#indieweb 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 UTC
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techlifeweb Does anyone know if Instagram is broken? That is, I have a rel=me pointed there and a link back but in testing indiewebify.me it says there is no link back.
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techlifeweb Brid.gy also says "No Instagram profile found. Please add an Instagram rel-me link, then try again."
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snarfed techlifeweb: i'll look. i don't see an instagram link in your h-card on https://techlifeweb.com/ , but i do see the rel-me instagram link
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snarfed your instagram bridgy user page looks ok though anyway. https://brid.gy/instagram/techlifeweb
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techlifeweb hmmm let me check my hcard again...maybe I deleted by accident
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techlifeweb probably and h-card issue...some how I think Im getting one I didn't plan on as well as one I made. Probably Jetpack related or something
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[audioundergroun morning morning 🙂
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sknebel Morning!
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Loqi happy day
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[Rose] Hello world
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Rounin Hi all...
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Rounin I'm very new here, so please go easy on me if I make any mistakes (I'll try not to)
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Rounin I came across IndieWeb yesterday after reading the Jeffrey Zeldman article on AListApart. I've no idea how I've managed to go this long without every stumbling across IndieWeb... has it been going since 2014? Or is it even older than that?
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Zegnat Hi Rounin! Welcome! It is very hard to make mistakes here, so all should be fine :)
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Rounin Cool, thanks, glad to hear it, Zegnat :-D
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Zegnat According to /timeline the first event planning for IndieWebCamp started at the end of 2010
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Rounin Aha. Good to know. Thanks. That helps me contextualise everything here a little bit.
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Zegnat What is timeline?
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Loqi The timeline briefly documents key IndieWeb (and influencing thereof) terms/ideas/concepts, implementations, specifications, events, and other achievements; people involved, and dates/URLs for each https://indieweb.org/timeline
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Zegnat Lots of things there ^^^
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Rounin So... just from what I was reading yesterday and getting my head around... I came across what appears to be a fairly well established "insider" term #selfdogfooding which has been used for a long time, but it's pretty opaque to a new user and there was certainly some discussion about what might be used instead... Tantek Celik was recommending something along the lines of Eat Your Cooking or similar (which I agree is less opaque, but its still slight ob
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Rounin I had to read a couple of pages several times to get my head around #selfdogfooding
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Zegnat What is selfdogfooding?
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Loqi selfdogfood is the act of using your own creations and depending on them personally yourself, beyond just self-testing or dogfooding a work project; on the IndieWeb, it means using your creations on your personal site as an aspect of your primary online identity, day to day https://indieweb.org/selfdogfooding
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Rounin So, I have just a small suggestion (and if it's rubbish and nobody wants to use it then no worries...)
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Zegnat All suggestions are always welcome, there is an entire brainstorm going on about improving the term: https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood#Brainstorming
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Rounin Some people in the discussion were looking for something analagous to #OwnYourData which, I agree, is pithy and has clarity and is immediately understandable from first reading
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Rounin And it seemed to me that the most analagous short term to #OwnYourData was... #UseYourApps
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Rounin So, I hope that might be useful. (And, if not then no worries! :-D )
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[jgmac1106] ues what you build is all I say
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[jgmac1106] use*
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Rounin That makes sense too :-D
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Rounin I have another (entirely unrelated) question...
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[Rose] Which is? 🙂
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Rounin Is IndieWeb working closely with Beaker Browser and the Dat Protocol?
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Rounin Because it seems to me like a perfect fit... the maker ethos of Beaker / Dat exactly parallels that of IndieWeb
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Rounin https://beakerbrowser.com/
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[Rose] what is beaker browser?
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Loqi Beaker is a browser supporting the Dat protocol, and notable as an example of making non-HTTP "distributed" protocols more user-friendly https://indieweb.org/Beaker_Browser
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[Rose] We definitely have a page on it, as you can see, which might be of interest to you 🙂
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Rounin Thank you. Wonderful.
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[jgmac1106] What is dat?
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Loqi Dat is a protocol for transferring files peer-to-peer https://indieweb.org/Dat
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[tantek] Hey Rounin - the founders of Beaker, Paul & Tara, participated in our most recent IndieWebCamp Austin in February: https://indieweb.org/2019/Austin see that for more info on discussion sessions, talks, videos etc.
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Rounin I am developing a CMS called Ashiva (parts of which are currently on GitHub) - when it's more finished I would very much like it to be entirely compatible with Beaker / Dat / IndieWeb
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[tantek] Great!
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[jgmac1106] awesome!!
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Rounin That's great to hear, Tantek :-D
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[tantek] Rounin, you're probably interested in the #indieweb-dev channel too for development specific discussions
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[jgmac1106] there was just a session in Berlin as well, and one at last year's Summit, a bunch of interest
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Rounin That's great - good to bump into you again, Tantek... the last time we did so was on Orkut in the mid-2000s (a loooong time ago! :-D )
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[tantek] whoa
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[jgmac1106] Rounin curious using the sanskirt meaning of ashiva like a "little mischief maker"
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Rounin Hahahahahahaha!
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Rounin I did not know that!
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Loqi hahaha
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Rounin "Ashiva" is from the Japanese "ashiba" - it means "scaffolding"
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[jgmac1106] well shiva in Hebrew is a 7 day wake for the Dead I think..figured that wasn't it
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[jgmac1106] ahhh that is awseome....
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[jgmac1106] as a teacher we use word scaffolding all the time
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Rounin When I checked on GitHub, there was already a project called "Ashiba"... but then I realised that in Japanese, "b" and "v" sound the same... so I could call my project "Ashiva" and then it would still sound like the word for scaffolding in Japanese.
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[jgmac1106] there was this project demoed at Summit very basic: https://glitch.com/~dat-quick-indieweb I have a fork soemewhere that spits out an h-card I will look for it (but that is more -dev)
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Rounin I then also realised (bonus) that it was seven years since my (first) web-based micro-business had ended... and since Shiva was Hebrew for the seven day wake, then marking that seven year mourning period by calling my new headline project "Ashiva" was nod to that too.
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Rounin Thank you, jgmac1106 - yes I will go to -dev if / when I need to introduce this more.
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Rounin The core goal of Ashiva is to make it straightforward to produce Progressive Web Apps, using W3 core technologies, on a mobile touchscreen (in theory at least - I don't imagine that spending an hour typing an article on a mobile phone screen is anyone's idea of fun...)
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Rounin I began the project with a much more modest vision back in 2016 and it's substantially complete now.
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Rounin I have used ES2015 modules to enable extensions through javascript modules
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[jgmac1106] What is Ashiva
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Ashiva" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Ashiva is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Rounin - stuff like PWAs, and especially what tools are built with, underlying technologies, W3C specs, ES modules etc. is exactly what the -dev channel is for 🙂
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[jgmac1106] Ashiva is a CMS in development by Rounin with the goal of creating Progressive web Apps using Dat and compatible with the IndieWeb.
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Loqi ok
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[jgmac1106] and now when you finish or if you want to document your progress there is a page for it
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[tantek] There's likely more people there who will participate on discussions of those kinds of technical subjects, and strategies for building things on such building blocks
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Rounin That's wonderful, jgmac1106 - thanks very much indeed :-D
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Rounin Hope you liked my #OwnYourData #UseYourApps suggestion for selfdogfooding, Tantek. No worries, if not. :-D Anyway, got to get back to work. All the best you guys. See you in a bit.
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[tantek] Rounin, OwnYourData is different from selfdogfooding - it's its own principle 🙂 https://indieweb.org/principles
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Zegnat selfdogfood << Alternative: #UseYourApps as a counterpart to #OwnYourData, trying to capture same snappyness and length
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Loqi ok, I added "Alternative: #UseYourApps as a counterpart to #OwnYourData, trying to capture same snappyness and length" to the "See Also" section of /selfdogfood https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=60838&oldid=58588
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Zegnat I think it was meant as something comparible to the self-explanatory OwnYourData, [tantek]. So should go in the brainstorm discussion about the selfdogfood term.
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GWG Morning
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Loqi good morning!
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[audioundergroun Does anyone have any fun, non-indieweb related integrations on their site? I have some Habatica (a RPG gamification task list) character stats on mine, no particular reason, I just like playing around with APIs 🙂
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Zegnat Isn’t everything IndieWeb once you put it on your site? :D
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[audioundergroun touche 😄
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Zegnat [eddie] and [cleverdevil] do some cool stuff with getting their play data from their Nintendo Switches to their site
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[audioundergroun oooo havent thought of that! *lookups up the switch API*
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[Rose] https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/13/5/code/
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[Rose] https://github.com/cleverdevil/switchpub
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Loqi [cleverdevil] switchpub: Code that I use to publish my Nintendo Switch activity to my website via reverse engineering the Switch Parental Controls API.
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[Rose] To get you started
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] nintendo-switch-importer.ts
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[Rose] Though more information on that should probably go to #dev 😛
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[audioundergroun Ta for that 🙂
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[Rose] A lot of people publish their podcast listening history after extracting the information from Overcast, and some people publish music history through scrobbling to last.fm and getting the data from there
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[audioundergroun Yeah, unfortunatly i stopped scrobbling a few years ago, but i guess this is as good as time as any to get back into ti!
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Zegnat What is Switch?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Switch" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Switch is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat What is Nintendo Switch?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Nintendo Switch" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Nintendo Switch is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Nintendo Switch is a gaming console by Nintendo. Some people track their play time on the machine on their own websites.
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Nintendo Switch << https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/13/5/code/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/13/5/code/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Nintendo_Switch https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=60853&oldid=60852
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Zegnat Nintendo Switch << https://github.com/cleverdevil/switchpub
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/cleverdevil/switchpub" to the "See Also" section of /Nintendo_Switch https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=60854&oldid=60853
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Loqi [cleverdevil] switchpub: Code that I use to publish my Nintendo Switch activity to my website via reverse engineering the Switch Parental Controls API.
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[Rose] Switch is /Nintendo_Switch
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Loqi ok
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[Rose] Nintendo Switch << https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/12/13/photo/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/12/13/photo/" to the "See Also" section of /Nintendo_Switch https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=60856&oldid=60854
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] I'm pretty excited! Today I rolled out "Play posts" on my website. After watching traffic between the Nintendo Switch Parental App on iOS, I was able to utilize the API calls to write a script that runs periodically and creates Play posts on my websi... https://eddiehinkle.com/media/b1b5fd7f2bfabfdb0fa4004d7bcfc947.png
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Zegnat Thought it better to start collecting those links on the wiki instead of in the chat logs :)
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[Rose] They were on my profile too 😛
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Zegnat Hahaha, so the next best thing when Loqi doesn’t know is to run Who is Rose?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Rosemaryorchard.com
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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Zegnat Eeeh, Loqi, why did you answer there?
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[tantek] because you said Hahaha
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[tantek] what is PESOS
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Loqi PESOS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site https://indieweb.org/pesos
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[tantek] Zegnat, [Rose] presumably that's what you mean above with those examples? ^^^
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[Rose] For the Switch stuff? Yes, ish.
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Zegnat [tantek], I was wondering more about the fact it responded to who is at the end of a running sentence
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[Rose] More "Hack it to get it out and syndicate to your own site"
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[tantek] that still counts
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[tantek] maybe start a Brainstorming / PESOS section on /Switch etc. where you have data you want to extract / display on your own site
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[Rose] That would be a good idea
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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[manton] Catching up on the Bokeh discussion... I talked to him a few times before the Kickstarter and encouraged a few specific IndieWeb-related features, which is probably why it has a Micro.blog-like description right now. I think the project would benefit a lot from more feedback from this community while it's still in the concept phase.
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[tantek] manton++ that's great that you reached out! Thank you!
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Loqi manton has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (59 in all channels)
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[Rose] Yay! I kind of want to invite him to an online discussion of some kind via video, but I'm a little concerned it'll feel like we're telling him want to do.
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Loqi yay!
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aaronpk maybe we could invite him to an upcoming indiewebcamp?
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[Rose] Definitely a good idea, I wonder where he's based.
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[Rose] Oceanside, CA, according to the footer on the website
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aaronpk short hop to Portland!
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[Rose] Shorter hop to WWDC and the micro.blog meetup though...
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aaronpk good point
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[Rose] But he should definitely be invited to the Summit I think
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[manton] Great idea to invite him to an IndieWebCamp. Or yeah, if he plans to be in the San Jose area around WWDC that would be fantastic too.
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[Rose] https://micro.blog/rosemaryorchard/3495879
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Loqi [rosemaryorchard] @smith Are you planning on attending the Micro.Blog meetup at WWDC? Or going to IndieWeb Summit in Portland? I'm sure lots of people there would love to hear about Bokeh!
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[Rose] (The fact that unfortunately I won't be at either of those events in person is beside the point 🤣 )
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[manton] Thanks for mentioning the meetup! And good luck to your meetup too... I've heard from at least one person who is going to try to drop by both meetups! 🙂
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[manton] In addition to kind of baseline IndieWeb support in Bokeh (which to me means domain names, Micropub, Microformats...), I think it presents a good opportunity to talk about how private accounts fit into the IndieWeb world. I don't really have any good answers for that.
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aaronpk yeah that's still very much in progress work https://indieweb.org/private_posts
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sknebel still wonders what to do to get people to try to implement AutoAuth instead of saying "sounds cool" :D
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aaronpk a recent minor incident has pushed me to make this a higher priority for myself though
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[Rose] Thanks Manton, I'm sure we'll have some folks who want to attend both - I know I do! Though as I'm hosting one I think I really can't 😛
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[eddie] sknebel I have AutoAuth half implemented if that counts 😆 Hoping to finish it before too long
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sknebel :D
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sknebel Maybe adding Readsupport to ekster or yarns might be an idea
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sknebel But again, not familiar with their codebases
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sknebel Webmention.io had support for private WMs with the previous approach
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[eddie] Yeah, I definitely think getting it in a couple plugins, libraries or services would be huge
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sknebel Need to review what auth endpoints people are using again
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sknebel Maybe I'm missing a candidate there
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[eddie] I think the primary endpoints are IndieAuth.com and Wordpress's IndieAuth Plugin from what I've seen in passing
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sknebel Yeah
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sknebel I guess adding it to WP auth would be unlikely to break anything for people that don't use autoauth
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sknebel Kind of the problem with experimental specs
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[eddie] hmmm => dev?
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sknebel Ok
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pstuifzand @sknebel what is read support?
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sknebel pstuifzand: AutoAuth is an extension for IndieAuth with which a feed reader could follow a protected feed and see private posts
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pstuifzand I'm reading the spec now
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[Rose] Aaron, I want to pick your brains this weekend about travel data! It's on my list of session ideas.
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aaronpk i just made some recent changes to how I handle that so that'd be a fun session!
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[Rose] Excellent! I also want to figure out how to replace Glympse.
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aaronpk me too!
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[Rose] Ooh, this session will be fun.
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aaronpk I mean I technically know how since I essentially built a competitor to them years ago ;-)
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[Rose] Maybe one session on location data and one on travel data is called for.
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aaronpk i think those should be separate sessions actually
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aaronpk they are very different problems
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[Rose] Oh, do you have a repo? I'd love to see some code.
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[Rose] Yup.
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aaronpk RIP geoloqi https://github.com/geoloqi
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aaronpk not all of it was open source
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[Rose] Thanks!
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aaronpk i've been thinking about how best to add that kind of feature using Compass though
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[Rose] It's a start of course.
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[Rose] I want to do something through Compass too. Maybe as an extra module you can turn on.
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aaronpk sounds like an excellent session
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sknebel the KDE project has extractors for trip information from booking confirmation/ticket emails. been meaning to play with that
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[Rose] What is KDE?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "KDE" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "KDE is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[Rose] I already use TripIt to extract my trip information, and that shares with people, so I just need an export from there.
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[Rose] I'd love to make a thing which turns trips into a collection, and each part into a post, or maybe just one post per trip which gets updated as each part is completed.
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sknebel KDE as in the the projects around the linux desktop environment of the same name, it's a plugin to their email program/companion mobile app
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[Rose] Ahh, of course.
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kisik21 Ugh, I wanna edit the wiki but my site is down for almost several months so I can't do it since IndieAuth is down :3
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kisik21 Anyone ever used IFTTT to PESOS Instagram posts? How reliable is this?
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kisik21 Because seemingly Instagram provides IFTTT triggers for "Any New Post by You"
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kisik21 and this feels like a good opportunity for OwnYourGram alternative :3
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GWG Wishes he was in Dusseldorf for travel sessions
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