#indieweb 2019-02-18

2019-02-18 UTC
lmorchard, [kevinmarks], KartikPrabhu, Guest38, snarfed, beacrea, oodani, wolftune, [tantek] and tomasparks joined the channel
#
[tantek] you cannot connect Facebook with anything anymore, except maybe Instagram.
wolftune, KartikPrabhu and [dave] joined the channel
#
[dave] Instagram yes, but I'm not sure if it works via any sort of automation. Lately I've been using Instagram for posting photos so they go to Facebook for the stubborn friends that won't leave it, and use IFTTT to crosspost that to Twitter so it shows up as a native photo there, and then that uses the crossposter to shove a copy onto my Mastodon. It's messy but it works...
[eddie], astrojuanlu[m], jihaisse and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] The Soothing Promise of Our Own Artisanal Internet - Wired https://nzzl.us/68YmBFw via @nuzzel
[Vincent], catsup, [adam], swentel, Dhewya, [dhewya16], Yeshu, lmorchard, barpthewire, nloadholtes_ and jgmac1106 joined the channel
#
Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
nloadholtes, seekr and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] should we invite Nitasha Tiku to HWC SF?
[adam], [Rose], [Vincent], [jgmac1106], nloadholtes_, [kevinmarks], swentie and swentel joined the channel
#
[jgmac1106] you should invite everyone to HWC SF so I say sure
#
Loqi +1
eli_oat, [schmarty], tomasparks, nloadholtes_, [tantek] and nloadholtes joined the channel
#
[tantek] Who is that?
#
[tantek] Kevinmarks, that Wired article is a good example of what kind of blog posts to write at the time something happens so that they’re available for “the media” to cite
#
[tantek] Note to self for sure
aalmazan joined the channel
#
aaronpk It's pretty fun to see mainstream media coming back around to the idea of small internet and personal websites which we've been solidly working on for the last...9 years now
dougbeal|mb1 joined the channel
#
dougbeal good morning indieweb
#
aaronpk Good morning!
#
aaronpk Who's excited for IndieWebCamp Austin this weekend!
#
Loqi rise and shine!
#
aaronpk I am leaving PDX today and will end up in Austin on Friday so I hope I remembered everything!
#
[tantek] So excited!
#
[tantek] And yet so much to get thru this week til Friday 😩
#
[tantek] Worth analyzing that article for why mainstream media is now coming back. Worth inviting the author to IndieWebCamp?
[Rose] joined the channel
#
[Rose] I am excited, though I'm also excited to test how ergonomic my sofa setup is ;)
kraftbj, wolftune, [schmarty] and [davidmead] joined the channel
#
[davidmead] Is there anything stopping a photo, long-form post, or a check-in be a `u-in-reply-to` ?
#
jacky nope
#
jacky if anything, those sound like a photo, article or reply with location data
#
[davidmead] cool - more noodling around #known enhancements
#
petermolnar are there any visual website builders out there which makes sane, html based websites these days? All the things I look at, apart from some page builders for WordPress, are devastatingly JS oriented.
#
jacky petermolnar: like native applications on one's desktop?
eduardm joined the channel
#
[tantek] davidmead, not just not stopping, some are actual use-cases already
#
[tantek] what is a photo reply?
#
Loqi photo reply is a reply with a photo, thus also a photo post that is in-reply-to another post https://indieweb.org/photo_reply
#
[tantek] what is a photo comment?
#
Loqi photo comment is what a photo reply looks like in the context of the original post that it is in-reply-to https://indieweb.org/photo_comment
#
[tantek] I've certainly posted an article reply before, though I'm not sure we've documented it as such
#
[tantek] what is an article reply
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "article reply" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "article reply is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#
[davidmead] thx tantek
#
petermolnar jacky: there's an org website, currently on wix, which is terrible in every possible way - fullon js;dr, ridiculously slow, etc -, which I'd love to replace, but the primary owner is not too tech savvy, and I'm looking for presentable alternatives. Desktop or web, doesn't matter, but it needs to be simple, modern, with a sane, not js;dr output.
#
[tantek] and now I'm wanting an archive of my posts by "type", e.g. all my article posts
#
[tantek] technically all my /issue posts are /article posts in structure that are in-reply-to the respective GitHub repo or more correctly to that GitHub repo's issues page
#
[davidmead] tantek and you’re using ‘article’ as a long-form piece, not the HTML article tag, correct?
#
[tantek] davidmead, correct, I'm using 'article' like /article 🙂
#
[davidmead] 🙂
#
jacky petermolnar: hm. I've been leaning on Wordpress to handle CMS-y stuff for clients
#
jacky but nothing to the extent that Wix would provide
#
[tantek] Re-discovered this article. Note the year. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/sep/27/facebook-open-graph-web-underclass
lmorchard joined the channel
#
[tantek] cool, found three examples. thanks for the prod davidmead
bkardell and [Rose] joined the channel
#
[tantek] what is an article reply?
#
Loqi An article reply is a reply written as an article, with an explicit post name and often structured post content, as well as in-reply-to another post https://indieweb.org/article_reply
#
[tantek] davidmead ^^^ there you go
KartikPrabhu, gRegorLove, wolftune, leg, snarfed, swentel, eli_oat and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] I have a few of those
#
[tantek] kevinmarks with actual in-reply-to? or old school just a mention link (undiscoverable)
ichoquo0Aigh9ie, [asuh], kraftbj, wolftune, [davidmead] and [schmarty] joined the channel
#
[davidmead] tantek++
#
Loqi tantek has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (100 in all channels)
#
KartikPrabhu I definitely have one
[Rose], wolftune, [jgmac1106], jgmac1106, [eddie], Breadbasket_, KartikPrabhu and [keithjgrant] joined the channel
#
aaronpk I have a design question. is this obvious enough that the post on the white background is mine, if you didn't already recognize my photo? https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2019-02-18-14-57-16-T4W0Kmauyg.jpg note the difference between the author display in the reply context (name and url) vs my post (only photo)
#
[tantek] what's the point of showing the url in the reply context?
#
aaronpk the author's URL?
#
[tantek] yeah
#
aaronpk it's useful to me at least since it gives me more context at a glance of where the post came from, and therefore how much though I should give it
#
[tantek] since presumably it's already linked to from their name/image
#
KartikPrabhu aaronpk: If I didn't recognise your photo I would not know which of the posts is by the author of the site vs which one is external, unless I looked at the URL stuff closely
#
aaronpk that part isn't changing right now, i'm just adding my own author info into my posts
#
[tantek] oh interesting, you want to indicate some visual signifier as to what "network" it came from
#
aaronpk KartikPrabhu: does that problem also exist with the current display of my replies?
#
KartikPrabhu link?
#
aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/19/4/
#
Loqi [Aaron Parecki] That's basically the idea with https://indieauth.net to let you bring you own identity and authentication mechanism when logging in to sites. There's a fair number of providers and support for it but nothing at the scale of Facebook yet.
#
[tantek] you could stamp their icon with the silo icon like you do in your facepiles
#
KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes
#
aaronpk ok, no change then, so I will solve that separately :)
#
[tantek] oh yeah much better when you icon is next to the part that you wrote
#
KartikPrabhu I think designing reply-contexts is hard for this reason
#
[tantek] your* icon
#
aaronpk cool. i'm looking for minimum viable improvements right now
[grantcodes] joined the channel
#
[tantek] KartikPrabhu key to reply-contexts is keeping them simple. I think the challenge is when a reply-context is confused with the actual content of your post
#
KartikPrabhu [tantek]: yes
#
KartikPrabhu I don't have any reply context except links so this does not happen
#
[tantek] happens less so. I still put my icon on my replies so you can see what I wrote / did in contrast to the reply-context
#
KartikPrabhu I have my icon too, but it is for the whole thing in some sense see: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-mathematigal-binary-counter
#
Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Is it possible to design something similar for higher bases? base 3?
#
KartikPrabhu if I put the reply-context in there I would have a hard time designing it
[kevinmarks], kraftbj and [asuh] joined the channel