#indieweb 2019-03-13

2019-03-13 UTC
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[eddie] aaronpk that sounds great. I’ve thought of similar things. I experimented with tagging all of my posts of a trip with a single tag, but it doesn’t allow for inclusion in a feed or custom display like a collection would
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[eddie] I definitely think it’ll be taking a similar approach
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aaronpk Yeah the problem with tags is it pretty much requires displaying in chronological order rather than a curated order to tell a story. Also if the tag is reused it won't have a single start/end
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aaronpk I like tags for things that do recur, but I also want to be able to more carefully decide what goes into a trip post
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[eddie] aaronpk absolutely! Collections is a big improvement!
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GWG I've been using Series for that
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GWG Which works exactly like a tag
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GWG Wondering what are the characteristics of a collection
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[tantek] Just figured out that FB let’s an event author *edit* the RSVPs! Which then sends a notification to the person who RSVPd
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[tantek] Like it you host an event and afterwards you want to edit it to accurately reflect shows and no shows.
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[eddie] What is an edit post?
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Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indieweb.org/edit_post
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[eddie] tantek 😉
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[tantek] Does anyone here have a UI on their site to edit any responses on their posts? Eg deleting or fixing a comment etc?
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aaronpk Other than the GUI for my database? No :-)
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GWG I do
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[eddie] GWG regarding characteristics of a collection: has its own properties such as name, content, featured, etc. plus it has children h-objects.
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[eddie] Whereas a tag page is literally just a list or h-feed of h-objects
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[eddie] So as soon as you start wanting to add properties to the top level of a group of items it starts to turn into a collection, theoretically
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[jgmac1106] Devy
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aaronpk Let's rephrase that without the jargon. A collection post has things like a name or content or featured image, in addition to the list of posts in the collection. A tag page is just the list of posts matching the tag.
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[kevinmarks] So your pinned post per tag model makes them a collection?
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Zegnat The pinned post does not include the “list of posts”. The pinned post is just one of the posts in the list on the tag page.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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swentel morning
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Loqi *yawn* ... /stretch/
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[Rose] Is Loqi available for adoption?
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cweiske I don't think so, because loqi is too old and thus not cute enough anymore
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[Rose] I disagree, the cat like tendencies are adorable
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[Vincent] [Rose] get a flerkin? https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Flerken
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[Rose] I'm not sure about the tentacles
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[Vincent] 😆
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Zegnat “Is Loqi available for adoption?” Like an IndieWeb Neopets?
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aaronpk Correct I would not consider my pinned posts a collection, that's still just a list of tagged posts
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[kevinmarks] So a collection has a designed order. Makes sense. Could you add commentary on or between the collected items? The classic Buzzfeed list post model?
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[kevinmarks] The buzzfeed post editor is quite interesting - it's like the medium/quill insert UI, but it asks you for title and provenance for each thing you embed
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[kevinmarks] good explanation here: https://www.buzzfeed.com/catesish/a-step-by-step-guide-to-making-a-buzzfeed-post
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[jgmac1106] Yeah I publish tag posts, but in my attempt to make a collection ai did not make the collection its own post with a name but a feed. Some people want to subscribe to my collections
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[jgmac1106] Will go back and change my collection from a feed to a post
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Zegnat I think these may be two different collections, [jgmac1106]. A collection that is subscribable sounds like a collection that changes over time, and is thus much closer to a feed. A collection post is a single post that contains a number of different items (e.g. multiple photos that have gone out as one unit). I am not sure one expects a collection post to change over time?
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Zegnat E.g. the Buzzfeed “collection” does not change over time (AFAIK)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah that distinction makes sense. I am gonna make the two collections I published as feeds into posts. My other collections are already a single post containing other posts
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aaronpk related to this, I made some subtle changes to the way I display dates and times on my event posts
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aaronpk I think this makes sense now
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aaronpk for multi-day events, it shows just the dates, "March 31 through April 4, 2019" and no times
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aaronpk in the list view
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aaronpk on the permalink, it lists the start and end dates and times separately
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aaronpk i'm trying to make the list view show relevant skimmable information, and then you can click through to the permalink to see the details
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[jgmac1106] That makes sense. On the trip maybe only display the title of the link or a summary if that is available
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[eddie] Pretty excited for my new Play posts 😄 This posted automatically last night after playing my Nintendo Switch!
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[eddie] https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/13/4/note/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] 🎮 Played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for 55 minutes with Ash. https://atum-img-lp1.cdn.nintendo.net/2e47c1fb569e432a833a167313679299_1024
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aaronpk omg
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aaronpk how'd you get "with ash"? is that included in the nintendo data?
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[Rose] How did you do this? Tell me more! (Perhaps in dev)
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[eddie] aaronpk So it was a bit of a hack. We have a "shared" account. So if the play was on the "shared" account then it includes with Ash
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[eddie] [Rose] Correct to dev
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aaronpk ahhh haha
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swentel haha
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swentel awesome
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aaronpk moving this from dev because i'm in design mode now...
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aaronpk trying to show that the posts below are part of this collection and the thing at the top is the thing that contains them https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2019-03-13-10-21-57-cAv2TkZ3i3.jpg
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aaronpk i'm not totally sold on the inset margins but I can't think of anything else
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aaronpk I don't think I want to do the inset thing and also extend the white background to contain it, because that'll end up with two vertical lines running down the page
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/mozilla/status/1105501660611207169
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[kevinmarks] could you extend the white background to contain it, but give them different background shades (one of the subtle ones like aliceblue or ivory)
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aaronpk I don't think I want the two long vertical lines that would result in
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[kevinmarks] you could separate out the sub-posts so you get a bento box effect - a bit like the G+ cards look
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[kevinmarks] your photos view in dev has that bento box look. Maybe if you styled the flights to look more like tickets or boarding passes they could be a scrapbook
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aaronpk these won't be just flights though, they can contain any kind of post
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[kevinmarks] This is starting to look a bit like Joe Smarr's journeys stuff from google photos
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[kevinmarks] 'stories' sorry https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/how-does-google-teach-a-computer-to-tell-stories/373270/
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[kevinmarks] hm, did they get deprecated?
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sknebel count as part of Google+?
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[kevinmarks] they were in photos, and they aren't any more
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aaronpk ok first trip is live now! https://aaronparecki.com/2019/03/12/44/japan
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aaronpk so now the real question... what do I put in this trip post
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[kevinmarks] your flights in that are long enough to make the mercator map less than ideal, lol
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aaronpk the line is going the wrong way and the map needs to be centered differently
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aaronpk this is my first flight crossing the international date line so I haven't had this problem before 😂
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aaronpk so do I leave this post to just show my travel plans? or do I add some checkins and photo highlights from the trip to the post?
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[kevinmarks] I remember this from 3D Atlas in 1994 - at some point showing spherical earth roatated makes a lot more sense
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/trips will always show just the summary view, and future plans will be easily read because they will only contain plans, so I guess I can pack them full of stuff after the fact
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Loqi Japan
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[eddie] My long-term goal is to have all my stuff from each trip after the fact
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aaronpk adds a few posts to try this out
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[eddie] My prototype of this with a tag has all my things along the way: Checkins, Train trips, Photos from the trip, https://eddiehinkle.com/tag/nyc2018
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aaronpk since this one's in progress, makes it hard to see what is the *next* thing that's happening
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[eddie] Ohhh yeah that's tricky
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aaronpk so that might be something unique to trips vs my other collections
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aaronpk a sort of "now" or "next" marker
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aaronpk ok that's all for now
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[eddie] Yeah that's a great idea
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jeremycherfas Still seems so strange to fly east to Japan from Seattle.
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aaronpk Very
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aaronpk I don't remember why this made the most sense but it was a rewards ticket so who knows
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jeremycherfas Don't look a gift horse etc.
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aaronpk Whatever just means 4 more hours in my business class seat!
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jeremycherfas Wait what? You're doing all this from on high?
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aaronpk No haven't left Boston yet
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jeremycherfas Hahaha
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aaronpk clearly my trip post needs a "now" marker
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Loqi ahahaha
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jeremycherfas I wasn't paying a lot of attention, I confess.
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[kevinmarks] update from Joseph Smarr on the google Stories UI https://twitter.com/jsmarr/status/1105861979464323072
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@jsmarr @kevinmarks They morphed into "smart albums" in Google Photos...no longer with that unique side scrolling UI, but you can still add maps, locations, and large captions between photos in any album now. This way it works with shared albums too and you can control/edit it better. (twitter.com/_/status/1105861979464323072)
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aaronpk Guess that means it won't die with google plus?
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/jsmarr/status/1105862614121275398
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@jsmarr @kevinmarks Here's an example of what the original UI looked like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDk5Fd7CMg (twitter.com/_/status/1105862614121275398)
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[kevinmarks] worth adding to /collections
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[jgmac1106] yeah I have some of those saved....it was way cooler then
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: https://musings.danlj.org/2019/03/02/accidental-digital-archivist.html - project to migrate Google+ groups to discourse, might be interesting for ppl you know
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Loqi The accidental digital archivist
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[tantek] Does anyone use the Hemmingway Editor in their writing, either for their own site or other uses? http://www.hemingwayapp.com/
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[tantek] what is Hemingway App
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Loqi Hemingway App is http://www.hemingwayapp.com/ a website (and accompanying native apps) that provides an interactive text editor that highlights bad grammar, readability difficulties, and other areas of potential editorial improvement as you type; a simplified reverse-engineered version is available that could be used to enhance any indieweb post creating UI https://indieweb.org/Hemingway_App
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