#indieweb 2019-03-25
2019-03-25 UTC
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[jgmac1106] What is manyverse?
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Loqi Manyverse is a decentralized, "off-grid" messaging and sharing mobile app built on top of Secure Scuttlebutt (SSB) https://indieweb.org/Manyverse
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jacky I was reading about it from Darius https://reader.jacky.wtf/share/5c98292064e667.97157747
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[jgmac1106] And I just want to answer back.. It all works pretty well from my website... I do need to play more in Beaker.. Fun sandbox
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[jgmac1106] I just saw manyverse in f-droid and I have never played with scuttlebutt didn't know much about it
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[jgmac1106] A blog and a feed is a doable today decentralized approach.
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[jgmac1106] Are some syndication slack bots https://slackdigest.com/digest.html
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[jgmac1106] Be cool in IRC you highlight a bunch of chat and then msg the bot and they get added to the daily digest
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[jgmac1106] I bookmark the start of some convos...no clear way to mark end
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Jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Jeremycherfas With the wonderful weather here this past weekend, I was glad that the chats were quite quiet.
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[jgmac1106] Nice to visit the same spot by a stream and not worry what the current washed by already
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[jgmac1106] Though always wanted to plav with Nicholas Carr idea of the "shallows" pretentious privileged dribble IMO and either use tidal pools teaming with life or a lock and canal metaphor
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[cleverdevil] Hello, IndieWeb 🙂
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[tantek] I put a call to action banner at the top of my site Tantek.com and posted briefly about it: https://tantek.com/2019/083/t1/europeans-no-article17-article13
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Europeans! (yes you too UK folks)
Call your MEP to vote NO on #CopyrightDirective #Article17 (ex. #Article13)!
See @EFF thread & instructions
https://twitter.com/EFF/status/1109737081478119424
#SaveYourInternet
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Jeremycherfas !tell [tantek] I wrote to both local MEPs for London and got a reply from one, pointing me to his earlier vote http://syedkamall.co.uk/why-i-voted-against-article-11-and-article-13-today/ I expressed the hope that he would maintain his opposition this week.
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Jeremycherfas Headliner?
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Jeremycherfas Sure
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Jeremycherfas Oh, that's much more complicated. Hang on.
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Jeremycherfas That's the one. On github. Called audiogram.
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Jeremycherfas I used it, and so did (does?) schmarty, but it is not nearly as easy.
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Loqi An audiogram is a video clip where the primary content is the audio, and is accompanied by a visual aspect, usually a graphical representation of the waveform, the text of what is being spoken, or a still photo of the person speaking https://indieweb.org/audiogram
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sknebel audiogram << https://github.com/BBC-News-Labs/audiogram
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/BBC-News-Labs/audiogram" to the "See Also" section of /audiogram https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=58553&oldid=40588
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Jeremycherfas Thanks sknebel. Had to step away for a minute.
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[jgmac1106] !tell jeremycherfas snipcart does a $10 monthly fee if sales under 500, so there is 120 annual cost....or you have to remember to activate and deactivate the account
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benfrancis Hi. When self-hosting web applications like MediaWiki, NextCloud, Ampache etc. on a home server, do people here prefer to manually install via .tar.gz packages, install via your distro's package manager (e.g. apt, rpm) or some kind of container-like solution like snap or docker?
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benfrancis I find that self-hosting and updating web applications like wordpress, trac, drupal etc. on my websites each app seems to roll their own update process and they're a nightmare to keep updated. In the past I've used .deb packages, but they always seem to be very out of date.
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Loqi UBOS (pronounced You-Boss) is a new Linux distro that makes it much simpler to install and maintain indie web and IoT applications on physical servers, cloud servers and devices such as as the Raspberry Pi https://indieweb.org/UBOS
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[tantek] Already supports keeping WordPress, MediaWiki, NextCloud update according to https://indieweb.org/UBOS#Features
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benfrancis What packaging system is UBOS based on?
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benfrancis Looks like it is a derivative of Arch?
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benfrancis I recently installed Nextcloud on Ubuntu Server and as an experiment I tried the Snap package. Snap is cool in many ways as it isolates each app and its dependencies and provides a nice update mechanism, but it also results in a lot of duplicated dependencies and there really aren't that many packages available.
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benfrancis On other servers I have a mixture of .deb packages (on Debian/Ubuntu) and manual installs from tarballs. All of which have proved a real pain to keep updated over the last 10 years or so.
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benfrancis I was already aware of UBOS because Johannes has been trying to package the Things Gateway app I work on for that distro, but I will take a closer look.
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benfrancis I'm interested in developing a more intuitive web interface (as opposed to command line interface) for installing these kinds of applications. Kind of like cpanel, but for home servers.
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benfrancis Noted.
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[cleverdevil] Wow, PWA support in iOS 12.2 is *vastly* improved.
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[cleverdevil] Together works like a *champ* now.
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[borismus] what’s together?
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KartikPrabhu what is together
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Loqi Together is a reader that was initially conceived at the 2017 IndieWeb Summit in Portland by Jonathan LaCour and several others during the Putting it all together session https://indieweb.org/together
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doubleloop benfrancis: have you looked at freedombone? (https://freedombone.net/) based on .deb, has a minimal web interface.
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[cleverdevil] [aaronpk] here is a rundown from earlier in the beta - https://medium.com/@firt/pwas-on-ios-12-2-beta-the-good-the-bad-and-the-not-sure-yet-if-good-a37b6fa6afbf
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[cleverdevil] The major one that enabled Together to work was proper handling of external links. Before, you could add Together to your home screen, but it wouldn't let you authenticate, because it would kick you out to Safari during the process.
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[cleverdevil] It doesn't do that anymore.
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[cleverdevil] In addition, things feel way snappier, state management seems smarter, and things just work smoother in generral.
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[cleverdevil] Honestly, Together feels pretty great on iOS now 🙂
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sknebel 720 minutes until good morning! vHWC EU participants, please vote for timeslots that fit your schedules: https://indieweb.org/User:Www.svenknebel.de/vHWC-timeslots
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "quote reply" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "quote reply is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Loqi A quotation is a type of response post that is primarily a subset of the contents of another post, and often has a citation of that other post https://indieweb.org/quotation
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[tantek] quote reply is /quotation
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MorningMoon If I had to pick one format to expose a consumable feed, what would it be?
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MorningMoon I'm not sure I understand the point of JF2feed, JSON feed, etc. RSS2.0 enjoys wide support, it seems easier to just extend RSS2 than further divide the already balkanized feed landscape.
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MorningMoon Atom specifically has support for extending it with new fields. So JF2 and JSON feed seem to be destructive in terms of the ecosystem.
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MorningMoon I'm currently planning on exposing Atom.
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MorningMoon How does it fail in practice?
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MorningMoon I just don't get what JF2 seeks to solve
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