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# 00:08 KartikPrabhu kisik21: webmentioning without linking is not going to work. Since the reciever will have to verify the webmention which includes checking for a link # 00:09 kisik21 KartikPrabhu: anyway, should audience of the private post be visible to people viewing that post? # 00:10 kisik21 aaronpk: IIRC you have private post support in p3k. What's your opinion on this matter? electronicmaji, nitot, nickwarner, kisik21, daf1, MarcoZDe, mattl, distopico_, kyl, cambridgeport90[, grantcodes[m], ishj1984[m], KartikPrabhu, perflyst[m], adamz[m], wjh[m], nellkate1[m], Dan[m], Matthew[m], mnzaki[m], ElMago[m], glenn[m]2, Mikaela[m]10, ketudb[m]1, myfreeweb, hotzeplotz[m], jamietanna|wwwjv, PierreOzoux[m], ketudb[m], plindner[m], maze[m]1, dazinism, JulianF_, maze[m], wakest[m], ejfox, is0x3F, taoxvx, voss[m], rhgg[m], CaseD[m], mxuribe[m], Xananax[m], Guest37072, zoglesby, afrogeek[m], jfkimmes[m]1, M0x1C3B00DA[m], faulteh, jgmac1106[m], Rixon, agentofuser[m], Salt[m], camb[m], isgy[m], Guest74108, jaduncan[m], steven[m]3, astrojuanlu[m], pniedzielski[m], edrex and [eddie] joined the channel
# 02:44 [eddie] !tell kisik21 my private posts exist but people don’t have full access to them. But yes, in my websites current implementation a user can see who has access to that post # 02:44 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next slade401, daf1, scifi, sknebel, Ruxton, jacky, __number5__, bigbluehat, kants_ and sonicrocketman_ joined the channel
# 02:50 [eddie] !tell kisik21 at IWC this weekend they discussed private UIs and I see this in the notes. Looks like I’m gonna have to catch up on that session: “Do not share information about who a post is shared with, apart from the person reading it. # 02:50 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next # 02:50 [eddie] Maybe do tell them it isn’t exclusively visible to them.” # 02:52 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next nickwarner, rEnr3n2, gRegorLove, wolftune, pd09041999, nitot and [Rose] joined the channel
# 04:54 [Rose] I was in that session, basically it's a security thing - we don't want to leak that person A is in group 4, etc. distopico joined the channel
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# 05:21 [Rose] Small one: Create a post in WordPress for this trip, and then create sub posts and attach them to it. I also installed a "Leaflet Map" plugin last night, and would like to see if I can get the data from Compass to make a map for the trip. # 05:23 GWG Well, tell me if you have any ideas I might want to implement. Or talk you into a PR on # 05:26 GWG Sub posts of posts isn't a common thing in WordPress. # 05:27 GWG That field is usually used for pages # 05:29 [Rose] I've found numerous plugins, etc. Also -> WordPress nickwarner and [frank] joined the channel
# 06:05 [frank] Good morning Indieweb! First things first. I will run a 1/4 marathon this morning in Utrecht. Wish me luck. # 06:13 [Rose] Is it cheating to start hack day with a mini project done? 👼 # 06:13 [Rose] Be careful Frank, we need you in one piece for next weekend 😛 # 06:27 sebsel !tell kisik21 This is one of the things we talked about yesterday in the private post UI session. I hope the notes are good enough, but I might blog about some things I remember. Also: private posts are being figured out so there is no ‘correct’ answer # 06:27 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next [tantek] joined the channel
# 06:41 Loqi Zegnat has 38 karma in this channel over the last year (150 in all channels) # 06:52 [Rose] Zegnat++ again, because excellent note taking # 06:52 Loqi Zegnat has 39 karma in this channel over the last year (151 in all channels) yoroy, nitot, jnoh and jjuran joined the channel
# 08:00 Zegnat Turns out you don't need me to be physically available at events at all 😉 # 08:06 Zegnat Also: good morning IndieWeb, good morning Düsseldorf! # 08:08 sebsel Good morning Zegnat, on behalf of Düsseldorf ;) # 08:08 sebsel aaronpk, tantek and adactio are kicking off Day 2 # 08:09 Loqi In sebsel's timezone, Europe/Amsterdam, it is currently 10:09am on May 12 # 08:10 sebsel tantek explains the format: we talked yesterday, now go do stuff # 08:11 sebsel and say what you plans are, so other people know if they want / could collaborate # 08:18 sebsel people are noting down their plans on the wall [jeremycherfas] joined the channel
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# 12:27 Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2019-05-12 1:27pm UTC (#6553) adactio joined the channel
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# 13:20 sebsel and I have the small thing, and just 'finished' the big thing nickwarner joined the channel
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# 13:29 Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 2019-05-12 at 12:27pm UTC [Rose] joined the channel
# 13:31 GWG Is tantek frantically working again? electronicmaji joined the channel
# 13:34 Zegnat Says offline to me, and no song … am I doing it wrong? adactio joined the channel
# 13:36 Zegnat aaronpk congratulates everyone who made it to the end, and introduces how demos will work leg joined the channel
# 13:38 Zegnat aaronpk: expected to work on maps and location stuff, but got sidetracked # 13:39 Zegnat I’ll leave notes to you [Rose], I still am in the middle of aaronpks talk eli_oat joined the channel
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# 13:40 tantek_ Aaronpk started with a blank html site and got it working with IndieAuth and Microsub nitot joined the channel
# 13:41 Zegnat Oh. I thought [Rose] cut me off before. I guess I am more live than I thought! # 13:41 Zegnat aaronpk now has a post (featuring an iframe) that will show his live location for the next 6 hours, through /Compass # 13:42 Zegnat the dot will move when he moves around, currently pulling every 5 seconds # 13:42 [Rose] I didn't try to cut you off, sorry. I meant that Tantek finished his project early. # 13:42 Zegnat Yeah, get it now. Thought tantek may have gone up :D No problem! # 13:43 GWG I paid $0.99 to get an unofficial Twitch app for Roku as there is no longer an official one. So I could get it to the TV # 13:43 GWG I hope we use Twitch again for that reason # 13:44 [Rose] Apparently the stream should be back in a second. # 13:44 GWG I still have aaronpk. Guess there is a delay # 13:44 Zegnat 6 second lag with IRC. Seems like my internet died. Trying to fix # 13:45 [Rose] Jeremy told Tantek his icons were ugly on iOS, so Tantek switched to Unicode. # 13:48 [Rose] You can now log in using IndieAuth, and then the private post is shown. # 13:48 Loqi sebsel has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (17 in all channels) nickwarner joined the channel
# 13:48 sknebel remembers frantic private webmention fixes *during the demo* in Nürnberg 2 years ago :D # 13:48 [Rose] It had "privé" in the bottom right in bold, but wasn't very obvious it was private. # 13:49 [Rose] New version: Shows at the top, with a padlock icon # 13:49 [Rose] Says "shared with you and a few others" in Dutch # 13:49 [Rose] If it was just shared with you it would say "shared with you" mauz555 joined the channel
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# 13:55 [Rose] He's been working on adding IndieAuth, works when run as a script, but not in the browser # 13:56 [Rose] Yes, there's a young participant here, extremely enthusiastic 😆 # 13:57 [Rose] Realised there was no low level parser for Microformats # 14:04 [Rose] Wants to make things faster or smaller, and usable on any binary device. # 14:05 [Rose] Next up: Sonniesedge.net (after a battery change) # 14:05 [Rose] Please hold, your regularly scheduled demos will be with you shortly # 14:05 [Rose] Wanted to make her bookmarks more fun for services like Twitter # 14:06 [Rose] Is going to do a live demo, through her phone. # 14:08 [Rose] Has a cron job that would post this to twitter, running manually for today. # 14:10 sebsel so she changed themes today, to get microformats back nickwarner and nitot joined the channel
# 14:12 [Rose] But his icon is now cropped to a hexagon on his site! # 14:13 [Rose] Storing all webmentions in a mongoDB database! adactio and [tantek] joined the channel
# 14:14 Loqi aaronpk has 33 karma in this channel over the last year (235 in all channels) # 14:15 [Rose] He replied to Aaron's site, but he owns the reply! # 14:16 [Rose] Stretch goal was a bookmarklet to reply to tweets # 14:17 [Rose] He hasn't tested this yet, so it's a real demo! # 14:17 [Rose] Firefox bookmarklet doesn't work, but he has an extension to fix it. # 14:18 [Rose] He's now replying to sonniesedge.net's tweet with a reply # 14:18 [tantek] peer to peer AND syndicated threaded copies on Twitter!!! # 14:20 [Rose] Simplified the theming with one new styleguide mauz555 joined the channel
# 14:20 [Rose] (There were lots involved before, hence the shaving) # 14:21 [Rose] Nunchucks templating, and then twig templating in PHP wolftune joined the channel
# 14:21 [Rose] Feeds the twig with data from the Kirby back end # 14:22 [Rose] So he writes HTML, css, JS once, with the living style guide [voss] joined the channel
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# 14:24 [Rose] Worked well, apart from not having his usual development environment because he got a new machine # 14:26 [Rose] He likes the default template but wants to modify it sgreger joined the channel
# 14:27 [Rose] Polled twitter to see how often people change their phone number, to see if it would be good to use as your identity on the web. # 14:29 [Rose] Type your phone number, sends an SMS, you can use alternatives such as WhatsApp. # 14:29 [Rose] Other benefit: OS integration, such as macOS and iOS with SMS forwarding. # 14:30 [Rose] Downsides: costs money, which varies between country. # 14:31 [Rose] Might be simpler to replace two factor via SMS with a one time password via SMS electronicmaji joined the channel
# 14:31 [Rose] Wanted to add webmentions but got stuck with Rails 6 # 14:31 [Rose] Wanted service worker and to research tools and hosting for himself. # 14:32 [Rose] Added server workers to an existing project, using Jeremy Keith's minimum viable service workers script. # 14:33 [Rose] Wanted to make it a Progressive Web App, did icons, etc., [dmitshur] joined the channel
# 14:38 [Rose] Saw Bridgy supports Instagram, wanted to get the feedback # 14:38 [Rose] So photos are all together, and he has a facepile of likes! # 14:39 [Rose] Also wanted instapaper likes to syndicate back to sites which support webmentions. gxt joined the channel
# 14:45 [Rose] Extended the single html page for reading that Aaron worked on today # 14:45 [Rose] You can now clone the repo, and use the reader # 14:45 [Rose] You can get a JSON object out of what he's done. # 14:47 [Rose] Signed up to microsub, based on Aaron's demo! mauz555 joined the channel
# 14:49 [Rose] Can reply to Jeremy's reply to her, but it's not working in her live demo. # 14:51 [Rose] And Aaron does the last demo: Photos Julie took! nickwarner and wolftune joined the channel
# 15:06 Zegnat has mixed feelings about a deprecated service (indieauth.com) being put in the easy-starter-template wolftune joined the channel
# 15:41 aaronpk Same Zegnat but I don't have a replacement for it yet so I guess it's okay vivus, nitot, electronicmaji and [tantek] joined the channel
# 17:03 [tantek] Zegnat, I have similar feelings, potentially amplifying a bottleneck, etc. However I think there's kind of an urgency to make Indie /readers more accessible to more folks sooner # 17:07 [tantek] is there a way in Aperture to move a subscription from one Channel to another? [dmitshur] joined the channel
# 17:17 Loqi [aaronpk] #37 provide a UI to move a feed into a different channel # 17:18 [tantek] also when I type return in the "Add a Source" dialog it doesn't seem to submit it - I have to explicitly click "Find Feeds" - is this a known issue? I didn't find it the GH issues wolftune joined the channel
# 17:30 [tantek] Also in the "Add a Source" dialog after clicking "Find Feeds" it shows you a list of feeds (likely) but with no information to compare them other than the "format" some additional information could help users decided which of the options to subscribe to, e.g. number of items in each of the found feeds (similar to how it shows the # of items in the normal channel view) # 17:32 Zegnat Are those actions supposed to be done in Aperture or in a reader? # 17:32 sknebel presumably the interface in Aperture is more a backup and thus low-priority though, expecting you to normally use a reader for this? # 17:33 [Rose] If you try to subscribe to a website though, say a Squarespace one, it offers a JSON feed # 17:33 sknebel (the move-feature afaik isn't exposed in readers either) # 17:33 [Rose] However the JSON feed is not actually a real JSON feed - so unless you know it's a Squarespace site, and that squarespace JSON feeds don't work, and you pick it, you're working through try and error # 17:34 [Rose] Ideally, Aperture, and equivalent software, would let you preview the feed - even just the raw content. [schmarty] joined the channel
# 17:39 [tantek] the glowing yellow box-shadow on new items in Monocle is quite nice electronicmaji, jnoh, [Chase_McCoy] and nitot joined the channel
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# 18:24 aaronpk I always intended for the apps to be where you'd add and preview feeds, I only added the minimal interface to aperture as a fallback # 18:24 aaronpk but then I haven't got around to adding subscribing to Monocle yet # 18:25 [grantcodes] There's nothing explicit in microsub about moving feeds between channels but would be possible to do multiple api requests to do it [frank] and adactio joined the channel
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# 22:03 chrisaldrich I just noticed that Prismo sent me a webmention. Looks like an interesting ActivityPub-based project for potential /discovery. nitot, [aaronpk], kraftbj, wolftune and [tantek] joined the channel; leg left the channel
KartikPrabhu kisik21: webmentioning without linking is not going to work. Since the reciever will have to verify the webmention which includes checking for a link
kisik21 I know.
Loqi audience is an experimental property of a post that indicates the intended recipients (readers) of the post https://indieweb.org/audience
[eddie] !tell kisik21 https://indieweb.org/2019/Düsseldorf/privateui
sebsel Ohh, there are a lot of notes! https://indieweb.org/2019/Düsseldorf/privateui
[jeremycherfas] Good morning IndieWeb.
[jgmac1106] How long until demos?
tantek_ It’s at /Microsub#Getting_Started
[schmarty] IIRC Together has a content preview when subscribing.
[grantcodes] Yes, there are previews when adding feeds in together
chrisaldrich What is Prismo?