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# 07:47 [Rose] We've just set it up, red, orange, and yellow rooms, each has a device to stream. # 07:49 [Rose] I lied, we're still settings up the main room. And by we I mean Aaron # 07:50 cowglow okay, are the streams going to YouTube? or another service? # 07:50 [Rose] They should be going to YouTube, if all goes to plan. But we're definitely using Zoom. The intros will not be on Zoom though bot52 joined the channel
# 07:51 [Rose] (Intros straight to YouTube, whereas everything else is going through Zoom) botka joined the channel
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# 07:59 [Rose] And we are (somewhat) live! As in, the YouTube stream is live, we're just not actually putting something on it yet botka joined the channel
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# 08:02 Zegnat grabs secondary phone and makes it a stream screen device for the day # 08:03 Zegnat Oh, screen doesn't stay awake for this. Hmm... botka joined the channel
# 08:04 [Rose] Hmmm, it will if you use Zoom for the later sessions # 08:04 [Rose] (You may want to go ahead and install the app now) # 08:05 Zegnat It might be because I do not have YouTube installed and the webview doesn't keep the screen awake? Not sure. # 08:05 [Rose] iPhone? I think video always keeps the screen awake nitot joined the channel
# 08:06 Zegnat iPhone. Webview from Slack. Full screen once the YouTube video was going. # 08:06 Zegnat Screen will dim after a bit and then turn off. bot58 joined the channel
# 08:06 [Rose] Oh, try opening it in Safari instead of the In Ap\p Safari Viewer botka joined the channel
# 08:11 Zegnat Alright, time to get started on breakfast. I'll have an eye on stream and chat. Have fun everyone! bot60, botka and bot62 joined the channel
# 08:18 Zegnat I see familiar faces, and people who I think may be familiar faces but aren't clear enough... Haha # 08:19 Zegnat I don't think so? I'm mostly guessing attendees botka joined the channel
# 08:22 [Rose] Code of Conduct and Photo Policy being covered bot64 joined the channel
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# 08:25 [Rose] Jeremy Keith (adactio.com) has been volunteered to deliver the keynote toay botka joined the channel
# 08:26 [Rose] Thanks to Sipgate for the location, and Google (through Jonas) for the food! [tantek] joined the channel
# 08:27 [tantek] adactio: "This whole IndieWeb thing. What's this all about?" # 08:27 Zegnat I am watching but yes, breakfast still for the next 10 min or so # 08:28 [tantek] Having your own website is good for many reasons. Sense of control # 08:28 [Rose] So, IndieWeb is about having your own website, vs pitching your tent in someone else's back garden. # 08:28 [Rose] Facebook and other social media sites choose what to show to your friends and when to share it, your website is under your control # 08:28 [Rose] Step 1: Buy (rent) your own domain, put something on it. Then you're part of the IndieWeb # 08:29 [Rose] Step 2: Little improvements, making use of the reach you can get from other services - so you're not isolated. # 08:29 [Rose] Use building blocks, first off: edit your HTML bot66 joined the channel
# 08:31 [Rose] This can let you do fun things, like log into the indieweb wiki # 08:31 sebsel with rel="me", he can link to his Github profile # 08:32 sebsel which enables him to piggyback on the existing OAuth of Github # 08:32 Zegnat (My stream is still on example one, login to wiki) # 08:33 Zegnat (So my note taking won't be any good as I'll be a minute or two behind.) # 08:33 sebsel thanks to microformats, his blog is able to parse blogposts that link to him # 08:33 [Rose] He has comments from other people's sites, and Twitter botka joined the channel
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# 08:34 [Rose] Gives your website an API, allowing you to post. # 08:35 sebsel Able to accept posts from Swarm, thanks to a piece of software by aaronpk OwnYourSwarm, which also uses Microsub # 08:35 [Rose] Here's a post he made on Swarm, that went through ownyourswam.p3k.io which posts to his website through micripbu # 08:36 [Rose] PESOS: Publish elsewhere and syndicate on your own site # 08:36 [Rose] Some cases you have to do that, such as Instagram. bot68 joined the channel
# 08:36 [Rose] You can also POSSE: Publish on your own site and syndicate elsewhere # 08:36 [Rose] So Jeremy syndicated a note, to Twitter. And then the responses come back through Bridgy # 08:37 sebsel up to adding services and backend stuff like Micropub # 08:38 [Rose] Don't worry if you don't have any ideas right now, there will be plenty of ideas coming up! # 08:38 [Rose] (Editorial note: I have a list on my profile I'll be maintaining, you are welcome to "borrow" ideas!) maze[m] joined the channel
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# 08:41 Zegnat Yeah, sound was better for adactio than tantek. But thought it was because I switched from phone to laptop # 08:42 [Rose] Because we're handing off the microphone so much now so it's hard to attach to people # 08:42 sebsel meanwhile tantek is showing his theme switcher # 08:42 sebsel you can use the emoji in his sidebar to switch between normal mode and terminal mode # 08:43 [Rose] Recent feature: fun with emoji, profile picture might change to a different picture depending on the emoji used in the post. bot70 joined the channel
# 08:45 [Rose] Hasn't worked on his site for a while, it's typo3 based. # 08:48 Zegnat (Julie is still writing her domain, [Rose] tells me who is up next) # 08:48 [Rose] Next up: A guy with a cool sounding name I will spell wrong # 08:49 [Rose] Needs to get his website sorted out, lots of IW spirit ideas, even if they're not quite compatible. botka joined the channel
# 08:49 [Rose] Wants to turn these cool things into IW compatible stuff) # 08:50 [Rose] He recently moved servers, it's invisible but still lots of work # 08:50 cowglow Thanks for the link over at the YT LiveStream chat.. i # 08:51 Loqi [sebsel] has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels) bot72 joined the channel
# 08:52 [Rose] Hosted on tumblr, but is keen to move somewhere else # 08:53 [Rose] Using Drupal, because she likes storing her own data # 08:54 GWG How many people are in attendance, out of curiosity # 08:54 sebsel uses human readable URLs for things, like sonniesadge.net/bookmarks for bookmarks botka joined the channel
# 08:54 [Rose] Plus the Videographer who is lurking somewhere # 08:55 [Rose] Charlie likes Drupal, because it has great JSON options. # 08:55 [Rose] Wants to make a static site of out her Drupal data, # 08:56 [Rose] He has a domain! And notes in a trello board, but no website yet. # 08:56 [Rose] He, and Charlie before him, want to use Eleventy # 08:57 Zegnat (Charlie wants to specifically pick the brain of Zach Leatherman) # 08:58 [Rose] His website works for him, though he wouldn't share it (I presume the CMS), # 08:58 [Rose] His challenge for this weekend: to import 12 year old blog posts into Known, and then perhaps to try and theme it bot74 joined the channel
# 08:59 sebsel says "does not do IndieWeb stuff", tantek points out: "you have a site, that's indieweb" # 09:00 Zegnat (Zach for some reason does not sound like he does in my head. Always cool.) # 09:00 Zegnat (So, yeah, stream is easily an entire person behind.) # 09:00 sebsel Zegnat: patience Zegnat, we can't get the stream to go faster now ;) # 09:01 [Rose] Probably had ownyourgram set up, it was showing his instagram posts # 09:01 [Rose] EVeryone who wanted to intro has now done so! botka joined the channel
# 09:03 Zegnat really wants Aaron and Tantek to work on some sort of duo act bot76 joined the channel
# 09:06 Zegnat Anything really, GWG. I just knew intros were over as soon as they appeared side-by-side ;) botka joined the channel
# 09:11 GWG Looking forward to seeing the grid then bot78, dazinism, Guest74108, agentofuser[m], is0x3F, Salt[m], camb[m], afrogeek[m], ElMago[m], edrex, hotzeplotz[m], ejfox, Dan[m], plindner[m], astrojuanlu[m], M0x1C3B00DA[m], Matthew[m], ishj1984[m], mxuribe[m], pniedzielski[m], wakest[m], maze[m]1, JulianF_, grantcodes[m], zoglesby, Guest37072, Rixon, PierreOzoux[m], myfreeweb, jgmac1106[m], voss[m], taoxvx, perflyst[m], jamietanna|wwwjv, Mikaela[m], ketudb[m], CaseD[m], adamz[m], faulteh, jaduncan[m], xananax[m], isgy[m], rhgg[m], nellkate1[m], ketudb[m]1, jfkimmes[m]1, wjh[m], glenn[m]2, mnzaki[m], steven[m]3 and cambridgeport90[ joined the channel
# 09:16 cowglow Okay guys, great to have bene able to see the demos botka, bot80, catsup, bot82, [jgmac1106] and [frank] joined the channel
# 09:30 [frank] Great to see Dusseldorf kick off like that. I look forward to more etherpads, demos and funny typos. And maybe some fashion-comments 😂😂 bot84 joined the channel
# 09:34 Zegnat [frank]: all of this, and more, will be heading your way next week! botka joined the channel
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# 09:37 [tantek] we need help transcribing the session grid to the wiki botka and bot88 joined the channel
# 09:49 Zegnat Yes. Because I see Rose talking in the URL one # 09:50 GWG Red isn't on Zoom that I can find. botka joined the channel
# 09:51 Zegnat aaronpk, [Rose], [tantek], sebsel: anyone know if Zoom was going live in Red or no? If no: I will remove the links # 09:53 Zegnat Zoom iPad does not have microphone control, so I have no idea if the room can hear me xD [Ignacio] joined the channel
# 09:54 [Ignacio] Hi everyone, I’m following the stream from Barcelona 😍 bot90, botka and bot92 joined the channel
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# 10:46 Loqi mobile, in the context of the indieweb could refer to use of a mobile device (phone or iPod touch), mobile apps, mobile use-cases, or a site being mobile friendly https://indieweb.org/mobile bo108, botka, bo110 and bo112 joined the channel
# 11:07 Zegnat So: Zoom on iPad is really working well for me. I drop out of a meeting, back to the schedule grid, click the next link I want to attend, and just wait for someone to start the new meeting in the room :D # 11:08 Zegnat Just not sure how I can communicate with the room. Doesn’t look like I can through Zoom? # 11:09 Zegnat I don’t think anyone in the room is actively monitoring Zoom. I also tried writing in the Zoom chat at one point bo114 joined the channel
# 11:10 Zegnat I guess I am just moving with sebsel and [Rose] today.... [Rose] joined the channel
# 11:12 [Rose] The iPads we're using don't show us when someone raises their hand botka joined the channel
# 11:14 GWG Then we definitely need to figure out the remote part of remote participation bo116 joined the channel
# 11:19 GWG The passive experience of zoom is very good. botka joined the channel
# 11:23 GWG [Rose]: I'm still a little confused about how you trigger a trip, as I'm not using the paired iOS app. # 11:25 [Rose] Well, my trips are not working right now, so I'll debug later bo118, botka, bo120, bo122, rEnr3n and bo124 joined the channel
# 11:44 GWG I missed this page with an example of the properties it uses. I think I can improve my post. kisik21, botka, bo126 and rEnr3n2 joined the channel
# 11:56 Zegnat Schedule says lunch in DUS now! But do not forget the group photo people! :D # 11:57 GWG I'm trying to simplify the display code, because it is too tangled for me to style it right now. bo128, botka, bo130, gxt, nitot and mblaney joined the channel
# 12:09 mblaney zachleat.com... that's the craziest hamburger menu I've seen. bo132, botka, bo134, bo136, chimo, bo138, nitot, bo140, [tantek], bo142, bo144 and bo146 joined the channel
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# 13:10 [tantek] doing storage is hard, and making storage tradeoffs is hard bo148, botka and bo150 joined the channel
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# 13:52 aaronpk fyi we switched the way we're handling zoom and if you join the meeting you will be able to unmute yourself to speak up now botka joined the channel
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# 14:39 Zegnat Turns out this has given me an idea for several hackday projects. botka joined the channel
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# 14:45 Zegnat GWG: the trips idea with nested events made me think that matches the way I want to post in Bellhop, my little activity tracking thing # 14:45 Zegnat Because then I can auto generate reports of stuff, which is exactly what I want # 14:45 Zegnat I just never thought about making items nestable botka, bo176 and yoroy joined the channel
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# 14:52 Zegnat That was the most temporary of temporary streams wolftune and bo178 joined the channel
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# 14:59 jeremycherfas Surprises that required you to do something extra, possibly unexpected and undocumented. # 14:59 GWG jeremycherfas: Not specifically, though Simple Location supports Compass now bo180, gxt, botka, vivus, bo182, daf1, [voss], [Rose], bo184, bo186, bo188, bo190, bo192, bo194, pd09041999 and bo196 joined the channel
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# 16:47 [voss] [aaronpk] en route to Fleher Hof should be there in 30mins wolftune and bo214 joined the channel
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# 20:24 jacky I feel like I might have asked this before but I can't find the reference [Rose] joined the channel
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# 20:52 [tantek] jacky, we don't have a better replacement, though I believe are attempting brainstorming KartikPrabhu, yoroy, nitot, wolftune, [calumryan] and seekr joined the channel
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# 23:16 kisik21 So... if I want to start my site from scratch... Is it ok to break ALL of the permalinks? All of them! It might be a bit painful to implement redirects in the renderer because that may count as legacy code... # 23:16 Loqi kisik21: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 1 day, 15 hours ago: I use IFTTT to PESOS some data to my site and find it pretty reliable. You may want to be careful with high velocity posting cases where I've seen issues in the past and some data gets missed. # 23:16 Loqi kisik21: [xavierroy] left you a message 1 day, 15 hours ago: Zapier is also a good option. I use a free tier to handle some complex workflows and IFTTT for simpler workflows # 23:21 jacky kisik21: ideally you wouldn't want to break permalinks # 23:21 jacky I'm wrestling with the idea myself since I'm looking to have more "clean" URLs in the future KartikPrabhu joined the channel
# 23:59 kisik21 Question. For private posts, does one need to webmention people included in the post["properties"]["audience"] property? Does one need to link them, so they're visible? # 23:59 kisik21 Or this property is only for internal access control?
Kaja [youtube] new Indiewebcamp stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlkS6xP2Zk
[jeremycherfas] Morning everyone in DUS. So much traffic I think I will stay in Slack.
@fredbenenson Congratulations to @FastCoDesign for one of the most egregious examples of mobile cruft I’ve ever seen. It’s actually impressive how bad this is: the initial page load manages to display zero actual content https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6P6-hsUUAAWfh1.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1127020290947436545)
Loqi mobile, in the context of the indieweb could refer to use of a mobile device (phone or iPod touch), mobile apps, mobile use-cases, or a site being mobile friendly https://indieweb.org/mobile
[tantek] SSG CMS Hosting discussion is live https://etherpad.indieweb.org/ssgcms
GWG How does this test markup look? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwpdev.gwg.us%2F2019%2F05%2F04%2F6603%2F
aaronpk We are going to Fleher Hof - http://4sq.com/192ZyZH when they open at 6!
jacky should we consider this page deprecated? https://indieweb.org/generations