#indieweb 2019-06-26

2019-06-26 UTC
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[cleverdevil] Hey hey IndieWeb!
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KartikPrabhu people who want to add themselves https://personalsit.es/
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gRegorLove Neat. Is that from someone in the community?
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gRegorLove Ah, I see it's on /directory Examples in the Wild
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[fluffy] I was surprised that when I submitted my site to that, the merge message made a mention of the IndieWeb webring that sounded like they weren’t aware of it before
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[fluffy] ooh https://indieweb.xyz/howto/en looks like I’m adding another feature to my site templates
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[Andi] Hi everyone. I'll be in Portland this Friday – Monday for the Summit. Looking forward to seeing you all there.
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[Andi] What does the IWC community think of webflow?
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jacky [Andi]: good question! I've used it once for a client project - it's great for visualization and what not and an online editor experience
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jacky Are you aiming to build a IndieWeb site with it?
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jacky what is Webflow
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Loqi Webflow is a website design tool that can output auto-generated html/css/js for a simple static site https://indieweb.org/Webflow
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[Andi] I use Webflow all of the time, but I was wondering what the IWC crew thought about it.
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[Andi] It’s not just for a simple static site. I build CMSes for clients, templates, and import data, etc. It’s quite powerful.
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jacky I can imagine! it's probably the only CMS that works so well and has such intuitive design that anyone can use it!
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jgmac1106 good morning all
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jeremycherfas Good morning, once again.
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MrKapowski good morning
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Loqi morning!
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MrKapowski I don't think I've used IRC in 15 years or so, apologies in advance if I accidentally break something :)
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jgmac1106 hee hee
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jeremycherfas Let the good times roll, MrKapowski For what it is worth, I broke my IRC setup without touching a thing, I promise, just by going offline for about 10 days.
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jgmac1106 think this already made the rounds in chat but nice to see if climb hacker news: https://www.petelambert.com/journal/html-is-the-web
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shokunin[m] Excellent article
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shokunin[m] The author would have more compelling reasons to do this if they highlighted things like what breaks, performance decrease, memory or speed gains
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jgmac1106 shokunin: I like this thread from jensimmons: https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1089611136666927106
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@jensimmons It’s beginning to feel like the HTML-CSS-JS vs JS-JS-JS war is a class war. If your project has a budget of millions, “of course” you should use a complex build process and a JavaScript framework that handles everything (according to the folks who believe this). The pressure… (twitter.com/_/status/1089611136666927106)
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jgmac1106 this one: https://www.rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2019/01/30/html-css-and-our-vanishing-industry-entry-points/ as well, have another on size and energy use searching my bookmarks, but agree with you 100%
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[tonz] Speaking of html, NPR.org serves plain text and html if you don’t submit to their tracking stuff. A pleasant very fast reading experience is the result. 😄 https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/06/when-the-punishment-is-a-benefit-plain-text/
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jeremyc__ Yes, I've discovered that and have been happy with it.
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jeremycherfas Sorry about that. But in other news, I have my bouncer working again. Or rather, a new bouncer.
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[jgmac1106] Great news, this grant was funded: https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Celestinesucess/Wiki_Tours_North_of_Ghana
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[jgmac1106] Going to combine wiki editathons with giving and building websites
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[jgmac1106] Zita++
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Loqi Zita has 1 karma over the last year
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[schmarty] 🎉
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viaken If you want to skip the tracking question from npr, you can go straight to https://text.npr.org
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[fluffy] I think it’s baffling that the justification for 3JS always comes down to “complex apps.” Why should we want things to be complex?
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[fluffy] What do these sites benefit from having more complexity? Why do they need to be “apps?”
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[fluffy] My mortgage provider recently changed their simple information portal to an “app” and all it did was break on things that aren’t Chrome and remove all the accessibility so now it is about 20x more difficult for me to find out what my balance is.
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jacky [fluffy]: what's 3JS?
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[fluffy] JS-JS-JS as opposed to HTML-CS-JS
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[fluffy] *CSS
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[fluffy] sorry. On phone and having accessibility problems
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[fluffy] On that note I really miss hardware keyboards
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jacky hardware keyboards (namely the one on the Sidekick) were awesome
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jacky I felt so much faster
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jacky now I'm gliding my thumbs on the screen
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[fluffy] Yeah. And autocarrot can only do so much. And then there are sites, sorry, *apps* which do absolutely the wrong thing with their input too, like reimplementing an on-screen keyboard badly.
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[fluffy] Reinventing the wheel by building it out of smaller wheels bound together with rubber bands (because “elastic”)
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[kevinmarks786] you can still get androids with hardware keyboards, but it's getting rarer
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[grantcodes] I'm working on a bit of a redesign of my site and the generated themes are going to be extra wild this time around 😄
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[kevinmarks786] remember the weird blogger options?
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[kevinmarks786] oh, they're still there: http://epeus.blogspot.com/view/snapshot
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[fluffy] All I remember about blogger is bulk upload/import by FTP, and inconsistent feed handling where sometimes the feed was provided as `text/plain` with no links or paragraphs.
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[kevinmarks786] it did have microformat support by default for quite a while
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[grantcodes] That link didn't work for me on my phone
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[kevinmarks786] ah right, yes, it's desktop only
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[kevinmarks786] https://blogger.googleblog.com/2011/09/dynamic-views-seven-new-ways-to-share.html
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[kevinmarks786] “Built with the latest in web technology (AJAX, HTML5 and CSS3)”
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chrisaldrich Curious for folks thoughts on this: https://twitter.com/lsanger/status/1143911954072907776
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chrisaldrich /soft_quit << https://twitter.com/lsanger/status/1143911954072907776
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "/soft_quit" or similar
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chrisaldrich soft quit << https://twitter.com/lsanger/status/1143911954072907776
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/lsanger/status/1143911954072907776" to the "See Also" section of /soft_quit https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62808&oldid=62395
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aaronpk chrisaldrich: it looks like his latest revision did not include my and other's suggestions about acknowledging that online abuse and harassment are problems, even though he mentioned to me that he was considering adding it
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chrisaldrich He'd shared an early draft with me as well... I think I'd made that and a few other suggestions which I'm not seeing either.
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chrisaldrich His Independence day reminds me a bit of Mike Elgan's post back in December: https://elgan.com/blog/a-declaration-of-independence-from-facebook
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[kevinmarks786] love this post, fluffy: https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/5709-Keeping-it-personal
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aaronpk yeah! I think that's gonna lead to some very interesting discussions this weekend :)
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] this was my response to being asked: https://larrysanger.org/2019/05/why-should-we-restrict-harmful-speech/#comment-333636 I haven't read the version to see if the declaration is a document I can sign
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[tonz] [snarfed] am I right in assuming you can’t connect 2 sites to 1 Twitter account with Bridgy? (The case is indiewebifying my wife’s personal and business blog and connecting both to her twitter account).
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[snarfed] [tonz] sure you can! just add both web sites toe the twitter profile. https://brid.gy/about#profile-links
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[tonz] [snarfed] awesome!
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[kevinmarks786] This thread is interesting in terms of how twitter keeps breaking discourse https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/1143949002536300544?s=20
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MrKapowski Interesting, and somewhat worrying
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MrKapowski displaying interactions to followers of my followers was already verging on problematic (I had many a bad experience on my old account which had a much larger following than I do now), but freely showing tweets with X "engagement" in the timeline of any random user? That makes me very uneasy
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KartikPrabhu isn't that good for "discovery" ?
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chrisaldrich What is a syndication link?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "syndication link" yet. Would you like to create it?_X (Or just say "syndication link is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich Wat?
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chrisaldrich I know there's something...
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chrisaldrich What is posts elsewhere?
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Loqi posts elsewhere is a UI section of posts permalink pages that link to POSSE copies, like on social media silos, and sometimes on commentary silos like Hacker News https://indieweb.org/posts-elsewhere
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chrisaldrich syndication link is /posts_elsewhere
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu what is syndication?
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Loqi syndication may refer to the practice of syndication (aka cross-posting, for example practicing POSSE to ownyourdata), a specific copy or instance of syndication, or the u-syndication property https://indieweb.org/syndication
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chrisaldrich Lots of quirky niceties missing in the Twitter redesign for desktop missing, particularly in permalinks that used to exist...
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chrisaldrich I'm also finding that old muted phrases (detailed here: https://twitter.com/Nikolo_z/status/1111034767552716800?s=20) aren't working anymore....