#indieweb 2019-09-30

2019-09-30 UTC
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olind Hello! Heard about indieweb on a wordpress pod. I would like to publish and work in WordPress but if possible push changes to my instagram. Wold that be possible?
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[JHSheridan] Hi Olind: Unfortunately, instagram has recently limited the API calls allowed by the two best tools for instagram/indieweb connection... Bridgy and OwnYourGram. The community has been having an on-going discussion as to what to do about this, but I don't think there's a cut and dry solution as of yet.
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olind thanks! ok, as i suspected :)
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olind not toooo keen on insta but it seems as everyone is there
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[JHSheridan] I feel exactly the same
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[JHSheridan] Twitter and bridgy work really well together. I'm strongly considering leaving instagram behind and just posting all my photos on Twitter (which will then be sent to mastodon)
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[JHSheridan] Makes things easier, and removes reliance on another silo
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[JHSheridan] but I do have the same feeling as you (everyone is there)
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[JHSheridan] I'm just putting the final touches on my site, and I've realized that the decisions you have to make about which silos to interact with and how everything should fit together are just as difficult as the technical issues. This is a really great and friendly community though, and people are really nice and helpful and willing to discuss here.
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[JHSheridan] Make sure you join the #indieweb-wordpress channel as well if you're going to be using Wordpress to get on the indieweb. Wordpress was my choice as well, so I'm happy to help you however I can.
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olind thanks a lot :)
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olind for my personal webb i can just ditch instagram (havent been on there for 3 months)
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olind but i run a small indie-climbing-company and it would be really nice to at least have some precensce there
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[JHSheridan] nice... would be cool to see some businesses go indieweb
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dansup speaking of instagram ...
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dansup have you heard of pixelfed.org?
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dansup it uses ActivityPub federation and atom feeds, we're working on more indieweb features :)
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dansup example account: https://pixelfed.social/earth
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sebsel yea for a business you’re not only looking for a place to post and share photo’s, it’s also the network Instagram gives you. Hard to replace that.
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sebsel I do manual crossposting. That is also a valid strategy: more work, but it works. You can automate some steps in it
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olind Yes, i have done manual cross posting before
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olind but got so sick of fb/ig this spring that i might be ok with just leaving it totaly
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dansup the network effect is real, it only takes one kardashian/jenner to join pixelfed ;)
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dansup the indieweb needs to be more user friendly, and activitypub will help with that
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[JHSheridan] Nice work dansup... I remember seeing this project a while back, but I had no idea the creator was an indieweber
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dansup thanks! I swear I will finish this before the end of year, heh https://github.com/dansup/php-micropub
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[frank] RE Instagram, there are some bridges that help you out somehow, like Buffer.com and CoSchedule. You still need to manually post but they do the heavy lifting of copy/paste text and images. It's not free if you are a heavy user and maybe not as open and "yourself-owned" as you'd want it to be.
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olind thanks a lot, it's not worth the effort for me. I think I just leave it instead :)
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[JHSheridan] just signed up for pixelfed [dansup]
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dansup [JHSheridan]: awesome, just be aware that pixelfed.social is slower than the rest due to the amount of active users. I'm working on performance improvements
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olind Me to :)
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dansup it has an average of 2k MAU which strains the small VPS its hosted on
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dansup the growth has blown my mind, https://the-federation.info/node/pixelfed.social
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dansup projects like this can expose a lot of people to the indieweb without even realizing it.
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[JHSheridan] awesome growth
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[JHSheridan] So there's no indieweb integration yet? But it's coming?
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dansup yes, webmentions and micropub are the priority
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dansup atom feeds are supported atm, https://pixelfed.social/users/earth.atom
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[JHSheridan] awesome
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[pfefferle] Hey [dansup]
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[pfefferle] I am lost... pfefferle.org syndicates without problems... but notiz.blog does not work 😞
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dansup hi
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dansup hmm, I will investigate!
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[JHSheridan] [pfefferle] can you give a brief answer as to how you're syndicating to pixelfed? Maybe a link to something on the wiki that'll give me a thread to pull on?
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sebsel I think the 'how' seems more like a discussion for the #dev channel :)
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[JHSheridan] gotcha!
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[pfefferle] [dansup] let me know if I can help debugging
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olind Sorry for stupid question. I registered on pixelfed.social but I don't know where to start for autopublishing & if possible republish my old content from wordpress or if possible from ig
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[pfefferle] i do not autopublish/syndicate to pixelfed… you can directly subscribe to my blog on pixelfed…
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jeremycherfas Good morning all. I hope everyone had a good time at IWC AMS and look forward to reading and watching all about it.
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[JHSheridan] Hi all... I'm working on my "Hello World" post on my new indieweb site. I'm using it as an opportunity to explain why I've chosen to go IndieWeb over communicating strictly thru the silos themselves. Does anyone think that there's anything better than the 3 principles listed on the home page to quickly sum up what the indieweb is to a non-technical audience. By that I mean "Your content is yours", "You are better connected", and "You are in
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[JHSheridan] Control".
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jeremycherfas That's as good as anything, I reckon.
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jeremycherfas Although I quibble aspects of better connected (if you don't POSSE and backfeed) and control (if you depend on hosting).
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jeremycherfas Those are just quibbles though.
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[JHSheridan] Thanks Jeremy
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[jgmac1106] not connecting only on silos is a better connection, even if it is a connection of one
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jeremycherfas YMMV
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[tonz] [JHSheridan] I use, your identity your creative output and your conversations/interaction all in one place, yours
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[JHSheridan] thanks [tonz]
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[tonz] This is a useful phrasing of why we came to the conclusion at IndieWebCamp Amsterdam that Flickr is 'mostly fine' https://infullflow.net/2019/09/indieweb-its-about-first-ownership/ (unlike w fb or T with photos by definition the first instance of what you share is on your own devices)
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[JHSheridan] perfect.. thanks for sharing
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[pfefferle] [dansup]++
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[jgmac1106] https://cogdogblog.com/2019/09/lacktribution/
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[manton] Sounds like a good discussion about Flickr, although I think from an IndieWeb perspective it's much simpler to talk about personal domain names and ownership. Otherwise people get lost in the weeds with servers, copies of the content, etc. If you want to own your content on the web, you put it at your own domain. That's it. Everything else is icing on the cake.
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[snarfed] manton++
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[jgmac1106] manton, I downloaded my images over 1tb. I can't put on my domain, need an intermediary for manjority and use my website for a highlight reel
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[snarfed] sure! indieweb can be a spectrum, not black and white. eg most (all?) photos on tantek.com are hosted externally, eg on foursquare or indieweb.org
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[snarfed] using your own domain for web pages is probably more important than for assets, even photos, since permalinks you distribute are usually pages and not raw images
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[jgmac1106] that makes sense
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[jgmac1106] just investigating myself as I am playing with images and trying to figure out how best to serve them
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[manton] Yeah, 1 TB is difficult except for a place that is designed for photos. Although I don’t think blogs need full-resolution photos either.
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[jgmac1106] They don't at all... Learning img optomization is next goal
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[jgmac1106] Could see offering a request full version contact form
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[adam] I’ve got some basic micropub things working on my site now, signed up for microsub with Aperture, but unclear how to get, e.g. my Twitter feed into Aperture. is that possible?
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[KevinMarks] Use https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/
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[snarfed] ...which is a good nudge. twitter now blocks new API keys on an approval process, and i expect they'll turn down people who say they want an app for twitter-atom. i need to figure out what to do there.
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[snarfed] [adam] in the meantime feel free to use https://granary.io/ instead
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[KevinMarks] https://granary.io/ is more comprehensive, yes
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[snarfed] more importantly it uses its own twitter API key instead of making you bring your own
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[adam] great, thanks all
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[adam] Ok, maybe I’m being silly, but what URL does Aperture need once I’m setup on Granary?
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[snarfed] after you log in with twitter, change the format drop-down to atom, then click GET, then copy the URL at the top of the output box
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[snarfed] (apologies for the UI, granary is mostly meant for developers, not end users)
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[adam] (i am a developer, it’s just late 🙈)
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[snarfed] lol
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[adam] ok, that worked, far too much micropub work for one evening, but at least it’s working! Thanks for you help