#indieweb 2019-06-03

2019-06-03 UTC
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gRegorLove nifty, I didn't know about that.
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[kevinmarks786] lurking << http://www.jowaltonbooks.com/poetry/whimsy/the-lurkers-support-me-in-email/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.jowaltonbooks.com/poetry/whimsy/the-lurkers-support-me-in-email/" to the "See Also" section of /lurking https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62061&oldid=62028
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petermolnar what is lurking?
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Loqi Lurking is the quiet watching/listening that what many people of the web do in chat rooms in order to begin gauging culture, learning jargon or lingo, and other community norms or unspoken principles before diving in to interact on a more direct level with other participants https://indieweb.org/Lurking
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cweiske it is also the name for homeless people on Babylon 5
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GWG Morning
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Loqi happy day
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sknebel morning
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GWG How goes it?
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[tantek] what is Nest
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Loqi Nest is a wholly owned subsidiary of Alphabet that sells an eponymous thermostat, and smoke alarm both of which are connected to their centralized servers over the internet; whereas the indieweb approach would be to have such devices connect to your personal site https://indieweb.org/Nest
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[tantek] Nest << https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/1135310349438054401
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/1135310349438054401" to a new "See Also" section of /Nest https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62064&oldid=22974
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[jgmac1106] Smartest house is a dumb house and automation works great. "Hey kid turn the AC down"
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GWG I have my own local installation to control my house. I don't have minions to do it for me.
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GWG I started writing some integrations between that system and my website, but didn't have any good ideas about what to do with it yet.
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[jgmac1106] Yeah lot cool stuff... I need to start with a media server first... Never rebuilt after I moved
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GWG Several people post their watch history from Plex on their site
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cweiske http://bash.org/?733088
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GWG That is my thing. I don't think I want to be that granular
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GWG I would rather summarize
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sknebel I'd not make it public. But that's a common difference :D
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cweiske question is why you want to track it in the first place.
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cweiske the only reason I publish my reading list is that I use it to prevent double buys
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/books.htm
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Loqi [Jules Verne] 20000 Meilen unter dem Meer
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cweiske which is also the reason I don't publish reading dates, only the books themselves
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GWG I always wanted to discuss media with other people of like interests
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sknebel cweiske: true. If I were to track it, then ...
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Zegnat I would track media consumption because I often have a vague idea of when / with who I watched a thing, without knowing what it was.
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GWG I am still trying to decide if I want to jump on the private post bandwagon
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Zegnat Being able to go back on the timeline would help a lot to answer questions like: what music did we end up with on my bday celebration?
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Zegnat That said, I do not feel a need to publish the data publicly as long as I have access to it
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GWG Wonder if anyone does an automated summary post on a weekly or monthly basis as opposed to realtime
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[tonz] I have a weekly automated ‘suggested reading’ thingy. Which in practice I stopped using mostly. It grabs my annotated bookmarks from inside Evernote and turns them into a posting such as https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2018/12/suggested-reading-free-will-geo-politics-literature-and-more/
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Running late, as a result of work that pays.
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Zegnat Don’t you just hate it when that gets in the way of IndieWeb stuff, jeremycherfas? ;)
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jeremycherfas I do. But at least it isn't most of the day, most days.
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[jgmac1106] Ohh I wonder if a recommended reading list could be developed for the hypothes.is api... I always check the firehouse for interesting things
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[jgmac1106] I want to track my reads and listen but it would need to be more automated
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[jgmac1106] I could use web history but for listen posts I want to see if I can use the Android feature that records song titles where ever I am
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[smerrill] good morning.
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[smerrill] as of this weekend, I seem unable to post photos via Quill. No thumbnail is displayed to me when i select a file; and my micropub endpoint shows no POST connections to the media endpoint.
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[smerrill] ive not made any updates to my side of things, so i’m curious if this might be something in Quill?
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jmac I will never remember that if you cram more than one POSSE link into a single tweet, Bridgy will happily send webmentions at all of them when anyone reacts to any of them. (This is not a complaint! Bridgy is awesome, and it has no way of knowing otherwise! I just keep doing this aghhh)
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[jgmac1106] annotating using hypothesis rather than just posting quotes on my own website for the first time in quite a bit....love it but missing reading on my own site
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snarfed jmac++ hah yes ownership/provenance is surprisingly tricky, and bridgy defaults to being "promiscuous." lots of historical discussion in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/241 , and others
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Loqi jmac has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (13 in all channels)
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Loqi [snarfed] #51 distinguish POSSE posts vs non-POSSE mentions and handle accordingly
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jmac I really can't imagine it working in any other way, honestly
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jmac I mean, I can, and they'd all be wrong
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snarfed requiring syndication links on your site would be one
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snarfed which wouldn't be wrong, just a much higher bar for new users
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snarfed matching your web site domain would be another
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jmac Nod... and even that wouldn't address the particular issue I had in mind (I think?) which is when I tweet "Here are two posts from last week: URL URL" and someone replies to that tweet in reference to one of the posts. Bridgy can't do anything but shrug and share that reply with both as a webmention
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jmac I guess my own blog could somehow magically tell which single post those two differently-targeted WMs should get stuck on, but blah
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jmac The solution is: Don't tweet like that
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[jgmac1106] gwg may do something similar to that so you don't get webmentions from yourself and your twitter account on a link
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snarfed reminds me that i'd still dearly like to see a competing backfeed implementation
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snarfed there have been a few historically, eg mailchimp's and keyring social importers, but afaict basically no one uses them for backfeed, at least in this community
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snarfed some real healthy competitive pressure would be nice!
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sknebel :D
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[jgmac1106] a ton of email notifications...but I don't know of any other community even trying to backfeed.....Google+ got closest but well we know how that ended
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snarfed [jgmac1106]: email notifs...?
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[jgmac1106] if you're articles or posts are mentioned on twitter, using iftt recipes and such
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[jgmac1106] ton of SEO stuff must be similar but they want that data for mining not displaying
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[jgmac1106] ...though we kinda own the SEO for "twitter backfeed" hard to even find other resources
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snarfed i actually wonder how close you could get to a full backfeed implementation with just ifttt (or zapier) plus granary to render mf2
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GWG snarfed, you really want a competing backfeed implementation?
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snarfed hell yes! competition++ diversity++ etc
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snarfed brb
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[jgmac1106] What is plurality?
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Loqi Encouraging a plurality of projects with a self-motivated incentive to interoperate is a key principle of the indie web, in contrast to monoculture efforts which require or even encourage everyone to install the same software, or use the same online service, in order to interoperate https://indieweb.org/plurality
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GWG snarfed, I will keep it under advisement
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GWG But I have 3 projects I am updating in tandem now that have similar code
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GWG So I don't think I should start that
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jacky I do want an automated weekly digest
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jacky that could be an service in the indieweb (auto-summary as a indieweb service)
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[jgmac1106] yeah schmarty needs replacement for this week in IndieWeb
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snarfed jacky you were talking about text digest? yeah sounds like https://indieweb.org/this-week-in-the-indieweb , which afaik is automated, at least the text version
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aaronpk yeah that's totally automated. schmarty turned it into a podcast which also included a bunch of editorial work
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jacky kinda! I'd go as far as a simple link digest
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jacky but I think I can make something like jacky.wtf/stream/this-week and make it dynamic
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snarfed oh, you mean, for your own site. got it
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jacky ah yeah my bad
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jacky didn't make that clear
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snarfed iirc gRegorLove cleverdevil and others worked on this
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[Ian_Forrester] Hi Indieweb people... I'm trying to convince my note taking app (standardnotes) which happens to have a mini-blog feature (wish it was a micropub) to add rel="me" to their profile link.
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[Ian_Forrester] https://github.com/standardnotes/listed/issues/8
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[Ian_Forrester] I was going to reply with a link to here - https://indieweb.org/rel-me.
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[Ian_Forrester] The dev said
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[Ian_Forrester] > I'm not seeing consensus on this topic. Search results are really sparse. It looks like it was a proposed standard but never gained steam? Also, does this have negative implications given a user can enter whatever value they want for their custom url, especially a url that doesn't actually belong to them but someone else?
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[Ian_Forrester] Any other thoughts on what the dev said?
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snarfed [Ian_Forrester]: hi! the answer to the second q is bidirectional verification, described on http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-me
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[Ian_Forrester] Thanks
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