#indieweb 2019-08-21

2019-08-21 UTC
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[jgmac1106] Orwell's Navel is the name of my next band or blog... Or maybe my band's blog
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[prtksxna] Goa HWC starting 🙂
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[tantek] \o/
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[tantek] Just waking up here in SF
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[tantek] [prtksxna] will anyone in Goa be able to make it to any of our autumn IndieWebCamps?
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[tantek] Or is there interest in planning one for a weekend in Goa?
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[prtksxna] I don’t think so [tantek] The only travel I have planned this year is Portland in the winter. I don’t think there is a camp then.
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[xavierroy] [prtksxna] I was held up at work. Would love to attend the next one remotely
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[xavierroy] Realised doing a remote presentation is a lot harder than presenting in a room ☹
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aaronpk [prtksxna]: !!! Let me know when you'll be in Portland and we can try to at least have a popup home brew website club!
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[prtksxna] Oh yeah, that’d be nice 🙂
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jgmac1106 wow facebook collects traffic from a thirds of all websites with login with facebook and the like buttomn: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/off-facebook-activity-feature-clear-history
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aaronpk I realized the other way I can partially solve this problem is to post my followup messages as a reply to a post on my site, so that I don't "flood" my home page, but I still make individual posts with their own timestamps and tags and such
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[jgmac1106] that is how I was doing my to-do list. I had a page i updated with to-do, doing, done and then sent a note that was unlisted with a webmention to the page
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] not if you're running Firefox. We block that by default 😛
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[tantek] (re: fb login/like button traffic)
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jgmac1106 ahh yes, good point another #foxyeah
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jgmac1106 oops fogot that is a channel
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[tantek] [aaronpk] discovers notestorming himself 😉
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jgmac1106 you were wondering where it belonged…maybe the tweetstorm page is, as we were debatign how to handle and present a ton of notes without flooding your main feed
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aaronpk yea might be the easiest way to do it, since it requires no additional UI to manage
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aaronpk just means i have to make sure to click my "reply" button rather than start a new note, which isn't too much to ask
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aaronpk i also like that it doesn't require extra effort like making a wrap-up post at the end of the day
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aaronpk and i can continue threads between days if i want
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jgmac1106 has forgotten the reply many a time and broken a thread on twitter, atleast on my website I can fix, always wanted a start thread and end thread button so adding the reply was automatic
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aaronpk next up i need to add something to Quill that lets me post videos from it, because right now the only way to get videos onto my site is via instagram
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[KevinMarks] I have the opposite problem with noterlive, I forget to end threads
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jgmac1106 and then have all the webmentions display on the first post, n-1 on second post, etc
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aaronpk oh i guess i have that iOS Shortcut for posting videos, so i could add a reply field to that
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jgmac1106 I love noterlive, use it for live blogging a ton, I need a plain note Kevinmarks, as I maybe covering event but not on panel so shouldn’t interject myself just my thoughts…and in noterlive
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[tantek] aaronpk, you could put in a textarea input box at the top of your hashtag pages which adds to the most recent thread on that hashtag
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[tantek] so you see the context of previous stuff in that hashtag before you add to it
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aaronpk if i had any interface on my site for posting content i might do that :)
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[jeremycherfas] [jgmac1106] Only a third?
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[prtksxna] Is there a way to post a webm to the wiki, does it load video?
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[prtksxna] It isn’t a video, just a long gif.
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aaronpk -> #indieweb-meta
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[prtksxna] Yeah, sorry [xavierroy] I am going to try and make them more remote friendly once we have a constant venue.
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[prtksxna] This one had a big screen, and I am sure someone could get a web cam. The other venue had some wifi issues…
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[timothy_chamber So on this idea I posted earlier; if i were to create a Mastodon instance, or Mastodon fork for discussing all things #indieweb, #openweb, #fediverse and perhaps also #identity focued ...and wanted to make it potenitally forked so it could also be a lab supporting better integration of #indieweb standards and #Mastodon... and folks that are #indieweb could interact with it from their websites or web tools. I'm now looking for what "brand"
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[timothy_chamber would best cover all that. I was thinking "Openweb" might be inclusive of all those, so perhaps "OPENWEB.TOOLS" or OPENWEB.SOFTWARE or OPENWEB.CLOUD? Do any of those seem compelling?
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[timothy_chamber https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/archives/C03QR2B4R/p1565107480301700
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[fluffy] indieweb.social maybe?
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[fluffy] and I’d love to see a mastodon fork that preserves/improves indieweb interop
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[fluffy] like adding mf2 and webmention, restoring atom, etc.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "How to RSVP to an Indie Event from your Website" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/08/21/rsvp-from-your-website/
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[fluffy] also seems like a good testbed for private webmentions, rsvp/event posts, etc.
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[tantek] [fluffy] indeed — would be good to show what good indieweb interop looks like in Mastodon
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[fluffy] yeah mastodon is *so close* to being great but they have to be all-in on ActivityPub 😞
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[fluffy] bridgy fed kinda-sorta handles the gap but… it’s clunky at best.
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[tantek] supporting one doesn't mean not supporting the other
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[fluffy] sure
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[fluffy] I’m just saying, they’ve decided (organizationally) that ActivityPub is the future and therefore the only
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[tantek] I think a working example of that (supporting both side by side) would help demonstrate it's a good thing
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[fluffy] I was actually using atom feeds to subscribe to some webcomics, which of course don’t work ever since they removed atom because “OStatus is dead” (which it is, but what does that have to do with atom?)
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[tantek] making it clear that any such adversarial framing is an artificial dichotomy and not helpful to anyone
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[fluffy] (I mean beyond OStatus being atom-based)
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Loqi hey [fluffy]: we try to keep jargon out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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[fluffy] That’s fair
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[tantek] fair
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gRegorLove Howdy #indieweb, it's been a minute o/
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[tantek] 👋
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[KevinMarks] I am a little wary of suggesting something else called indieweb. Open web may be better
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[tantek] too bad openweb tech is taken
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[fluffy] I was thinking indieweb.social just because hey, it’s a mastodon instance for indieweb folks.
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[tantek] indieweb folks are their own instance 🙂
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[tantek] s
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aaronpk someone made a mastodon at indieweb.social already
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aaronpk looks like it's gone now tho
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[fluffy] oh, poo. thanks to the nature of activitypub, once a domain is used by activitypub it’s basically tainted/useless forever 😕
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[fluffy] at least, once it’s visible to mastodon in general
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[fluffy] like common guidance is: if a domain dies, instances get annoyed by error messages and blacklist it once it’s gone, and getting it off the blacklist is basically impossible
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[fluffy] and then there’s the question of username reuse and such
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[fluffy] a LOT of ongoing fediverse drama surrounds instance admins disappearing 😕
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[fluffy] or generally abandoning the instance
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[fluffy] on a related note, what is the general thoughts around what happens when an indieweb site changes domains, or disappears and gets squatted on? I mean beyond that that normally means for a website going that way
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aaronpk not a lot https://indieweb.org/migration#Domain_Changes
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[fluffy] I’m thinking more in terms of the implications for third party service things like aperture or wrbmention.io or whatever
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aaronpk i know. that's the only place in the wiki i could remember anything related
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aaronpk it's relatively unexplored right now
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[fluffy] Ok. That’s what I figured.
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[fluffy] Self-host all the things is a perfectly valid answer, incidentally. :)
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[tantek] or at least all the things you share names of with others
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[tantek] (backend services can be swapped out as needed)
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[fluffy] well okay if there’s a means of exporting/importing data when going between backends that’s also an acceptable solution
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[tantek] this is an interesting line of questioning: https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/1164318286542016513
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@dietrich @t @MozSF @benwerd @generativist @html5cat @NurtureGirl @feross @maira Bah. I didn't have this in my calendar, can't join tonight. What's the #indieweb strategy for a Google Calendar replacement? I'd love to set that up. (twitter.com/_/status/1164318286542016513)