#indieweb 2019-10-17

2019-10-17 UTC
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[tantek] we've got a pretty decent group here at HWC SF with a bunch of overlap with LocalFirst / Offline First folks!
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[tantek] one of the folks who builds https://peermaps.org/ is here
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[tantek] telling folks about 11ty
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[tantek] apparently people are in town for jamstack
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[tantek] aka # jamstackconf
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[tantek] e.g. https://twitter.com/zachleat/status/1184609362490183680
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@zachleat Oh hi! @ohshitgit from @ksylor is built using @eleven_ty. #jamstackconf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHCT7F_UwAEZ95y.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1184609362490183680)
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[tantek] there's a debate between offlinefirst vs localfirst
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[tantek] offlinefirst doesn't mean you have all your data locally
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[tantek] ~15 people here
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[tantek] just took a photo
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[tantek] Carissa is demoing Mapeo
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[tantek] offline mapping, works with files which can be shared / sync'd over USB sticks etc.
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[tantek] can also have offline map tiles
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[tantek] mapeo.world
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[tantek] PC, Mac, Linux, also Android app. latest update released 6 days ago
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[tantek] up next: Scott
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[tantek] showing https://bits.coop
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[tantek] works on a team of 4 at bits.coop
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[tantek] like to work on weird things and in weird places like Hawaii
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[tantek] one of their projects is https://peermaps.org
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[tantek] it sits on top of OpenStreetMaps
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[tantek] helps interact with OpenStreetMaps in a peer to peer fashion
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[tantek] Up next: noffe
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[tantek] loves IRC because it's community owned infrastructure
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[tantek] loves Slack because the interface is successful for non-hacker types
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[tantek] he's been working on this thing called Cabal
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[tantek] a cabal is identified by a dat: URL with cabal: infront of it
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[tantek] and if you say cabal and the cabal: URL then it opens the chat server there
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[tantek] it's all peer to peer, he downloads it by connecting to one of the peers hosting that content
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[tantek] check it out at cabal.chat
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[tantek] up next: Ilya
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[tantek] working on a project called Webrecorder
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[tantek] what is Webrecorder
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Webrecorder" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Webrecorder is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] [pretty sure we have that on the wiki somewhere)
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[tantek] ]
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[tantek] Webrecorder.io - also available as an Electron app
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[tantek] has a new feature called Autopilot
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[tantek] can automate certain things
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[tantek] loaded the Instagram for Rhizomedotorg
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[tantek] autopilot is going through each permalink automatically
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[tantek] a way to create a local archive of any website
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[tantek] can create custom behaviors for each website
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[tantek] shows how many MB it's recording
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[tantek] you can say stop. and then browse what it's archived
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[tantek] tool can load WARC or HAR files
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[tantek] up next: Jake
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[tantek] showing an Electron app "Programmable Matter"
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[tantek] up next: ...
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[tantek] working on avoiding abuse online in gaming
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[tantek] s/.../Eril
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[tantek] up next: ???
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[tantek] working on internet connected ovens, locally networked
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[tantek] up next: Matt
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[tantek] demoing PushPin
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[tantek] continuation of a project that he worked on at Ink & Switch
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[tantek] a place to collect and organize your things
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[tantek] each person that's using PushPin can have multiple devices
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[tantek] each of these devices can connect peer to peer
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[tantek] what happens when one person's device is offline?
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[tantek] we want to keep it friendly for folks are non-technical
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[tantek] working on pushpin-peer
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[tantek] someone who has some technical knowledge can spin up a pushpin-peer
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[tantek] doesn't have to be on a fixed IP, nothing special about it, just a machine that will stay up
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[tantek] pushpin-peer will give you a single URL that you can paste into a pushpin app
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[tantek] if you want to replicate your data to that peer, you can jump in and register with that peer, and if your devices are later offline, people can grab the data from that peer
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[tantek] showed Storage Peer Control
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[tantek] still working on it
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[tantek] how are people managing storage peers
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[tantek] how are you communicating it to non-technical users in a meaningful way
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[tantek] e.g. like his brother who works in sales
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[tantek] up next: Jeff
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[tantek] has been working last two weeks on document storage database
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[tantek] shows dragging files in, moving them around
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[tantek] creating a new document from scratch
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[tantek] every document in their document store is an auto-merge CRDT
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[tantek] hypermerge = hypercore + automerge
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[tantek] when you're offline and you disconnect, you can still make changes and when you get online it syncs
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[tantek] next up: molly
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[tantek] shows Brave's settings UI
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[tantek] (the browser)
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[tantek] looks at extensions, finds an IPFS Companion option
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[tantek] shows files, things that she's pinned
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[tantek] can pin images to IPFS
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[tantek] decides whether or not to keep the filename
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[tantek] showing PeerPad loading from her local gateway
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[tantek] using an embedded JS IPFS node
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[tantek] shows it working in Brave and Chrome
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[tantek] editing same document in sync
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[jgmac1106] wow enjoy everyone in SanFran signing off for the night
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[dougbeal] Had 5 at HWC Sea
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[dougbeal] The wifi was down for a bit
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gRegorLove Yay! and Aw.
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Loqi yay!
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[tantek] has started renaming SFO gate venues
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[tantek] starting with the G gates
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[tantek] I'm not creating new venues
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[tantek] and I'm renaming ambiguous venues to the first disambig option e.g. treating G101 as G101A -> G13
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[tantek] G gates done
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[tantek] lol part way through the F gates and...
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[tantek] "Sorry! We're having technical difficulties. / Check status.foursquare.com for the latest."
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[Rose] You'd think FourSquare would have a way for a venue to upload a canonise file for situations like this
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[tantek] maybe they do but SFO likely doesn't even know about them
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[tantek] F gates done
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[tantek] E gates done
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[KevinMarks] site-deaths << https://twitter.com/erincandescent/status/1184587323599736837?s=20
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@erincandescent Today it was announced that Yahoo! Groups is shutting down, and taking with it a piece of critical national infrastructure: the Oftel Yahoo Group which is used for managing UK phone number assignments. Yes, really: See Ofcom's website https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/56646/simwood.pdf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHB_4qbXkAAJTLZ.png (twitter.com/_/status/1184587323599736837)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/erincandescent/status/1184587323599736837?s=20" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=65582&oldid=64615
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petermolnar please tell me that's a hoax
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beko[m] Yahoo still exits at all? *plic
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Once again, my laptop is way behind my desktop and will take some work to get up to the mark for IWC Brighton.
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[Rose] Good luck!
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[Rose] should check out her new theme project onto her laptop
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jeremycherfas Yes; I need to checkout my new theme to a dev branch of my Grav install, because I think I am going to spend Sunday working to finish that, rather than anything completely new. Although you never know.
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jeremycherfas So far, I have been tinkering with it on a completely separate install.
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[Rose] I have got as far as creating CSS for my new theme...
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[Rose] And adding microformats 🙂
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jeremycherfas I have found it very difficult to test microformats with the purely local install, and ngrok wasn't doing it for me either. So the plan is to have the look abnd feel all working and then to add microformats to the production copy.
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jeremycherfas But I'd also like to set up some automation for writing posts, so be warned.
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[Rose] I borrowed from @GWG's theme as he has them in place, I figure it won't be perfect but it's a start. And then I can put it on a test install at some point for checking with various resources
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jeremycherfas I hope there's time to talk about why you went back from Grav to WP.
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[Rose] Automation, that's the one word summary
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jeremycherfas Interesting indeed. But lets save this for the weekend.
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cambridgeport90[ Is this another content management system? If so I've never heard of it.
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[Rose] Grav? It's a nice flat file CMS in PHP
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[Rose] What is Grav?
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Loqi Grav is a flat-file CMS built on PHP, with Twig templating, and YAML + Markdown for storing articles (YAML for metadata, Markdown for the content) https://indieweb.org/Grav
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petermolnar [Rose]: automation is an interesting topic, maybe we could raise it in Brighton. I regularly find myself automating for the sake of automation, not taking https://xkcd.com/1205/ into account.
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Loqi [XKCD] Is It Worth the Time? https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/is_it_worth_the_time_2x.png
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[Rose] Hah, I recently did a podcast episode called "Is it worth automating?", we should definitely talk about it!
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jeremycherfas Hands up everybody who knows the URL of that one and "Somebody is wrong on the Internet" by heart.
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[Rose] doesn't know it by heart, but has a quick shortcut to it
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beko[m] …this - and we need another standard 🙂
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[Rose] And Bobby Drop Tables
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petermolnar !xkcd
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[Rose] xkcd++
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Loqi xkcd has 1 karma over the last year
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petermolnar !xkcd duty calls
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Loqi http://xkcd.com/386/ http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
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petermolnar didn't know it by heart though
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jeremycherfas I find myself going halfway in automating things, when I could so easily finish the damn job. If we do have a session, then selfishly I'd like it to be really practical and hand on.
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[Rose] Ooh, I have to run downstairs and grab the NFC automation kit I'm bringing to IWC
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jeremycherfas I don't have enough use for either Standards or Bobby Drop Tables. But I see them often enough.
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beko[m] heh, good ol Bobby 🙂
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petermolnar standards ~= markdown ?
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beko[m] https://xkcd.com/927/
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Loqi [XKCD] Standards https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
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petermolnar !xkcd standards
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Loqi http://xkcd.com/927/ http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
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petermolnar faster ;)
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petermolnar oh, no, I meant the use case for standards is markdown itself
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petermolnar and all it's variations
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jeremycherfas Don't open that can of worms, please.
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petermolnar :D
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[tantek] Lolol
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[snarfed] any mastodon users interested in beta testing bridgy's new support? feel free to try it! https://brid.gy/
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[Rose] I see my mini weekend project 🔮
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[snarfed] [Rose] hopefully isn't even as big as a "project," at least on your end! just takes a few clicks to try
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[Rose] Good!
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[Rose] I need all the time available to work on my WordPress theme 😛
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[snarfed] example bridgy mastodon user page: https://brid.gy/mastodon/@snarfed@mastodon.technology
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[dougbeal] [snarfed]: sure
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[snarfed] woo, first backfed mastodon response! https://snarfed.org/2019-09-17_38793#comment-2750057 ([Nicolas_Hoizey]'s repost)
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[schmarty] snarfed++ 🎉
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