#indieweb 2019-06-04

2019-06-04 UTC
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chrisaldrich I've got may Facebook email notifications turned back on in preparation for some near term testing...
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chrisaldrich apparently I haven't posted to FB since last July....
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chrisaldrich my last post was on July 31 just prior to their turning off their API for backfeed....
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chrisaldrich While searching Facebook for email notifications, I only found posts and information for turning them off... nothing about turning them back on at all...
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chrisaldrich creator << https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/05/how-creators-became-influencers/590725/ good article with some history and subtlety of the difference between [[creator]] and [[influencer]] in the social world
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/05/how-creators-became-influencers/590725/ good article with some history and subtlety of the difference between [[creator]] and [[influencer]] in the social world" to the "See Also" section of /creator https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62094&oldid=58052
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chrisaldrich influencer << creator << https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/05/how-creators-became-influencers/590725/ good article with some history and subtlety of the difference between [[creator]] and [[influencer]] in the social world
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Loqi ok, I added "creator << https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/05/how-creators-became-influencers/590725/ good article with some history and subtlety of the difference between [[creator]] and [[influencer]] in the social world" to the "See Also" section of /influencer https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62095&oldid=61697
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sknebel Morning!
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Loqi morning!
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Morning
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[jgmac1106] Hey all in terms of trip posts Google just sent me a new thing my travel in the month of May.
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[Ian_Forrester] Quick question what is @Loqi and what does it do?
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cweiske what is loqi
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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[jgmac1106] Who is cweiske?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Cweiske.de
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[jgmac1106] When is the Summit?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit 2019 is June 29-30, 2019 (Saturday & Sunday), in Portland, Oregon; the ninth annual gathering for independent web creators of all kinds, graphic artists, designers, UX engineers, coders, hackers, to share ideas, create & improve their personal websites, and build upon each others creations https://indieweb.org/Summit
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[jgmac1106] Loqi does all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/50rYmZDW.jpg
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[jgmac1106] Gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi loves the cookie
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[Ian_Forrester] Oh I see... 🙂
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Zegnat [Ian_Forrester]: if you are still discussing rel="me" stuff, a while ago I tried to sum up what that rel value was all about in reply to another blog post: https://wiki.zegnat.net/media/the-real-deal-about-rel-me.html
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[jgmac1106] Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 40 karma in this channel over the last year (154 in all channels)
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GWG [jgmac1106] That Google thing is not new
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Zegnat That post hit #1 on HackerNews bacak then, so it must be good, right? :P
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[jgmac1106] I know... But I had to look in Google. First time for me a monthly summary was emailed
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[jgmac1106] Kinda the design I want for my trip posts... If only I had billions to spend on machine learning....and no qualms about suckling all the data
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Morning Jeremy
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jeremycherfas Hello Greg
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[Ian_Forrester] Thanks... Will look and add to the conversation
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Zegnat This may also be a sign that we can make the /rel-me page on the wiki better, so if any of the conversation is public, feel free to link it / start FAQ items on the wiki / whatever :)
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[kevinmarks786] [Ian_Forrester] have a look at http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html and http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/rel-me-mastodon-and-browser-plugins - mastodon's adoption is a good example
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[kevinmarks786] rel-me << http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html" to the "See Also" section of /rel-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62101&oldid=57468
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[kevinmarks786] rel-me << http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/rel-me-mastodon-and-browser-plugins
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Loqi ok, I added "http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/rel-me-mastodon-and-browser-plugins" to the "See Also" section of /rel-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62102&oldid=62101
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Zegnat Mastodon sadly didn’t do the verification yet when I wrote my article. I do mention your distributed verification stuff, [kevinmarks786] :)
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[tantek] Zegnat, probably worth updating your article, or writing a new article and linking to it from the top of your current article
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[tantek] also rel=me is dev-ish enough to go to dev
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Fraidycat (Prototype Vid) | Kicks Condor" https://www.kickscondor.com/fraidycat-(prototype-vid) (from https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/03/fraidycat-prototype-vid-kicks-condor-2/)
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[frank] Did anyone ever introduce Dave Winer to the ideas of microsub and the separation of feeds and readers? I am not sure if he is still open to new ideas or just following his own path... http://scripting.com/2019/06/04.html#a151733
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[jgmac1106] where is the not it emoji again...yes he is aware...and happily plugging away at RSS
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GWG I would like to abandon RSS
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GWG But I have to be realistic that some people won't do mf2
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GWG DRY states that I shouldn't maintain so many feed types
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[kevinmarks786] Would the rss/atom to h-feed bit of unmung as an AWS lambda be useful?
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[kevinmarks786] Or do you need something you can bake into wp?
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GWG But my work with jackjamieson and Microsub suggests that I need to be prepared for people who have mf2 issues but are still on WP
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GWG kevinmarks78, yes, I prefer to bake
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GWG I am not talking about this from a dev perspective
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GWG This is more philosophical
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GWG I would like to live in a better universe of consumers and publishers
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aaronpk wow I didn't realize twitter added a whole UI for creating threads
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[fluffy] Personally I think RSS/Atom are a better mechanism for syndicating content than mf2 and I’d hate to see it disappear.
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[fluffy] and to me they’re Just Another Template and way easier to parse and verify and just work with in general.
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[fluffy] Every time I go down the rabbit hole of trying to work with mf2 on something, even using an extant parser lib, I keep on running into all sorts of weirdness with data consistency.
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aaronpk this sounds like a dev conversation
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[jgmac1106] Great convo... nudge to #dev though
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aaronpk i can't believe you can just write a bunch of tweets and drop the whole thread at once now
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[fluffy] yeah it’s twitter’s most ridiculous concession to the tweet length limit.
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[fluffy] split your tweets up into 280-character chunks, then have some Content Monetization thread-unroller re-host it for you because people don’t want to read it in 280-character chunks
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Bitweasil Twitter is trying so hard to be everything except what they were actually good at...
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Anchakor are there open source services for RSSying mf2 (with docker image)?
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KartikPrabhu what is granary?
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Loqi granary is a library and REST API that frees you from social network snowflake API and exposes the sweet social data foodstuff inside as HTML and JSON with microformats2, ActivityStreams, JSON Feed, Atom, XML, and more https://indieweb.org/granary
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KartikPrabhu Anchakor: ^
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Anchakor thanks
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KartikPrabhu not sure about Docker stuff
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Anchakor it's not immediately obvious what kind of conversions it supports, if bidirectional or not
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KartikPrabhu it has a we interface I think so you can try
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KartikPrabhu web interface*
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chrisaldrich aaronpk, did you just get that new Twitter UI? Or have you just not been there in a while?
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chrisaldrich book << https://wordpress.org/plugins/anthologize/ a [[WordPress]] plugin for creating books
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Loqi ok, I added "https://wordpress.org/plugins/anthologize/ a [[WordPress]] plugin for creating books" to the "See Also" section of /book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62106&oldid=61563
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Loqi [One Week | One Tool] Description Anthologize is a free, open-source, WordPress-based platform for publishing. Grab posts from your WordPress blog, pull in feeds from external sites, or create new content directly in Anthologize. Then outline, order, and edit your work, ...
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Zegnat Problem with posting from your own site: you no longer know what features the silos add ;)
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aaronpk oh is this in the new twitter UI?
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aaronpk i dunno
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aaronpk i barely go to twitter.com
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[kevinmarks786] Eric Meyer has been working it - the mobile Web ui basically took over the main website.
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jamietanna[m] I'm looking at submitting a session for MozFest (London) - has anyone been before or have any tips for an indie session? Thinking of making it similar to https://www.jvt.me/talks/indieweb/ which I've submitted to oggcamp
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chrisaldrich apparently it's been rolling out for a while. I got it on april 25th https://boffosocko.com/2019/04/25/55750077/
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chrisaldrich Zegnat++ for an interesting criticism of /POSSE
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Loqi Zegnat has 41 karma in this channel over the last year (155 in all channels)
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sknebel Tantek and calumryan have been, I think Calum also did an indieweb session once?
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Zegnat Huh? When did I do a criticism of /POSSE?
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Zegnat Oooh, my winkyface remark on aaronpk, hahahaha
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk lol
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chrisaldrich jamietanna[m] see also: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-10-27-mozfest
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chrisaldrich There's also /presentations_about and /videos_about_the_indieweb for other ideas, though I don't seen any prior MozFest listings on those pages.
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jamietanna[m] Awesome, thanks both - I'll have a read
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aaronpk ok twitter's thread UI is really good
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[jgmac1106] Yes it is.. Notrlive will get there
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aaronpk i need noter un-live
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[kevinmarks786] It gets a bit lost if you want to add to it later, and the "tweet" button should be at the bottom, not the top, but yes, it's broadly good.
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aaronpk the tweet button is at the bottom
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aaronpk and you can compose the whole thread first without actually tweeting anything
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aaronpk you can even insert stuff in between, or delete tweets while writing
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[kevinmarks786] Yes, that's a different goal. It's close to the buzzfeed editor.
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[jgmac1106] Ah... Didn't know @kevinmarks would be right there
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[kevinmarks786] Twitter gives you the sentence level comments that medium used to have.
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[jgmac1106] For me if you are doing the entire thread right a post. Tweetstorms are for in the moment... The gut... But that's just my style.. Anyone can roll how the roll
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aaronpk i'm gonna post this as a blog post on my site when i'm done :)
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[jgmac1106] I just wish I had a start and stop button in Known and the webmentions stacked
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[kevinmarks786] Maybe they improved the tweet button in that mode - it's still at the top in the usual view which threw me
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[jgmac1106] Maybe add a rel=prev and rel=next... But getting too devy
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aaronpk start? stop? stack? what now?
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[jgmac1106] Band concert tonight. Can't dive deep but thought long and hard about this UX and webmentions
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[jgmac1106] I publish a note...then I publish a second note as a reply and hit "storm" button this adds a rel=prev to second post and then rel=next to first... Then any subsequent post gets a rel=prev and next... Then you hit stop
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[jgmac1106] Go to first post see all webmentions in thread. Go to Second see x-1
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[jgmac1106] You can kinda do this in Known or WP... If you Repy only to the syndicated tweets but not url...too many clicks... Takes me seven
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[tantek] what is tweetstorming
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Loqi tweetstorm is a series of tweets, each replying to the previous, often each numbered so the sequence is clear, as a method of expressing a longer series of related thoughts as a single thread on Twitter https://indieweb.org/tweetstorming
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] good brainstorm, add it to a new subsection in https://indieweb.org/tweetstorm#Brainstorming ?
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aaronpk what is not clear to me from this UI is whether this is saved as a draft anywhere, or if this whole thing goes boom if my browser crashes
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "not clear to me from this UI is whether this is saved as a draft anywhere, or if this whole thing goes boom if my browser crashes" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "not clear to me from this UI is whether this is saved as a draft anywhere, or if this whole thing goes boom if my browser crashes is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk hahaha
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Loqi aaronpk: lol
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aaronpk no Loqi
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[kevinmarks786] It goes boom, had that happen.
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aaronpk ouch
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[jgmac1106] Tantek will do and sorry all for getting too devy
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aaronpk let's see what bridgy does with this thread :D
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[jgmac1106] My Bridgy tweets thread webmentions perfectly. I just need to remember to reply to my syndicated Twitter url and not my own
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aaronpk i added all the twitter URLs as syndication links on my blog post version of the twitter thread
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[jgmac1106] Can't wait to see what happens on your site
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aaronpk it's one big regular blog post on my site
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[jgmac1106] Interesting
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snarfed [jgmac1106]: you can reply to both! at least if your site supports that
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[jgmac1106] Was gonna just say won't those all show as mentions....
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snarfed aaronpk: i do multiple twitter synd links per post pretty regularly, work ok
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snarfed er works ok
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[jgmac1106] Oh yes... Never tried that... Snarfed
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[chrisaldrich] As a test, I recently did an invitation tweetstorm for the summit and posted it to my site with multiple u-syndication links. It did pretty well and backfeed was fine.
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[chrisaldrich] https://boffosocko.com/2019/05/17/an-invitation-to-indieweb-summit-2019/
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gRegorLove A fun thread to browse and contribute to: https://twitter.com/glitch/status/1135990841640665088
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chrisaldrich gRegorLove, I will say that the http://heygirl.io/ bookmarklet in that thread does make the online chat more entertaining: https://chat.indieweb.org/
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gRegorLove haha!
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chrisaldrich It also makes my h-card much better looking....