#indieweb 2019-02-19

2019-02-19 UTC
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[tantek] KartikPrabhu sounds a bit more dev-like
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[tantek] Carrying here from meta, it looks like the term "login wall" is a thing https://www.nngroup.com/articles/login-walls/
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[tantek] also registration wall: https://medium.com/ggv-capital/to-wall-or-not-to-wall-the-user-sign-up-question-3caa2a729adc (ironically on Medium, I know)
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[tantek] what is a registration wall
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "registration wall" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "registration wall is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] registration wall is a UI [[antipattern]] used by some silos (like [[Pinterest]] and [[Quora]]) to prompt new site users with a registration UI that blocks viewing or using the site. https://medium.com/ggv-capital/to-wall-or-not-to-wall-the-user-sign-up-question-3caa2a729adc
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] antipatterns << [[registration wall]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[registration wall]]" to the "See Also" section of /antipatterns https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56872&oldid=54811
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[tantek] Pinterest << [[registration wall]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[registration wall]]" to the "See Also" section of /Pinterest https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56873&oldid=47235
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[tantek] Quora << [[registration wall]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[registration wall]]" to the "See Also" section of /Quora https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56874&oldid=54551
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[tantek] registration wall << 2016-03-09 [https://woocommerce.com/posts/when-require-customer-account/ Deciding when it’s right to require an account]
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Loqi ok, I added "2016-03-09 [https://woocommerce.com/posts/when-require-customer-account/ Deciding when it’s right to require an account]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /registration_wall https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56875&oldid=56871
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[tantek] what is a login wall
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "login wall" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "login wall is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] login wall is a UI [[antipattern]] used by some silos like [[Medium]] to prompt returning users with a login UI, sometimes after some number of viewed pages, that blocks viewing or using the site until the user has logged in. When presented immediately (upon first visit), this is a [[registration wall]].
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] Login wall << https://www.nngroup.com/articles/login-walls/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.nngroup.com/articles/login-walls/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /login_wall https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56878&oldid=56877
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[tantek] antipatterns << login wall
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Loqi ok, I added "[[login wall]]" to the "See Also" section of /antipatterns https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56879&oldid=56872
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[tantek] registration wall << login wall
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Loqi ok, I added "[[login wall]]" to the "See Also" section of /registration_wall https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56880&oldid=56875
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[jgmac1106] Good Morning
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Loqi good morning!
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sknebel good morning
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[jgmac1106] continuing my journey to see if I can finish up the h-card guestbook
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jeremycherfas Good Morning IndieWeb
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dougbeal o/ IndieWeb
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[kevinmarks] Nagware inception is where there are so many Nagware popups that none of the underlying content is visible.
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[tantek] [kevinmarks] I’m waiting for actual nagware inception where there’s nagware inside the nagware (yo dawg)
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[kevinmarks] I did have twitter trying to get me login to twitter inside a twitter hosted webview
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[Vincent] its iframes all the way down….
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/336640916611813377
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@kevinmarks Using @twitter on iPad, I click a blog post. I comment, @disqus asks to log in with twitter. The embedded browser isn't logged in. Times out (twitter.com/_/status/336640916611813377)
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[jgmac1106] !tell jacky I am watching my friend start to interact in the Mastodon instance you recommended maybe you should add a store interface to share with the creative crowd in Koype
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] https://educatorinnovator.org/campaigns/call-for-proposals-2019-lrng-innovators-challenge-from-passion-to-purpose/ Here is another grant opportunity that might fit someone's IndieWeb goals
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[tantek] Kevinmarks that sounds pretty amazing (the login to Twitter inside a webview inside Twitter app) - please screenshot next time 😂
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snarfed [tantek]: sorry, no, it doesn't
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Loqi snarfed: Zegnat left you a message 3 days, 4 hours ago: re: seeing people who follow me but aren’t my friends; I believe I turned off that feature and do not allow non-friend followers? ... Need to checl
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snarfed it's possible that it Just Works anyway, but unlikely
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snarfed feel free to file a feature request!
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[tantek] snarfed, ok I may try it and then if it doesn't work, file a feature request, or if it does, maybe I'll file a docs pull request 🙂
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[tantek] either way, work for me! 🙂
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gRegorLove I'm thinking about a minimal related reading section on my posts, starting with only posts from my own site. Anyone doing that?
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gRegorLove No examples on /related_reading yet
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: I have notes at the bottom of my articles with related reading links sometimes
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KartikPrabhu example: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/equal-height-images-flexbox#notes
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gRegorLove That's similar to what I'm doing. I sometimes link to similar posts with "previously" at the bottom. The webmention shows up on those previous posts as generic mentions currently
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gRegorLove but it would be cool if it could automatically show up in a related reading section instead.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: you could update the webmention processing to have your own articles show up as "related posts" instead of mentions
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snarfed a number of wordpress plugins generate related reading links like that automatically, based on content. some are really good.
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[eddie] Ohhh that's an interesting idea KartikPrabhu, using self-detection of webmentions to group is as related posts
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[eddie] I've never liked how my own posts show up as mentions, I think I might have to implement that!
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KartikPrabhu right. you could also use tags/categories
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: yes, how you display webmentions is totally up to you so that is within the rules ;)
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[eddie] Yeah, I don't know why that never occurred to me!
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gRegorLove Yeah, I might do something with tags bc I would like a bit of granular control over it.
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gRegorLove Maybe `u-category h-entry` similar to person tag
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[tantek] snarfed, do you yourself use any of the wordpress plugins that generate related reading links?
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snarfed i used to!
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snarfed forgot which one
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[chrisaldrich] Jetpack does the related posts for word press
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[chrisaldrich] I know I've seen others, but Jetpack is the most common.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: maybe use both: if a self-webmention is from your own site and has "similar" u-categories then it is a "related post"
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KartikPrabhu that way you can also extend it to other "trusted" sites
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[eddie] Another interesting aspect could be considering any links you make inside of your post. If they have a similar category you could also mark that as a related post
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[eddie] So then you can use posts that mention the current page, plus posts the current page mentions. Any of that collection that is considered a trusted site and has a similar category would be considered related and listed below/beside the main content
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jacky [jgmac1106]: I didn't recommend a Mastodon instance in particular (not to my knowledge).
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Loqi jacky: [jgmac1106] left you a message 3 hours, 49 minutes ago: I am watching my friend start to interact in the Mastodon instance you recommended maybe you should add a store interface to share with the creative crowd in Koype
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jacky I actually try not to - I don't know what people want/need nor do I have insight into how moderation works on a particular server
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[jgmac1106] My apologies if we misspoke. I thought we talked about playvicious awhile back on Mastodon.. Funny thing is I am worst person for advice on Mastodon I think I litter the place with instances