#indieweb 2019-05-10

2019-05-10 UTC
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[chrisaldrich] !tell kisik21 I use IFTTT to PESOS some data to my site and find it pretty reliable. You may want to be careful with high velocity posting cases where I've seen issues in the past and some data gets missed.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[xavierroy] !tell kisik21 Zapier is also a good option. I use a free tier to handle some complex workflows and IFTTT for simpler workflows
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel petermolnar: did you look into IFTTT/Zapier for Instagram stuff? see kisik21's question above
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[frank] Is there a specific reason why there is only an IndieWebCamp logo and not a specific IndieWeb logo/signage?
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[tantek] -> meta
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[Rose] I have noticed the same issue as you in quill [frank] - the latest photo showing. I'll ask Aaron about it this weekend if he doesn't reply before then
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GWG I can answer that
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GWG Quill queries for the last photo
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GWG It is a feature
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[tantek] I really need a better UI for keeping a big list of draft posts organized
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[tantek] right now I just braindump them all into a text file, which makes it hard to find a specific post when you want to iterate on it, and hard to find a set of related posts when you want to split / merge one or more posts into one or more related posts
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GWG [Rose]: https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/10 Should explain
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Loqi [dshanske] #10 q=last on media endpoint
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[frank] @GWG Why is it a feature? The most common usecase for Quill is "write something new". Why would you want to have the last photo in the editor?
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[tantek] I kinda want a three pane view where there's a top horizontal pane that's a search box, with a list of hashtags underneath in descending order of frequency (most to least frequent in existing drafts), and clicking them adds them to the search filter. panes 2 & 3 are side-by-side and are the classic list of drafts vs content view of a draft (or multiple if you select a range on the list side)
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[tantek] borderline dev discussion however since it's UI I figured I'd start here
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GWG I would defer to aaronpk on why. But aaronpk didn't clarify till after I added it to WordPress that his implementation only pulls photos from the last five minutes
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[frank] [tantek] isn't nvAlt a possible solution for this? https://brettterpstra.com/projects/nvalt/
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[frank] @GWG Hmm.... It just takes the last photo from my WP backend. Even if it's a few hours or days old. Let's check with Aaron
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GWG So the WordPress one literally pulls the last uploaded image
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GWG You can comment on the issue I cited if you believe it should be a shorter duration
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[tantek] [frank] yes Notational Velocity is close to what I want. Having the automatic surfacing of frequent hashtags would be a big help for me though, instead of having to think of what to search for to bring up the "set" of things that are related. Also I'm very "note only" biased now, this part of many posting UIs trips me up / slows me down: "If you’re creating a new note, you just *type a unique title* and press enter"
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[tantek] I'll cite it in my brainstorming, thanks for the tip!
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[Rose] There's a new version of Notational Velocity, with a new name
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[Rose] https://brettterpstra.com/2019/04/10/codename-nvultra/
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[Rose] I should get Alpha access pretty soon, I can see if it does what you want
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[tantek] I captured my drafts UI brainstorm: https://indieweb.org/draft#UI_for_many_drafts
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aaronpk NVAlt++
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Loqi NVAlt has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] Is it open source?
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[Rose] Nv was
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[jgmac1106] don't think so
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[kevinmarks] tantek, that sounds like the facets UI that Datasette builds by default
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[jgmac1106] the licesnse in nv is all rights: https://github.com/ttscoff/nv/blob/master/License.txt
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[kevinmarks] https://24ways.org/2018/fast-autocomplete-search-for-your-website/
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[jgmac1106] but allows for redistribution
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[jgmac1106] so I guess so, cool
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[kevinmarks] wow https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1126791124197285888
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@tom_watson Imagine there was a friendly algorithm who helped us celebrate birthdays and anniversaries with our nearest and dearest. Then imagine that friendly algorithm grew so big and so lost perspective it started celebrating terrorist atrocities. Facebook 2019. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48217827 (twitter.com/_/status/1126791124197285888)
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[tantek] seriously I cannot just keep putting this material in my talk
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[kevinmarks] original paper: https://www.whistleblowers.org/whistleblower-petition-to-sec-facebook-is-misleading-shareholders-about-terror-and-hate-content-on-its-website/
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[kevinmarks] (Tom is deputy leader of the Labour party and one of the few MPs who has a grasp on tech)
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[tantek] whoa
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[kevinmarks] Former Deputy Prime Minister OTOH https://twitter.com/ZephyrTeachout/status/1126546999577382917
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@ZephyrTeachout Zuckerberg: To rebut the claim I am too powerful, I will have the former UK Deputy Prime Minister publicly disavow his prior anti-monopoly stance (now that he is paid by me) and promise to meet with other world leaders to painstakingly tell them what regulation suits me best. https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/1126528502210154497 (twitter.com/_/status/1126546999577382917)
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[tantek] [aaronpk] as an NV / NValt fan - do you think if would benefit from Micropub support? Would/could it be a good Micropub client? Maybe consider adding a feature request? https://github.com/ttscoff/nv/issues
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aaronpk part of what i like about it is that it is explicitly just a text file editor
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aaronpk i'm not sure how it would work into my workflow for posting stuff to my site
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[kevinmarks] like todo.txt was?
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aaronpk what no
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jeremycherfas Good Morning IW
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jeremycherfas !tell [tantek] The Archive is a note app very like nvALT that has saved searches that are very useful when looking for specific tags. Not sure it could do dynamic sorting of tags, but until Ultra comes out I'm making a lot of use of it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[kevinmarks786] https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1126542913511407616?s=20
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[tantek] Twitter << View tweet video MP4: http://twittervideodownloader.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "View tweet video MP4: http://twittervideodownloader.com/" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=60954&oldid=60811
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[frank] what is privacy
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[frank] oh loqi...
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Loqi Privacy is “the ability of an individual or group to seclude themselves or information about themselves and thereby express themselves selectively” https://indieweb.org/privacy
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[frank] privacy << 2019-05-10 Kevin Marks tries to read an article on privacy in private mode.... https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1126542913511407616?s=20
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@mmasnick Trying to read the @nytimes new articles on how social media is destroying our privacy, but I keep bumping up against the @nytimes telling me I can't read them if I want to keep my privacy. 🤔 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6JIw5_V4AEAlir.png (twitter.com/_/status/1126542913511407616)
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-05-10 Kevin Marks tries to read an article on privacy in private mode.... https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1126542913511407616?s=20" to the "See Also" section of /privacy https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=60958&oldid=59323
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jackjamieson I made a post that should be syndicated to indieweb.xyz/en/bookclub, but it hasn't shown up. Does anyone have advice for troubleshooting? The post is https://jackjamieson.net/5381-2/
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Loqi [Jack Jamieson] IndieWeb Book Club: Ruined By Design (BoffoSocko) I’ve been wanting to read Mike Monteiro’s Ruined By Design, so I’m happy that @chrisaldrich suggested this book for an IndieWeb Book Club. My first impression (based on the publisher’s blurb...
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jackjamieson I verified that webmentions are working (plus also submitted the post manually). Also checked the mf2 structure with pin13.net, and it seems accurate to me
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[chrisaldrich] [jackjamieson] sometimes I'll use http://sendawebmention.com manually to check for simple errors. Also sometimes I've seen xyz have a delay of posting depending on whether there was or wasn't a trailing slash on the stub
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jackjamieson chrisaldrich - Thanks! I just tried with sendawebmention.com. The status is accepted, but not showing up yet
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jackjamieson Actually, it should also have been sent as a reply to your post https://boffosocko.com/2019/05/04/indieweb-book-club-ruined-by-design/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWebCamp Berlin 2019 | Calum Ryan" https://calumryan.com/blog/indiewebcamp-berlin-2019/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2019/05/10/34/)
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