#indieweb 2019-05-29
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[kimberlyhirsh] Very sad.
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Loqi ok, I added "https://wptavern.com/new-github-sponsors-tool-draws-concerns-from-open-source-community" to the "See Also" section of /payment https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61748&oldid=59600
# Loqi ok, I added "https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-github-sponsors" to the "See Also" section of /payment https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61749&oldid=61748
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[tantek] Rose, the /Instagram bookmarklet I wrote and used to use (needs updating) did part of that with getting the image out and creating a post
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jamietanna[m] I'm looking at making my h-feed better as for some post types it just has the URL and name
# jamietanna[m] However I'm wondering how to do this with long posts ie >500 words, with code snippets, pictures
# Loqi A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indieweb.org/composite_stream
# jamietanna[m] Would you recommend having the HTML present but hidden, or shown in full?
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jeremycherfas Good morning all
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infominer[m] Burn it!
# infominer[m] Wordpress i hear is like click of a button to enable indieweb
# infominer[m] But ive started my webwork journey w static sites and for whatever reason am prejudiced agains WP
# infominer[m] Rn trying to understand hugo, coming from jekyll
# infominer[m] There are a few hugo indieweb themes, and a few dead jekyll themes that have a new life in hugo
# infominer[m] Serious work to find a working jekyll theme... seems jekyll was much more popular a few years ago
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[grantcodes] [Rose] omnibear + copy and paste isn't a huge number of steps. Although it is probably not set up for adding the mf2 you might want
# infominer[m] Well, w jekyll Minimal Mistakes is the gold standard for a modern theme... but github pages supports the feed and redirect plugins, so that stuff can go on any of them you can make work
# infominer[m] If im lucky i can tell you how a hugo deploy is in an hour or so
# infominer[m] Jeykyll is baked into ghpages tho... so need ci or manual build every change for hugo
# infominer[m] Im just a newb that’s found their way to the deep end, tho
# jeremycherfas !tell strk I happily moved my personal site from WP first to Octopress (SSG) and then to Grav, and while I still have legacy posts to bring in, it worked fine and I prefer it.
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[jgmac1106] Strk I migrated from WP. I use a mix of pages on my main Domain and Known on a subdomain.... To do all the stuff that I can't build yet
# [jgmac1106] Trying out Kirby now and trying to learn to make all the templates for different post types now.
# [jgmac1106] ... But I did not migrate... Too hard... Just through my old site on a subdomain and then failed to write working redirects
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[tonz] I’m ok with WordPress. Very useful for ‘not first indieweb generation’ type of person like me. (As in happy to tinker a bit, but not into bootstrapping stuff.) Big diff between wp.com (wp as a service) and wp.org (self hosted wp). self hosted wp for me is more or less my sweet spot. Works out of the box, but I can tinker as much as I want. Previously I used Movable Type when that was still a thing. Before that I hand coded static pages in notep
# [tonz] I used MT because I met the Trott couple at a blogger conf when they first started building it. Same with WP, got Matt drunk in Vienna when he wasn’t yet of legal drinking age in US, then started looking into his WP which he pitched with a Jazz metaphor at a blogger conf we both attended. Full switch to WP years later, when MT stalled.
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petermolnar Grav is dynamic with files for data storage
# petermolnar it's an ideally simple thing
# petermolnar but comes at a price of being fairly complex to set up and customize
# petermolnar that is fine, I use sqlite for search on my "static" site as well
# infominer[m] that's the kicker, 'aint it
# petermolnar strk: though it's not for generic public use: https://github.com/petermolnar/nasg
# petermolnar warning though, it's made completely for my own sake
# infominer[m] "not for general public use" hehe
# petermolnar infominer[m]: I mean there's no install process, the settings file has hardcoded stuff for my own self, etc
# infominer[m] did you have some special purpose, or more of a passion project?
# petermolnar both; there were things nothing of the existing stuff addressed, eg. geo and lens data from EXIF from files, plain text alternative, gophermap (this one is only for fun though), and a set of other things
# infominer[m] it seems like so much work to be skilled enough to have the motivation to do that much work
# [jgmac1106] Yeah just as much passion and hobby as it is skill
# [jgmac1106] Many have the skill but still enjoy a more out of the box experience... Others lack skills but have drive (and privilege of time) to keep hacking away at almost working solutions on their site
# infominer[m] I'm on the second team
# [jgmac1106] I am enjoying my experiments with Kirby last two weeks but for me more about upping my PHP skills
# [jgmac1106] Kirby is neat at its like Grav not an SSG but no database with everything saved in text files
# [jgmac1106] Not as many IndieWeb Building Blocks... I do enjoy using Known. As a CMS it just works
# infominer[m] does gitlab or anyone else have a service competitive with gh-pages, with SSG enabled code repos?
# [jgmac1106] jgregorymcverry.com is my main domain.. One day I hope to fold in all the building blocks there but I need way more skills
# infominer[m] that helped a lot I think, to start... since it was just some files in a repository I had to figure out, before i ever had to consider how the application works on the CL
# [jgmac1106] Not familiar with GitLab. How different is a repo owned by Microsoft and another company hosting all their repos on Microsoft Azure? Seems like a choice between 12 donuts or a dozen
# infominer[m] i don't know what you mean
# infominer[m] I was just saying that the jekyll integration w github made it a lot easier for me to figure out
# [jgmac1106] Sorry... Many people rejecting GitHub since Microsoft bought them and then heading to GitLab... Which hosts all their data on Microsoft Azure... If it was a philosophical choice about ownership
# [jgmac1106] Ahhh yes that is nice
# [jgmac1106] You might want to check out microblog then as well
# infominer[m] yeah, I get that the concern w MS
# [jgmac1106] A it is turnkey so it just works but you can customize to hearts content
# infominer[m] but they are one of the nicest huge scary tech companies we got right now
# [jgmac1106] Yeah loving new Microsoft
# [jgmac1106] Now that they include a native Linux kernel won't be long till they simply drop the windows kernel.....
# infominer[m] i was looking at taht microblog site.. but faded away at a monthly sub.. then faded back in when I realized I wasn't required to subscribe
# infominer[m] yeah, that was pretty dumb, imo.. "lets run linux on top of windows" unless thats a segue to replacing windows core
# [jgmac1106] Yes subscription model versus ad supported... Developers have to eat. Do wish there was annual pricing
# infominer[m] yeah, I'm not mad about it... i'm just really frugal, and can't do subs
# [jgmac1106] But microblog also evolving into a great social reader and you get a well curated community for $5 a month
# [jgmac1106] Me too... I miss my subscription... Also why I haven't done paid Kirby yet. I need to save up the $115., take a month or two
# infominer[m] I will keep tinkering away, for now... speaking of which... ;)
# infominer[m] cool lookin' site tho
# infominer[m] built by hand w your built by hand ssg?
# [jgmac1106] Kind of. I wrote all the HTML and CSS but use Glitch as kind of a CMS
# infominer[m] I'm struggling w that foliage in your profile picture
# infominer[m] az\ca looking mountains
# infominer[m] I guess those plants could b cali or nm\az even..
# [jgmac1106] Kuaui actually
# infominer[m] yeah, I was figuring something more along those lines
# [jgmac1106] Should update image that's a 12 year old pic from my honeymoon
# infominer[m] heh
# [jgmac1106] Best of luck. If you can't make summit in person show up as a remote attendee
# infominer[m] oh cool!
# infominer[m] idk even about it
# [jgmac1106] What is summit?
# Loqi IndieWeb Summit 2019 is June 29-30, 2019 (Saturday & Sunday), in Portland, Oregon; the ninth annual gathering for independent web creators of all kinds, graphic artists, designers, UX engineers, coders, hackers, to share ideas, create & improve their personal websites, and build upon each others creations https://indieweb.org/Summit
# infominer[m] cool stuff! I should have a couple web-pages talking back and forth to eachother by then
# infominer[m] hopefully...
# infominer[m] indieweb solves a few real problems for me, cause I keep building all these websites.. for now they all live on the same domain...
# infominer[m] but it will be super to send info from one to the other. "on the go" so to speak
# [jgmac1106] If you like node.js check with [grantcodes] that's how he rolls (I think), jacky does Elixir, Dimitri uses Go, Jeremy on Grav, Marty on Hugo, and then those who write a CMS, pretty much a direction for any learning path
# [jgmac1106] You can go to #dev and ask about micropub then to send content between sites
# [jgmac1106] Morning Zegnat
# [jgmac1106] Always welcome folks to Team Known.. But sounds like you want something more static(ish) with no database
# infominer[m] yeah i'm sticking close to the ground... and am lost at that part where I click the heroku button and life is supposed to happen haha...
# infominer[m] oh wait, it was not heroku, I remember, but I didn't have the right html snippets.. but for real I followed instructions on 20 different sites, and had so many code snippets and rel=me everywhere
# infominer[m] so that's why I'm hoping to find a theme that "just works" so that I can dig in and figure it out in a working implementation
# [jgmac1106] Okay when you need specific help head to #dev and people smarter than me can offer advice
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# infominer[m] Well, ive been trying to figure out if i can use freenode w my vpn somehow... because i havent been ablr to access the dev channel via riot
# infominer[m] no channel found when i type for it
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Zegnat What happens when you use this link? https://riot.im/develop/#/room/#freenode_#indieweb-dev:matrix.org
# infominer[m] uploaded an image: ima_5617d8b.jpeg (77KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ufkgHQbUQPelbbHnVXyruaYK >
# infominer[m] Wheel of doom (ios)
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# infominer[m] Idk, i just clicked a link and appeared tada
# infominer[m] But im guessing that is the problem
# [jgmac1106] Yeah I have the worst luck searching for channels in matrix
# infominer[m] uploaded an image: ima_7ee5058.jpeg (39KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/FWPBqgTitceVqrzSKcJhHOJO >
# infominer[m] Idk if that helps
# [jgmac1106] Have to go to wiki for direct link... Even when I type the exact name no channel is found
# infominer[m] Yeah i have the same problem on desktop
# [jgmac1106] [tonz] speaking of BloggerCon would love to bring back some of the research to Summit... Maybe just posters on open data and blogging/social media topics
# [jgmac1106] [Zegnat] I will work on it as I need to redo all my channels since they released an emergency new app due to security concerns
# [jgmac1106] It's an interesting historical tidbit to watch BloggerCon go from research from start to 2004 and then come back in 2006 and just be about SEO and facebook
# infominer[m] https://indieweb.org/discuss
# infominer[m] I didnt find the answer there, not specifically for connecting to dev via riot
# infominer[m] Yeah and i shudder at moving to sl###
# infominer[m] But i would if thats what must be
# infominer[m] Im glad we had this talk, i was kinda embarrased to say i dont know how to use this chat app
# [jgmac1106] I kind of have to infominer as my wireless blocks IRC and could not find an IRC client that wasn't a resource hog when looking for a connection
# [jgmac1106] Trying to use matrix more as I set communities up with that as chat...
# [jgmac1106] @schmarty is big matrix user... I think...
# [jgmac1106] But then Slack (and too many other chat clients) open for work or other Open Source communities so I hop back and forth between activite windows
# infominer[m] just gonna throw this out there... I came across this:
# infominer[m] https://github.com/github/personal-website
# infominer[m] really simple way to make a github portfolio\blog...
# infominer[m] it would be so cool to see some indieweb contributions
# infominer[m] would love to get indieweb code in more "default solutions" like Minimal Mistakes is a super popular jekyll theme
# infominer[m] that will be my mission once I figure this stuff out... if no-one beats me to it, try and get integrated w some widely used themes
# Zegnat infominer[m]: we have https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site
# Loqi [indienews/de] New post: "The rise of the IndieWeb" https://notiz.blog/2013/06/18/the-rise-of-the-indieweb/
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# [kevinmarks786] I have set up Hugo on GitHub pages a couple of times - make the generated folder the shared one
# [kevinmarks786] So generate the site in /docs then make that the gh pages origin eg https://github.com/kevinmarks/stopbrexit?files=1
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# infominer[m] thx! at least I know what my directory structure should look like
# infominer[m] a lot less files than I'm used to
# infominer[m] I don't get how that all turns into a web-page... seems like hugo has a lot more going on behind the scenes
# Zegnat infominer[m]: more Matrix bridge links have been added to https://indieweb.org/discuss#Join_Discussions by [jgmac1106], let us know if you can get them to work!
# infominer[m] rn I just have a spinny wheel...
# infominer[m] also, you listed dev twice
# infominer[m] this is the same thing that happened when I clicked a linkk from the phone earlier
# infominer[m] hmm
# infominer[m] eventually it took me to a login page
# infominer[m] but didn't just pop open the app like I hoped
# [kevinmarks786] I run Hugo on my own machine, then check it all in when it's done
# infominer[m] yeah, I get that.. I was just saying there are far fewer configuration files\includes etc visible compared w jekyll
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# [jgmac1106] thanks will check the links again...I really can't figure out why some work and others do not
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# infominer[m] yeah, I'm running out of steam or I'd offer a bit more QC feedback
# [jgmac1106] i get the spinning wheeel but then I am asked to sign in...using FF DeV
# [jgmac1106] checked all the links working for me
# infominer[m] that's where I fizzled out cause the thought of typing my password into the manager seemed overwhelming...
# infominer[m] even on my phone I probably just needed to wait
# [jgmac1106] you do the set up in matrix once and you are done...too many chat clients, now aI need Slack, Matirx, Signal, Telegram, Microsoft Teams all open
# infominer[m] yeah... well, I'm using the riot app.. and it didn't grab the link.. so having a browser session in addition to the app was where my too many pulled the stop this am
# infominer[m] why can't discord just be open source?
# [jgmac1106] good idea, then I feel like I could ignore better rather than having umpteen chat windows stacked on top of each other
# infominer[m] I would never leave
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# [tantek] [tantek] set the channel topic: Homebrew Website Club TODAY! Next meetups: https://indieweb.org/next-hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log http://chat.indieweb.org/today
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# jamietanna[m] kevinmarks768: I'm having trouble sending you a Webmention - `curl http://known.kevinmarks.com/micropub/endpoint -d 'source=https://www.jvt.me/likes/b91c4151-b3c6-4c52-8615-ab7266c689fb/' -d 'target=http://known.kevinmarks.com/2019/renaming-selfdogfooding-to-eat-what-you-cook-indieweb'` is returning a 403
# jamietanna[m] snarfed: yep, that's embarrassing, I've been reading it but not seeing that, thanks!
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# jamietanna[m] Yeah that's getting better, but now seeing `
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# [Ana_R] Hi everyone, I hope this is the right channel.
# [Ana_R] So i’m quite aware that I may not contribute much “tech wise” but I realised that there are no translations into Portuguese (https://indieweb.org/other-languages) and I can help with that! - is there any formal process I need to do? I’m a bit afraid of messing up
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aaronpk The main thing is to use the right language identifier for the page name, and some more tips are here: https://indieweb.org/how-to-start-new-translation Probably better to discuss more of the details in #meta!
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gRegorLove [Ana_R]++ awesome!
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# [kevinmarks786] Hm. That site is legacy hosted known, so may have some bitrot
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# [tantek] This captures what I had suspected about a lot of FB quits but had not quite figured out the reasons yet: https://twitter.com/lindseywiebe/status/1103722338422583296
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@lindseywiebe Come for the Facebook news, stay for Kathy's A+ spousal shade in the comments. (h/t to our marvelous @readercenter and @michelledozois) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/technology/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-privacy.html?comments#permid=30940856:30943065 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1E1eWcX0AEla5w.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1103722338422583296)
# [tantek] silo-quit << ORLY (not quite quits, staying in touch via spouse as FB proxy) https://twitter.com/lindseywiebe/status/1103722338422583296 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1E1eWcX0AEla5w.jpg
# @lindseywiebe Come for the Facebook news, stay for Kathy's A+ spousal shade in the comments. (h/t to our marvelous @readercenter and @michelledozois) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/technology/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-privacy.html?comments#permid=30940856:30943065 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1E1eWcX0AEla5w.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1103722338422583296)
# Loqi ok, I added "ORLY (not quite quits, staying in touch via spouse as FB proxy) https://twitter.com/lindseywiebe/status/1103722338422583296 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1E1eWcX0AEla5w.jpg" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61824&oldid=61686
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# Loqi ok, I added "https://security.googleblog.com/2019/05/new-research-how-effective-is-basic.html" to the "See Also" section of /security https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61827&oldid=50712
# [tantek] in particular https://landing.google.com/advancedprotection/
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