#indieweb 2019-02-09

2019-02-09 UTC
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[kevinmarks] Spotify attempting podcast enclosure: https://stratechery.com/2019/spotifys-podcast-aggregation-play/
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jacky just pushed out https://v2.jacky.wtf/dev
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jacky * https://v2.jacky.wtf/follow
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Loqi Jacky Alcine
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[tantek] jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (36 in all channels)
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jacky hmm looks like there's some broken bits with the links
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jacky I know why (some posts' internal storage don't work well)
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jacky did a backfeed of a checkin to my site: https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/3ecc8c31-35ed-40d6-9b46-a9e1f50fbf48
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Loqi [Jacky Alcine] Heading back to the crib
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jacky the mapping bit looks good; but I'll need to look into image-only forms of it
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi good morning
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petermolnar should I import my hacker news comments to my site or should I not? 🤔
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jeremycherfas Yes
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sknebel from -chat:
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sknebel for my site, right now wondering how to handle posts that have multiple language versions
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sknebel if it's worth it to have an explicit notion of "this is the same post in different languages", or just have language indication and two posts
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Zegnat I personally like “read this in X” links
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Zegnat Or, which I have also seen on some informational blogs: “this article is available in <X>, <Y>, <Z>”
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sknebel since I don't show reactions it's not so relevant now, but e.g. is the expectation to mix reactons for all?
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Zegnat And if you are adding those links anyway, may as well slap a rel-alternate on there to inform computers that it is the same content
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sknebel I also see people sometimes tweet in two languages in one tweet, which is interesting for notes
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Zegnat That’s a good question. I would say yes? Me preferring to read the article in English does not mean I wouldn’t want to see a German response
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[tantek] Rel=alternate requires hreflang, and a separate page
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Zegnat I would put it on separate pages, yes. But maybe that wasn’t your idea, sknebel?
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[tantek] I like the idea of exploring showing them in the same page, and frankly allowing for multilingual comments!
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[tantek] Twitter works kinda like that
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[tantek] With in-place “translate” buttons
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[tantek] You could do something similar
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[tantek] Except your translations would be what you wrote not automatic :)
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Zegnat For multilingual responses I wonder if some sort of filtering is nice to have. Thinking of YouTube, I sometimes wish I could filter out comments I know I cannot read anyway and get a better grasp of the discussion I could join in on
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sknebel (twitter example: https://twitter.com/DIYflixit/status/1093940588171411456)
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@DIYflixit 🇬🇧🇺🇸Well seems like the Baofeng UV-5R antenna is only resonant on 2m... 🇩🇪Sieht so aus als wenn die Baofeng UV-5R Antenne nur auf 2m resonant ist... https://twitter.com/DIYflixit/status/1093864684955058181 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy504YjXcAYSmu0.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1093940588171411456)
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[tantek] Nice example! Add to /translations#Twitter
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[tantek] Zegnat I prefer twitter UI where I can selectively translate the replies that I don’t understand
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[tantek] Rather than skipping
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Zegnat Hmm, I don’t think that would ever work for the sub-threaded 200+ youtube comment lists I sometimes scroll through. If I am looking to interact, I am looking for a place I can jump into, which would not be 1 level deep on a Russian side-discussion
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Zegnat I guess it depends a lot on the context of what you are trying to achieve
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Zegnat My mum does something similar on Facebook where she posts with up to 4 languages in a single note, sknebel
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Zegnat And sometimes she splits it up over multiple notes. She even set up a system where she writes a note in Dutch and only presents that to her Dutch friends, and then the German translation only to German native friends, and so on.
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Zegnat There are many different systems :)
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sknebel ah, with the group targeting in FB? clever
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sknebel (and if they still had an API one could make an app for that ...)
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sknebel although that then splits the reactions
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sknebel waaah, installing NVDA (screenreader) and the installer automatically turns on some windows feature (or laods its own code already?) that reads everything you hover the mouse over, system wide...
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[tantek] Aaronpk do you have this article also posted on your own site? https://www.godaddy.com/garage/an-indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet/
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sknebel [tantek]: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] An IndieWeb reader: My new home on the internet
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Zegnat sknebel, with the per-post audience settings. She has prepopulated lists that her friends are sorted into. Some of them based on relations (e.g. list of close family members), some based on native language (e.g. Dutch, German, …). It is a really interesting setup.
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Zegnat But yes, it does split responses, which is too bad, since there are definitely people on one list that might like to see interactions from the other list
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Zegnat So things like best wishes during the holidays often get 1 post with all languages in it, so people get to interact
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[tantek] Sknebel I’m mobile right now but can you add that article to somewhere near the top of /reader? Th GoDaddy version is already in the see also but I think it’s worth emphasizing (and linking to Aaronpk’s version near the top, before the screenshots)
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[kevinmarks] http://climbtothestars.org is en/fr and has summaries in the other language.
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sknebel [tantek]: done
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sknebel kevinmarks: thx, interesting example
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jacky morning PST indieweb
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[schmarty] o/ jacky
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jacky how goes it?
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[schmarty] lazy saturday so far. going to see part of the westminster dog show tonight with my wife. got stuck on some other projects so thinking of digging into an indieweb project or another.
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[schmarty] how about you?
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jacky about to put some teeth on fortress; having it do the whole oauth2 dance
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jacky hoping to have something useful by the end of the weekend
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[schmarty] sweet!
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sknebel what is fortress?
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Loqi Fortress is an IndieAuth provider and consumer service that allows one to have drop-in support to use their site as an identity on the Web https://indieweb.org/Fortress
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[tantek] Oh no Foursquare is down!
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[tantek] "Sorry! We're having technical difficulties.
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[tantek] Check status.foursquare.com for the latest."
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[tantek] took a screenshot
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[tantek] and it appears to be back up
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[tantek] well that certainly calls into question my photo hosting hack
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