#indieweb 2019-07-22

2019-07-22 UTC
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DanC ah! thanks, aaronpk ... did I miss a straightforward path to that page?
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aaronpk I just googled it :)
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DanC thought he tried that. hmm.
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DanC ah... "custom domain site:micro.blog" works.
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DanC say... aaronpk [tantek] any plans to come to KC any time soon? The Kauffman conference center is a great place to host meetings; I'd be happy to host an IndieWeb thing there.
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aaronpk hah I was just there last week!
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DanC fyi, visiting tantek.com gives me clear-text http; doesn't redirect to https://tantek.com/
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DanC nooooo! I just missed you?!!?
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aaronpk I post all my trips on my website now, but we really need some sort of aggregator of these! https://aaronparecki.com/trips
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Loqi Austin and Boston
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aaronpk loqi...
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DanC aaronpk, what brought you to KC? wait... you were here for an event called KCDC? my handle is dckc on twitter/github/etc.
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DanC oktadev? TIL: https://www.okta.com/
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DanC what is okta?
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Loqi Okta is a service that handles authentication and user registration for apps, and is also a sponsor of several IndieWeb events https://indieweb.org/Okta
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[dogeared] Austin and Boston kind of rhymes
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel Good morning!
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Loqi *yawn* ... /stretch/
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jeremycherfas Good morning Zegnat and sknebel
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Zegnat Good morning jeremycherfas! :)
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petermolnar Spotify "download your data": it goes back only 3 months
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petermolnar wth
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petermolnar now I'm getting worried if lastfm will ever get bitten by data retention where the whole point is retention
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petermolnar no likes, no upvotes in spotify data takeout
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[tonz] [petermolnar_] also see https://ruk.ca/content/what-spotify-takeout-contains
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Loqi [Peter Rukavina] What the Spotify Takeout Contains
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Together v3" https://grant.codes/2019/07/08/together
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[snarfed] ^ wow! sounds like a big rewrite
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[grantcodes] Yeah was huge
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[grantcodes] Worth it though
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[snarfed] grantcodes++
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Loqi grantcodes has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (47 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu https://twitter.com/jesslynnrose/status/1153248561317974016
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KartikPrabhu does Loqi not find twitter content anymore?
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aaronpk hmm i wonder if the API keys expired
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KartikPrabhu here is one response about "dogfood" https://twitter.com/gordogan/status/1153248877572689922
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@gordogan @jesslynnrose Eating yr own dogfood (twitter.com/_/status/1153248877572689922)
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KartikPrabhu oh hey that one worked!!
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aaronpk huh
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sknebel vHWC: https://zoom.us/j/4955358768
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[tantek] ok this is weird, I'm getting *both* old and new Twitter web UI for tweet permalinks
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[fluffy] yeah there seems to be some weird a/b superposition on twitter’s UI for me too
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[fluffy] like they’re doing a really bad A/B test that’s been rolling out in the worst possible way.
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[fluffy] per-request instead of per-user.
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jacky that's _very_ bad
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[tantek] also when it fails they give me an error message blaming me or my account
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[tantek] I need to screenshot that - such bad "shame UI"
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[tantek] what is interested-in
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "interested-in" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "interested-in is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hmm
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[fluffy] Oh yeah whenever a tweet opens in an embedded browser without my login it always tells me my account is rate-limited.
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[fluffy] Which makes me think they’re rate-limiting all logged-out people as a single user.
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[tantek] maybe I have too many tabs open?
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[tantek] Zegnat, I think it's worth exploring "interests" either in combination with or separate from "interested-in"
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Zegnat Yes, I think so too. I have them on my CV, so why not on my site
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[tantek] yes, CV / resume is another good context for interests
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[tantek] is an interest kind of like an evergreen /want ?
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[tantek] what is a want
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Loqi want is a rare post type on the indieweb, where the author posts something (acquisition) or experience (book to read, movie to watch, venue to checkin, food/dish they'd like to try) they want get or do https://indieweb.org/want
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Zegnat I think they are more like skills? They are ongoing and constantly evolving/developing.
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Zegnat What is skill?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "skill" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "skill is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Hmm, skills are a thing on Workplace (corporate Facebook) and LinkedIn, I think?
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[tantek] skills are very different though have some overlap in vocabulary
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[tantek] also applies only to experiences not things
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[tantek] whether or not you are skilled at something is somewhat independent of whether or not you want to do it
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KartikPrabhu there already is a "p-skill" in hresume
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Zegnat Yes, but I think interest is more of a personal trait (like a skill) than like a want
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[tantek] wants are usually quite personal as well
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[fluffy] To me, “skill” is “something I can do,” whereas “interest” is “something I want to do.”
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[tantek] want feels stronger than interest
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[fluffy] Or want to be doing.
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[fluffy] Like, I have both Python and Java as skills, but only one of those is an interest 😛
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Loqi hey KartikPrabhu, [fluffy]: that's a lot of dev jargon! can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[fluffy] I’d do a rolleyes emoji but I suspect the Slack thing wouldn’t translate to IRC.
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KartikPrabhu go home Loqi!
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[tantek] successfully ducked Loqi 😂
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[snarfed] more important q: is there a consuming use case for wants, interests, skills? great to post them all, but we only need mf2 if we need code to consume them and do something specific
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[tantek] glad you asked snarfed 😄
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[fluffy] My main question about h-resume is what’s the intended use case for it. IndieWeb linkedin?
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[tantek] a /reader could help you /discover people with common interests
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[snarfed] heh fluffy i have the same use case q about h-resume
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[snarfed] yeah discovery is reasonable
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[fluffy] Last thing I want is another means for recruiters to start spamming me.
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[tantek] fluffy, that's /contact, not /resume 🙂
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[fluffy] Heh.
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[fluffy] I’ll move ranty part over to chat
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[tantek] snarfed, a /reader that could filter for /want posts could be quite handy especially if that same reader was able to parse for the author's /birthday — Hey, your friend so-and-so's birthday is coming up, and looks like they want a, b, c!
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[tantek] an indieweb address book would be another good consuming use case for resumes and skills, to answer questions like "who do I know that has worked at OrgName?", or "who do I know that has skills in this-thing-I-have-a-question-about?"
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[fluffy] So, IndieWeb social-parts-of-LinkedIn then?
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[fluffy] I could see that as being valuable.
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[fluffy] Modulo the usual privacy implications of putting too much of yourself online. But insert my usual rant about how I’ve been targeted/harassed/stalked online.
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[tantek] another use-case for want ... I have items a,b,c that I'm getting rid of (Kondo-ing), do any of my followings /want any of them?
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[fluffy] Would that be more of a negative-want? a tnaw, as it were?
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[fluffy] have-but-do-not-want
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[tantek] it would be a /listing
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[tantek] only if you wanted to post it (publicly) as it were
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[tantek] you may have things that you are getting rid of that you do not want to post about
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[tantek] but others are (apparently) ok posting a /want for
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[tantek] the querying / use-cases work both directions, depending on comfort with posting the /want or /listing and desire for privacy with the same
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[fluffy] Right, makes sense.
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[tantek] in the past I've occasionally posted things I'm getting rid of, and people have sometimes responded saying they want them!
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[tantek] so things have found a better / more local / more likely to be re-used & cared-for home than (insert local donation center here)
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[schmarty] it worked well for me last year. https://martymcgui.re/2018/11/27/a-blog-yard-sale-blarg-sale/
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[fluffy] Now my brain is occupied trying to come up with a clever portmanteau of “IndieWeb” and “Craigslist”
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[schmarty] lol that led me to "The CraigslieWeb" and "The IndieCrag"
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aaronpk Craigslieweb 😂
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[grantcodes] Heh, I got telegram syndication working on my site now. No idea if anyone will follow me there, but it's fun
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[tantek] what does telegram syndication mean functionally?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Why I Have a Website and You Should Too" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/07/22/why-website/
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[grantcodes] There's a public channel that people can follow and my posts will automatically be pushed there.
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[tantek] TIL telegram has pubic channels!
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[tantek] public* argh
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[grantcodes] Haha definitely the later
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[grantcodes] https://grant.codes/media/2019/07/22/Screenshot_20190723-000026_Telegram_X.png
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[grantcodes] Looks a bit like that. But it supports photos, videos, audio and a small amount of formatting (bold, italic etc) so my posts end up looking pretty decent in there
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gRegorLove Whoa, that's cool
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[snarfed] experimenting with a visual indicator for unlisted/private posts: https://snarfed.org/unlisted-something-quieter-eelea9aingai5eih
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[snarfed] design could be better on mobile, but looks ok on desktop
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[tantek] oooh cool!
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[snarfed] could also add something like "Please share thoughtfully"
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[tantek] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/dataspii-technical-deep-dive/
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GWG [snarfed]: What are you doing with it on the WordPress side?
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GWG [snarfed]: Just setting it to private in the WordPress ui?