#indieweb 2019-02-13

2019-02-13 UTC
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[jgmac1106] plindner it is also frustrating as Google as never ever taken an HTML teaching approach, Google Sites even when the old version used HTML made up weird tags, the new templates are all javascript block editor..Blogger was a place where we could teach kids HTML before the new themes....I forgot all aboiut it. I was on blogger from 2007-2013,
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aaronpk speakerdeck is so good, i wish there was an easy way to post my slides on my site
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plindner[m] [jgmac1106]: I feel your pain. Moving to an SPA for blogs probably seemed like a good idea at the time (thanks Twitter for starting that trend..) Of course now it's a really bad idea because Google Search doesn't support escaped fragments.
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jgmac1106 I have good content to support Google search, only SEO strategy I use
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plindner[m] jgmac1106: yes, as long as the content is crawlable. To that, simple is better, but there are issues with SSL, viewport size etc. that interfere.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Good morning jeremycherfas :)
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[tantek] Good night!
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Loqi see you in the morning!
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[jgmac1106] good monrning
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petermolnar !tell [jgmac1106] it was myspace that taught people HTML & CSS
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] Peter I agree and that is why I like our turn key solutions like micro.blog do not require you to touch markup but give you full control if you want it, same with Known (when it was shared hosting)
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petermolnar there is a basic question there though: in case of myspace, the drive to learn tweaking was due to people wanting unique, their own, pseudonym version online, one that was, in most cases, hidden in the mainstream life, in reality. Is this needs still present? Do people still want this?
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petermolnar should stop using more commas, than Poe
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jgmac1106 to me it is the definign difference between a silio and open platforms (not neccasrily open source but uses open APIs and gives you full control) I don’t think it is a matter of “Dp people want this” but an tethical “It should be there if you want it"
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petermolnar I agree that it should be there, however, if nobody is using it, maintaining a functionality doesn't make much sense from the engineering point of view, does it? Hence my question: do people still want this?
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Zegnat I think the Tumblr users will tell you they want the old MySpace model still. I have seen so many different tweaked layouts on there.
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petermolnar indeed; Tumblr even stated they want to be like that - I'm trying to find the article - but Tumblr users are considered the outsiders, and their numbers are not that many
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Zegnat “not that many” - but many of them are indie creative types, who keep being forgotten by networks like Instagram
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jgmac1106 an yes feature creep can destroy a business but should “view and edit source code” be a feature or a first principle?
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jgmac1106 In my experience it is about 10%….I get two students out of 20-25 who go for the real deep dive
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[jgmac1106] next time I agree to build a web store in exchange for monthly supplies of beef and chicken stop me....building out a store from scratch with no POS database isn't fun
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jgmac1106 but if I could convince one other storefront to use h-product an “add an item” form would be easy to make….then I could work on snipcart to parse mf2 but I LOVE idea that my html page is scraped to build third party store even thought I do violate DRY between their metadata and mf2
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petermolnar that 10% - is that 10% who actually dives deep, or is that the number of who wants unique?
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jgmac1106 10% dive deep. It is usually 2-3, but I play the long game started with drewemcweeney in 2006 when he was in 6th grade
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jgmac1106 oops [drewmcweeney]
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jgmac1106 micro.blog still draws a more technical audience but they could have itneresting metrics on X% number of people who switch themes, number of people who edit css, etc
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jgmac1106 long terms in terms for teaching I want to connect HTML and mf2 parses to machine learning to create smart HTML tutorial bots
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jgmac1106 like after four weeks of class helpbot: “Hey I notice you never use headers want to learn how?”
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jgmac1106 and then track growth this student was in the top quartile of users who changed the markup in the templates
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petermolnar !clippy "I noticed you never use headers, want to learn how?"
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jgmac1106 bad tool for a productivity platform ,maybe not so much for a learning platform
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petermolnar indeed
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petermolnar clippy was a precursor to modern in-game "tutorials"
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sknebel Now I want a Microsoft Bob homepage for April 1st
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jgmac1106 but for my final for example I gave every student the same website template to remix, tracking what and where is changed easier for a machine to spot patterns than me
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cweiske there is no clippy file for cowsay :/
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sknebel https://github.com/paulkaefer/cowsay-files/blob/master/cows/clippy.cow
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cweiske oh
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cweiske http://p.cweiske.de/611
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jgmac1106 I make facebook pages for cows: https://fakefacebook.glitch.me/
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petermolnar https://codepen.io/joshnuss/pen/qdZdjw - oh, wow :D
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jgmac1106 cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (25 in all channels)
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petermolnar though this is heavily -chat topic :D
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dougbeal|mb1 Good morning indieweb
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sknebel morning!
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snarfed hey aaronpk random q, i just noticed that OYG's person tags use the website URL in their IG profile instead of their IG profile URL itself. but you recently advocated for silo URLs instead: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/158 , https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-12-04#t1543947792918900
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Loqi [snarfed] #158 use silo URL as first author URL, not web site(s) in profile
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snarfed is that difference intentional? totally ok, just curious
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snarfed (relevant OYG docs: https://ownyourgram.com/docs#form )
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aaronpk oh good point
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aaronpk you're right, i should change that to use the IG URL first
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snarfed not urgent obviously
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aaronpk i didn't notice because the person tags aren't as critical for things like blocking users as the author h-card is
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petermolnar if this goes through, the EU lost a believer: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/
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Zegnat I literally do not know who still wants it at this point, petermolnar …
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Zegnat I think even the music industry has now asked the EU to scrap it :/
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Zegnat https://torrentfreak.com/music-industry-asks-eu-to-scrap-article-13/
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