#indieweb 2019-02-10

2019-02-10 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] I know there are others whose sites support /ActivityPub but don't see a lot of documentation/examples other than some links to snarfed's /Bridgy_Fed. I think aaronpk does... jacky does yours too, or were you just considering it?
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jacky I'm still considering it [chrisaldrich]
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jacky there's a bit of an engineering challenge for me to go through
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aaronpk hm is the list somewhere else or did we just never make the list?
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[tantek] the list should be on /ActivityPub#IndieWeb_Examples
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[tantek] -> meta
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aaronpk well it is now :)
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[tantek] 🎉 cwebber will be happy
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[tantek] BTW foursquare status: https://status.foursquare.com/
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[tantek] Foursquare << 2019-02-09 downtime: https://status.foursquare.com/incidents/p42cjtxmj99g
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-02-09 downtime: https://status.foursquare.com/incidents/p42cjtxmj99g" to the "See Also" section of /Foursquare https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56568&oldid=55725
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[tantek] wow pleroma appears to be js;dr, e.g. http://web.archive.org/web/20190210051200/https://pleroma.site/notice/2967381 is blank and has just a snippet of content in meta tags and nothing else
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[tantek] js;dr << [[Pleroma]] appears to be js;dr, bad enough to result in blank Internet Archive pages e.g. http://web.archive.org/web/20190210051200/https://pleroma.site/notice/2967381 (even with JS) is blank compared to the original https://pleroma.site/notice/2967381
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Pleroma]] appears to be js;dr, bad enough to result in blank Internet Archive pages e.g. http://web.archive.org/web/20190210051200/https://pleroma.site/notice/2967381 (even with JS) is blank compared to the original https://pleroma.site/notice/2967381" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56582&oldid=56024
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[tantek] so, manual vs automatic summaries for posts, what UX is good for that? expectations?
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[tantek] when is a note too long to be a note?
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Loqi what
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jacky lol loqi
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jacky and yeah that's the question
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[tantek] lol
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jacky I feel like this enters the world of how to "structure" text
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jacky this probably prompted the evolution of Twitter "threads"
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jacky each post being a expandable moment
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[tantek] jacky, I used to worry more and stress about naming long notes
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[tantek] then I learned to stop worrying and learned to love long notes
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jacky lol I guess that's the yearn to "force" things into a box
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jacky since a long note _can_ be an article with no name
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[tantek] we have enough boxes in life. it's liberating to make fewer
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jacky worth noting
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jacky https://twitter.com/gchaslot/status/1094359564559044610
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@gchaslot YouTube announced they will stop recommending some conspiracy theories such as flat earth. I worked on the AI that promoted them by the *billions*. Here is why it’s a historic victory. Thread. 1/ https://bit.ly/2MMXNGn (twitter.com/_/status/1094359564559044610)
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jacky lol it's like it's policy to lie and deny before a fix can come out
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jacky they still haven't fixed the issue I had a few years back - gorillas is still a blacklisted term
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[tantek] Wow
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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[jgmac1106] if a note needs a summary is it still an note?
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Happy Karma New Year everyone!
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[jgmac1106] nvm false alarm I can't spell
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jeremycherfas You can spell; you can't proofread. (Nor can I, often.)
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[jgmac1106] lot of it is bad urnal nerve in my left arm...need to invest in standing desk too broke, but lost a lot of typing functionality
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[jgmac1106] might just get the milk crates and duct tape out again.....my wife hated the design aesthetic
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Zegnat I recommend standing desks to everyone. The IKEA one is surprisingly good.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas I like mine too. It is a convertible. But my typing is not nearly as good when I am standing. Nice for scrolling through feeds and the like though.
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, I have only used electrical ones that were easy to switch between standing and sitting. Both my previous and my current job had me at one of those tables
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Zegnat Looking to get one at home
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Zegnat Hmm, apparently the vaguely mentioned Shortcuts “privacy issue” has been patched in the latest Shortcuts
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jeremycherfas Mine is from varidesk.com Not cheap, but very easy to operate.
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[kevinmarks] Looks like discussion moved here. I love the idea for a length trigger adding a name field prompt. How about another length trigger adding a summary field prompt too? That way when a note turns into an essay you can go back and add the abstract/tl;dr and the POSSE code coping with varying length limits has a better chance of getting it right than truncation.
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[jgmac1106] microblog UI for this is great ..go over 280 and you now have a post
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Zegnat I like Facebook’s UI (as I often do) where the font shrinks after a certain amount of text, which is their difference between a short status post and a longer text post.
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[kevinmarks] Thats another interesting affordance
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Zegnat The Facebook UI effect: https://i.imgur.com/Riv2sl0.mp4
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[jgmac1106] they might occasionally get one right
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[jgmac1106] but at same time I can have really really long notes
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[kevinmarks] I hadn't realised how commodified fitness trackers have got - R bought one for £25 that has steps, sleep and heart rate built in - the ones without heart rate are £17
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[jgmac1106] especially when taking notes about a reading. Incoherence is much a difference between a note and and a post as length for me
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Zegnat Got one with HR for 25 GBP? Mind sharing? I wanted to start recording HR but the trackers that actually did that got way too expensive :/
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], I think that in indieweb parlance “note” just means short-untitled-post. Not sure anyone differentiates based on coherence.
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[kevinmarks] https://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/aquarius-aq115-fitness-tracker-3?nlp=&CID=UK&uu=b6704123-e797-473b-8484-bf019d465096&sender=rm&d=deal-url
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[kevinmarks] uses an app called dayday band, not sure what other api it has
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[jgmac1106] of course not zegnat. If we did then 97.54% of what everyone publishes would be a note
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Zegnat Thanks [kevinmarks], I’ll check it out!
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jeremycherfas !tell [kevinmarks] I wonder why they can't deliver to the places they can't deliver to.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[kevinmarks] the groupon offer probably has territorial limitations
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jeremycherfas But they're so odd. Isle of Wight and Caithness?
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Zegnat analytics << [https://sebastiangreger.net/2019/02/6336/ Some alternative web analytics options]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://sebastiangreger.net/2019/02/6336/ Some alternative web analytics options]" to the "See Also" section of /website-analytics https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56596&oldid=54544
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Loqi For WordPress sites, another data-minimalist stats tool (no personal data, no cookies) is Statify by Pluginkollektiv (also the makers of the privacy-friendly Akismet alternative Antispam Bee)
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Mikaela Is there any recommendation or suggestion on how big a profile picture should be for various purpouses? First I tried to search the web and got overwhelmed by the optimal sizes for different silos, then I started looking at Indieweb.org where https://indieweb.org/profile_photo looks like it could mention this and see alsos https://indieweb.org/icon#Why_all_the_different_sizes where there is a recommendation I was looking for, but only for icos,
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Mikaela while I wonder what should I put on mikaela.info and copy from there whenever I need it for somewhere.
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Mikaela wants to try ipfs for profile photo hosting and keeping the original available instead of linking to GitHub as she theoretically has oneline change in Jekyll for switching gateways
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[jgmac1106] I do 250x250 bc of circle imgs being all the rage but have no idea if that is right
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[tantek] Zegnat could you add that Facebook note create / edit UI image to /create#Facebook section? (Create in Silo Examples if necessary)
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[tmiller] Will there be an organizers meeting in Berlin prior to the indie web camp ?
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[tantek] Let’s plan for one since last year’s went so well!
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[tantek] -> meta
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DenSchub Any europeans here? If so, do you provide services for users to publish contents? please contact your MEP and write them about your thoughts on article 13. https://blog.diasporafoundation.org/62-european-copyright-reform-article-13-puts-alternative-social-networks-at-risk
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DenSchub sorry for bringing politics into this channel, but this is kinda important. :)
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[jgmac1106] Article13--
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Loqi Article13 has -1 karma over the last year
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[jgmac1106] That isn't politics. It is a threat to the web
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DenSchub i do very much agree. :)
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jacky yeah def on topic
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Zegnat Not a service provider myself, but I am definitely following the discussion
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DenSchub things were bad, but article 13 turned into a nightmare last week
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Zegnat The whole Germany-France thing seems a clear example of designed-by-commitee where everyone feels like they had a say in a product that is in no way a product any individual wanted
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jacky digging the comments style on css-tricks! https://css-tricks.com/what-hooks-mean-for-vue/#comments
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Zegnat !tell tantek Facebook note create UI added to the page you pointed me add :) https://indieweb.org/create#FB_Text_size_adjustment_while_typing
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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