#indieweb 2019-10-09
2019-10-09 UTC
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[KevinMarks] Ok, plan C. Can we encourage matt to make tumblr more indieweb friendly?
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KartikPrabhu what's plan D :P
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[jgmac1106] [KevinMarks] scroll up had same thought.
# [jgmac1106] I worry Blogger could cut off using legacy theme.. But directions are on /Getting_Started
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cambridgeport90[ Anything that requires legacy anything for support of these protocols a bad idea, if you ask me.
# [jgmac1106] Yeah good point
# KartikPrabhu legacy theme is just good ol' HTML+CSS
# KartikPrabhu Blogger has "fancy" JS based themes
# [jgmac1106] I could keep styling https://indieweb.org/Tutorial_Set_up_an_Indie_Website_using_Blogger made minimum theme adjustments to add h-card and h-entry
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@realMABarreto This is quite possibly, the greatest published article ever. "We show that LaTeX users were slower than Word users, wrote less text in the same amount of time, and produced more typesetting, orthographical, grammatical, and formatting errors" https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0115069 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGYltUXU4AADBNe.png (twitter.com/_/status/1181673414722867200)
# [KevinMarks] This seems relevant, somehow.
# KartikPrabhu well good luck with math
# KartikPrabhu MS Word is good and fast for "words"
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# KartikPrabhu oh well good for them
# KartikPrabhu I can race someone to write one of my formulae in Word
# KartikPrabhu riting 2+2 is easy
# KartikPrabhu I guess I should have used Word for that sentence
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# [jgmac1106] random thought..anyone up for a spooktackular CSS challenge, let's dress up our stylesheets for Halloween
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# KartikPrabhu [tantek]: actually even if you look at that paper, the math eqns were much better with both expert and novice for Latex than Word
# KartikPrabhu yes
# KartikPrabhu I know there are a lot of Latex "fanatics", I have just found it more useful t use Latex for what I do which is not writing an essay but actual math
# KartikPrabhu people even draw diagrams in Latex which is insane, I just use Inkscape and SVG
# KartikPrabhu use the appropriate tool for the job
# KartikPrabhu and if I want to write an essay I use HTML anyway :P
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# [Michael_Beckwit I now have pseudo-check-ins for my coffee consumption in that i installed some plugins, created a form, and just manually create a post from the frontend of my website.
# [Michael_Beckwit and you know, not everything needs to be hand rolled 😄
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[jeremycherfas] I don’t know about Latex, but I do know that yesterday I finally took the time to create my own reference.docx for Pandoc and it will make it even more likely that I never again originate anything in Word.
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# [KevinMarks] I have stirred this pot before http://www.kevinmarks.com/htmlversustex.html
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# jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas My real problem is not with Word itself, it is with the vast majority of people who (ab)use Word and then ask me to edit their files.
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# [jgmac1106] Kids get to college now and be like... Wow this Microsoft Word is a really crappy version of gDoca
# [jgmac1106] GDocs
# jeremycherfas Do they have to use Word? Why don't they stay on GDocs, if that's what they know?
# [jgmac1106] Because they get to a university where hardware still underwritten by MSFT in exchange for site licenses... And taught by old people qho can't get fired and thus don't use new things
# [jgmac1106] Who*
# [jgmac1106] Many universities moving to GSuite though when they realize the admintax savings is greater than msft handouts... But this more chat
# jeremycherfas My question,. I guess, is how to students submit their work these days? And I'm guessing, based on what you say, that it is as Word files, rather than paper or PDF.
# [jgmac1106] For me... On their websites, I am Processo agnostic... For most some kind of eletric file in the LMS
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@davemethvin Twitter suspended the @TC39 account and sent them a "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID DON'T @ US" letter. Truly strange. https://twitter.com/littlecalculist/status/1181697961115258880 (twitter.com/_/status/1181759003392655362)
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petermolnar let them use Word; at least that's an offline product and can't be taken away with a handwave easily
# petermolnar gdocs can block any account any time
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[manton] Catching up on yesterday's discussion about pointing new people to the best IndieWeb-friendly place to start a blog... WordPress.com is still a good choice for a completely "free" (with ads) option. I'm biased on paid hosting, but Micro.blog will have more IndieWeb-related features for the same price as premium WordPress.com. So I think a mixed approach is fine, where the recommendation varies based on what the user needs.
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# [snarfed] [manton] speaking of which, any thoughts on prioritizing outbound webmentions on micro.blog posts? 😁 ie https://github.com/microdotblog/issues/issues/75#issuecomment-459856232
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Loqi [aaronpk] It sounds like this has been mostly implemented?
https://www.manton.org/2018/10/09/webmention-improvements-on.html
> Previously, Micro.blog would discard replies that could not be associated with an existing user. Now, these replies will be inc...
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# [manton] [tantek] I think I missed hearing about the RSVP problems (although I can imagine, having done an RSVP manually back when I used WordPress a few years ago). It's an interesting problem... WP.com is easy to start but too limiting. Self-hosted WP is powerful but too much work for new users.
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# [arush] Hey all. I'm wondering if there's somewhere I can donate specifically to Indiewebcamp NYC to help cover costs for things like transcribing keynotes/talks.
# [arush] I would say wpcom is good for the having your own domain step and the getting a quick website up and running step of Indieweb. But at this point i'm recommending Micro.blog with a third-party client for people who need accessibility.
# [arush] And I'm saying that as a WordPress contributor.
# [arush] @'++ will do. Thanks.
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[schmarty] arush: we typically offer a "donate" option for registration where you can choose an amount to donate towards the event. I think in this case we have it covered but as tantek said jgmac1106 knows for sure!
# [schmarty] And thank you for the offer!!
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Trip Advisor" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Trip Advisor is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] !tell [manton] I remember your post about migrating from WordPress to micro.blog, do you know if anyone has done (especially written about) migrating from Medium to micro.blog? I stubbed a section here that could use more detail / links: https://indieweb.org/Medium#How_to_migrate_away
# [tantek] also found this: https://www.matt17r.com/2019/02/25/why-i-moved.html
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