#indieweb 2019-02-20

2019-02-20 UTC
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[jgmac1106] jacky I can post a reply to Kevin's tweet clarifying if you want, again my apologies, still think the artist crowd on fediverse might be a good Koype niche
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jacky Definitely; for sure.
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jacky I think https://mastodon.art is more focused on art
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jacky ohai
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[jgmac1106] Wow just read the mastodon.art CoC encourages slow and infrequent posting. Interesting protection of a gallery like feed....
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HyperDark Hello
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Zegnat Hi HyperDark
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chrisaldrich Good morning IndieWeb
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chrisaldrich I've had a Following page for a while, but thought I'd start sketching out a Followers page too.
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chrisaldrich https://boffosocko.com/about/followers/
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chrisaldrich It should accept homepage webmentions as well as mentions to the page directly.
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chrisaldrich Perhaps I'll tack on a Friends page using XFN data one day?
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chrisaldrich off to bed....
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swentel good night :)
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Loqi buenas noches
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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[Vincent] Here’s a fun thing I’ve been toying with today. Disabling Webmentions for certain posts. Just as you might disable comments on an article If you wished. Anyone else done this? And if you did disable a post and someone still sent you a webmention, is it good manners to ignore it? Or should you collect it anyway and not display it?
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aaronpk depends on your goal with it
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[jgmac1106] [Vincent] what do you do simply remove the webmention end point on that page?
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aaronpk is your intent to stop showing new comments? then it's fine to continue to log them privately
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[Vincent] [aaronpk] yes in a nutshell
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aaronpk is your intent that a post is receiving too much noise and you don't care about ever seeing responses to it again? then maybe drop everything on the floor and/or remove the webmention endpoint from that page
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[jgmac1106] all of the webmentions for my classes are collected and not displayed...but thjat is more me not knowing how to display yet
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[Vincent] [jgmac1106] No I was just thinking I would disable the output on the page render. I’ll add a flag to the frontmatter and check for it rebuild
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[jgmac1106] getting devy may want to move convo
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aaronpk my understanding of why most people disable comments on old posts is the post either is getting only spam comments because it's been around for so long, or it sparked some particularly contentious debate and they want to not create a space for that debate anymore
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[jgmac1106] yes, or they are not white and male and it dangerous to have comments
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[jgmac1106] i think it is a really cool feature, idea especially just taking it off of front end and still getting webmentions
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[Vincent] [aaronpk] yeah my thought was, what happens if I post an article and then the comments go bad. How do I handle that? And how easily could I sort it out. I save webmentions individually so if I got a single mention that was offensive I can just delete it. But if the conversation goes in a strange/unexpected way. I should probably have a way to handle that.
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[jgmac1106] but I use this to track student progres...I look at webmention.io and I have quick glance of who did assignments
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[Rose] Being able to handle things going bad is importnat
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[Rose] Look how many tweets get dug up years later and taken out of context, and the person who posted it just gets covered in hate messages. Being able to at least stop replies showing up on your own website will be useful at some point.
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[Vincent] [Rose] I hadn’t thought of that scenario. Good point
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[Vincent] I’ll add a flag to turn them on/off per page
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[Rose] I unfortunately know some people this has happened to. Thankfully their employers were understanding, but they got dragged into it too.
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[Vincent] 😞
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[Rose] Yup!
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[grantcodes] https://thenextweb.com/contributors/2019/02/20/how-to-decentralize-social-media-according-to-wikipedias-co-founder/
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[jgmac1106] Is ActivityPub simply going to win the decentralized race due to critical mass?
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[grantcodes] Some interesting thoughts in there
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[grantcodes] Especially the idea of making a browser plugin to pull peoples IndieWeb feeds into twitter / facebook
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aaronpk hah i like that idea
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aaronpk it's funny that the rest of his post basically outlines exactly what we're doing though
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[grantcodes] Yeah more or less
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[grantcodes] Oh didn't realize that is even a syndicated copy from his own blog: https://larrysanger.org/2019/02/how-to-decentralize-social-media-a-brief-sketch/
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk hm too bad he linked to the 2010 w3c report instead of the latest work
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[tonz] Are there any indieweb people on Prince Edward Island (.Ca) that you guys know of? I will be attending an unconference a friend is organising there in June (for the 20th anniversary of his company, copied from me and my wife’s habit of doing (un)conferences for our birthday so friends from all over can get permission from their employers to come)
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[tonz] And I would be interested if we could bring some more indieweb peeps to that event, if my friend will have them.
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[schmarty] tonz: that sounds super fun!! i can't think of any folks in that area at the moment.
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cjwillcock hi tonz! I'm in Summerside and work in Charlottetown - would love to join
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[jgmac1106] Prince Edward Island also has a uni very into open pedagogy
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[jgmac1106] OMG! Birthday parties as an unconference to get work to pay for them is BRILLIANT
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[jgmac1106] .. Part of reason I want to add BlogCon style research posters to some IWC so more academics can go.. Without messing up unconference format
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[tonz] [jgmac1106] it’s also a lot of fun. We’ve done it 4 times in the past 10 yrs. Last August the most recent one, for my wife’s 40th. Had about 45 people from all over Europe, and some from NA and SE Asia. As well as people from next door. We wrote a little e-book some years back as a how-to (see https://zylstra.org/blog/How_to_Unconference_Your_Birthday.pdf )
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[tonz] [cjwillcock] great, do you perhaps know Peter Rukavina? (He’s the one doing the unconference in June. He organised the Zap your PRAM conferences some years ago. His site is at ruk.ca )
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cjwillcock tonz: I know Peter by reputation only, and as a sometimes reader of his blog. From your description ^^^ it was my guess that he was behind the plans though! We haven't had the pleasure of meeting.
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[tonz] [cjwillcock] cool. Will ping Peter about it. Btw, google tells me you were involved with starting a makerspace in Summerside in 2015? (I have been deeply involved in building a network of fablabs in the Netherlands in the past)
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[tonz] and with Peter tried to bring fablab to PEI uni
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[jgmac1106] Tonz never heard about CC Global Summit... Weird know we weren't accepted but odd not to say anything
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cjwillcock Yes indeed. Makerspace is still going strong - I'm the Treasurer these days. I sold the idea to the local municipal gov, and they agreed to in-kind sponsor a space (2000 sq. ft, heat and lights). I put out a call members of the public to join an organizing committee and lined up 5 business owners including myself. We funded the startup costs (lawyer, insurance) and voila, Summerside Makerspace.
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[jgmac1106] Waaay too much effort being put on governance in the upcoming council model imo
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cjwillcock I've been wanting to do similar for Ch'town, and spending much more time there these days.
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cjwillcock The space follows the interests of the members - in Summerside it's very hands-on, not so much software / electronics that I normally associate with makerspace. We have an agriponics/hydroponics thing going with an indoor greenhouse and a dozen tilapia cycling nutrients into grow beds, a busy woodshop with a couple retirees who frequent.
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cjwillcock I personally am more interested in software, and thus indieweb ;)
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cjwillcock The 3D printing stuff gets a lot of use too I understand
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[tonz] [cjwillcock] nice!
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[tonz] [jgmac1106] yeah, it all sounds very overhead heavy. The minutes of the international committee read like that too. (In NL we started a separate membership org that ‘is’ the CC chapter’ but focuses more on promoting makers. )
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[jgmac1106] Makes sense... The CC org going to collapse under doing but nothing governance work
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[tonz] [cjwillcock] I pinged Peter, he will reach out to you. Event date will be June 7th/8th.
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cjwillcock tonz: super, thanks!
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cowglow Yo
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cowglow cowglow.com
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[schmarty] o/ howdy cowglow!
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[tonz] [cowglow] Hi Philip! Looks good!
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[kevinmarks] nice site - try https://indiewebify.me/ on it to get indieweb enhancement ideas
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sknebel hi cowglow!
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aaronpk waves
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jackjamieson Hi IndieWeb!
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Loqi jackjamieson: [jgmac1106] left you a message on 2018-11-27 at 12:49pm UTC: here is a citation for the vita: McVerry, J.G., Jamieson, J. (2018). Open Pedagogy: Comparative Case Study of #indieweb and #ds106. A Paper presented at the 68th conference of the Literacy Research Association, Palm Springs, CA. finishing up paper now...need to pick journal for when it is done
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jackjamieson lol, I've only posted in #indieweb-wordpress for so long that I just got that message now
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jackjamieson Thank you [jgmac1106]!
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tomasparks I have family member who have reduced their silo usage, I am wondering what is the easy was to get into the indieweb for them
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jeremycherfas !tell tomasparks Absolutely the easiest right now is a paid subscription to micro.blog. Second, requiring some technical savvy, would be @withknown.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Also, hello.
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tomasparks jeremycherfas: that's what though
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Loqi tomasparks: jeremycherfas left you a message 5 minutes ago: Absolutely the easiest right now is a paid subscription to micro.blog. Second, requiring some technical savvy, would be @withknown.
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[jgmac1106] Ha ha... [aaronpk] said big enough for someone to do an academic paper and Loqi somehow finds way to share citation
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jacky I don't think ActivityPub will "win" (nor do we need any solution to _win_ per se)
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jacky adoption of _a_ open platform / protocol by lots of people is excellent and a win for all IMHO
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sknebel EU virtual HWC at https://meet.jit.si/hwc !
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sknebel (really could have put that link in already, forgot you could choose the name freely)
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[jgmac1106] Ahhh campus closing in 30 minutes... No vHWC... Snow won't be here for hours..... Grrrr
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cowglow hello
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cowglow yay! my avatar!
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Loqi giggles
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cowglow [tonz] Servus!!
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cowglow [schmarty] howdy !
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cowglow [sknebel] hi!
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[jgmac1106] cowglow welcome!
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[jgmac1106] We met in Nuremberg but I was remote... Well welcome pic. You been here long time
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sknebel vHWC is moving to Mumble - having issues with jitsi
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[grantcodes] Oh boy mumble is diffocult
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aaronpk it's pretty much like IRC for voice
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aaronpk just as awkward UI
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[grantcodes] Yup I've not been able to get onto the EU vHWC yet. sknebel: getting a wrong password error
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[grantcodes] Although it did look like jit.si was working for me
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[grantcodes] nvm I saw the password now
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sknebel [grantcodes]: and didn't see and hear you in jitsi, just a black box
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[grantcodes] Yeah it said you were having connectivity issues
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chrisaldrich cowglow++ for the avatar
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Loqi cowglow has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[kevinmarks] I'm in mumble and jitsi and alone in both
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[kevinmarks] oh, I'm too late?
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sknebel [kevinmarks]: yeah, finished half an hour ago or so
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[kevinmarks] oh well - I was expecting more noise in the chat to remind me, sorry
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[jgmac1106] can not wait until I am using a social reader rather than rss for all my classes, proper formatting is going to make the plumbing for teacher dashboards so easy
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aaronpk Whats stopping you from doing that right now? What pieces are missing?
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[jgmac1106] 12 years of a solid public education
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[jgmac1106] but seriously, I thought about tryin with microblog, my department even foots the bill for my pilot account
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[jgmac1106] but will move to dev, tried to write that in the most undevy way...but it would be getting my students to add the h-card to wordpress.com...or even just there author info....taking someone online for first time is very anxious moment for students
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[jgmac1106] I keep this spreadsheet and cut and paste links for inoreader...my students are all in my indigenous account as well...inoreader just to embed an html clip of the feed to create planet like feature
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[jgmac1106] OPML or feed import to aperture be nice know many people don't want to move all their sources..but that is waay too much work for you..wait for you to start charging people
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[jgmac1106] but I see this vision of my read, listen, watch posts, and a grade book with student names parsed from their h-cards and everything just being populated...basically whats missing all my students on blogs with proper mf2...thats pretty much it
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