#indieweb 2019-06-02

2019-06-02 UTC
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Correctly using bookmarks (instead of reposts)" https://www.jvt.me/notes/d6ee82bb-479a-4f98-bc7c-01ad38e286bd/
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[tonz]
Here’s a post I wrote 15yrs ago with some notes on why I think lurking is valuable to a healthy community, and its place/rol in networks. https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/02/lurking_and_soc/
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jeremycherfas
Nice piece [tonz] Have you considered your magic numbers in the context of Robin Dunbar's "number"?
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/02/lurking_and_soc/" to the "See Also" section of /lurking https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62028&oldid=62019
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Loqi
[Ton Zijlstra] Lurking and Social Networks
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sebsel
hah, “echo chambers” in a post from 2004. nothing is new after all
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chrisaldrich
sebsel, I thought much the same thing when I read it and I almost wouldn't have been shocked to have seen the phrase "filter bubble" either... ;)
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jeremycherfas
I’m pretty sure we were discussing echo chambers in 2003 at BlogTalk.
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[fluffy]
Getting rid of the “slashdot echo chamber” was a bit reason why kuro5hin.org came to be.
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[fluffy]
and that was in 2000
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[fluffy]
maybe earlier
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[fluffy]
(once upon a time kuro5hin was actually a decent community blog and not a trolling haven!)
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chrisaldrich
Echo chambers (from a media perspective) date back to at least the very early 2000's according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media), though I do wonder where the first mention occurred....
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[tantek]
if only we had a blog search engine that could look that far back in time...
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[tantek]
tonz++ great post and a lot more in there beyond lurking, the network topology stuff is particularly relevant to things like how to find, use, verify /Vouch links, and what kind of Vouch ties a blogging/commenting tool should look for
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Loqi
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Loqi
[Ton Zijlstra] Lurking and Social Networks
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[tonz]
[tantek] re network topology, yes, very much. I approached it then from a learning and knowledge management perspective and community of practice. You may have seen Valdis Krebs in the comments on that posting, still very active in network mapping / thinking. Also very much influenced by blog conversations with educators like George Siemens and Stephen Downes (probably both known to [jgmac1106]), who both blogged and blog about informal learning netw
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[tonz]
Yes, [jeremycherfas] it was very much a topic at BlogTalk in 2003. Rebecca Blood talked about echo chambers iirc as well in her opening keynote. I wrote a lot about information strategies and the role of social software as we called it then, between 2003-2006. Currently revisiting all that for an update, so I’ve listed them here: https://www.zylstra.org/blog/information-strategies-overview/ [sebsel] I didn’t call it filter bubbles then, but did t
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[tonz]
right type of feedback in this posting on info-filtering from 2005 https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2005/09/information_str/
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Loqi
[Ton Zijlstra] Information strategy: filtering
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Loqi
Information Strategies Overview Wiki information process, information strategies, infostrats
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[tonz]
[jeremycherfas] Dunbar and the ‘magic numbers’ in that old posting. Yes very much so. This is a posting a month later: https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2004/03/dunbar_number/
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chrisaldrich
kevinmarks++ for helping to keep Christopher Allen's website up for all that great old research/writing [tonz] links to.
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Loqi
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jamietanna[m]
I'm submitting for a Call For Papers and am planning on doing an IndieWeb talk - does this sound like a catchy (and valid) title?
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jamietanna[m]
> The IndieWeb Movement: Owning Your Data and Being the Change You Want to See in the World
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[tonz]
in the world / on the web, perhaps?
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jamietanna[m]
Good thinking
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chrisaldrich
I'm curious what the audience is jamietana[m]?
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jamietanna[m]
The conference is http://oggcamp.com/ which is for Free / Open Source Software / Digital Rights enthusiasts
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jamietanna[m]
So it'll be people who've maybe not heard of us, but will have some technical background
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jamietanna[m]
I've got this as the elevator pitch:
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jamietanna[m]
> We strive for Free and Open Source software in the world, on mobile, desktop and server. But what about the Web? The IndieWeb is all about taking control, owning your data, and scratching your itches. We're working to take back the Web, and I'll show you how you can, too.
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chrisaldrich
In my experience some conferences may need some additional background and detail on what IndieWeb is and how it fits into the world to be able to evaluate talks which are otherwise summarized by a simple title and a couple of paragraphs.
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jamietanna[m]
Fair enough - I've got a wider "description" that goes into it in a bit more depth
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chrisaldrich
definitely focus on what's important to them by highlight the open source aspects and the digital rights pieces of IndieWeb... I suspect that doing that will dramatically increase your chances of acceptance.
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jamietanna[m]
:+
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jamietanna[m]
👍️ *
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jamietanna[m]
Thanks chrisaldrich 😃
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GWG
Afternoon
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petermolnar
half of google is down
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sknebel
per HN comments: "serious networking outage. It's disrupting everything, including unfortunately the tooling we usually use to communicate across the company about outages."
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petermolnar
maybe fall back to good ol' phone lines?
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petermolnar
we fall back to confcalls
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sknebel
I assume there is some kind of fallback, yes
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Zegnat
I am now imagining a situation where people at some outskirt Google building do not know what the fallback procedure is and go into complete lockdown.
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Zegnat
Or go rogue, full Dr Strangelove style.
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petermolnar
https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/19003 - completely unrelated thoughts: I see the time there indicating the timezone - is there a reasonable way from javascript to turn a <time>'s datetime into a local time based on IP?
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petermolnar
thought this is probably -dev
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petermolnar
btw obviously that status page has NO semantic markup at all
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jacky
petermolnar: like from the visiting browser? I get away with that on my site by just letting the browser do it!
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jacky
grabs link
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jacky
if you provide no option; it uses the one reported / detected by the browser
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jacky
no need to track user IPs :)
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