user Interface is https://chat.indieweb.org/
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] IRC Web user interface is https://chat.indieweb.org/
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] there you go 🙂
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aaronpk What is this IRC web user interface?
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Loqi this IRC Web user Interface is https://chat.indieweb.org/ https://indieweb.org/this_IRC_Web_user_Interface
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aaronpk :-D
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jacky lol
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[tantek] What is that beautiful house?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "that beautiful house" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "that beautiful house is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] that beautiful house is /homepage
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Loqi ok
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Zee As the chat flows by
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Zee ;)
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[jgmac1106] Welcome Zee
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[jgmac1106] tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (95 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] For the power of chat demo
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