#indieweb 2019-10-22
2019-10-22 UTC
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[Michael_Beckwit I've heard in the past fitness trackers have been an issue for military personel
# [Michael_Beckwit but i also heard of one case where a device somehow detected pregnancy before anyone else
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# [Michael_Beckwit so what i'm hearing here is, use something besides Strava 😄
# [Michael_Beckwit and regardless of what you use, check your privacy settings
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nickname" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "nickname is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi Chat names is a list of chat regulars sorted by nickname, with their website and usual timezone(s) https://indieweb.org/chat-name
# Loqi h-card is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up people, organizations, and venues on web sites https://indieweb.org/hCard
# Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumés, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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[Rose] Specifically: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-card
# Loqi Martijn van der Ven is a long-time web tinkerer living in Sweden (CEST or Europe/Stockholm timezone). Pronouns: he or they https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
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mblaney luckily I have a special feature on my site for narrowing down mf2 data: https://unicyclic.com/php/microformats.php?url=https://vanderven.se/martijn/&item=0&property=pottermore-wand&json=on
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# [jacek] Anybody heard of https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/ ? Thinking how useful that might be for the indie web sites
# [jacek] (Decentralized IDentifiers)
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# [jacek] Thanks. I was thinking the same: we probably don't really need it
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# [jacek] Maybe a related thought: I was thinking after our Sunday's discussions on how to implement 'making posts be visible only to your contacts'.
# [jacek] On Sunday we've been saying that if a user wants to see you posts, he authenticates (i.e. using his indieauth), and thus receives session token, and with that, he can obtain posts that are visible only to him.
# [jacek] One note though: the data would need to be reencrypted with a new key when we remove a contact (so that he doesn't have access to it anymore). So then we'd need to give our contacts a new key whenever a contact is removed from our list.
# [jacek] but then you could track down who's exactly visiting your website, right? Some ppl wouldn't like that I guess?
# [jacek] So I was thinking: let's make the posts public, but encrypt them with a key. Then, when users authenticate, don't store any session; instead, just give them the key so they can decrypt the posts.
# [jacek] In such a way:
# [jacek] - posts are encrypted [nobody can see them, but the people that have the key]
# [jacek] - we can still track down when a visitor comes in [authenticates], but if the site owner doesn't remove his contacts too often, we can't track down the exact activities of the visitor
# [jacek] I was thinking:
# [jacek] - how many ppl have already thought about the above thing? does it have an article on wiki? ;]
# [jacek] - does it make sense to do it?
# [jacek] - does mastodon or some other decentralized platforms do it like that?
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# [Evan_Travers] (Just want to say… I’ve been reading from the fringes of this for a while, but I’ve really enjoyed being excited with y’all as you build all this. It’s very cool.). 👍
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[jgmac1106] my students love the member only posts in Known, I'd say they make more private than public posts be neat if they each had their own instance but everything syndicated to the member only site so public/private would be there
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Mastodon on Bridgy" https://snarfed.org/2019-10-22_mastodon-on-bridgy
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# drmd5t I am technical (software engineer). My wife is not. My friends are not. Of course, I use an RSS reader and post on my own blog. How can non-technical people read/write using open standards easily? I find I yearn for an integrated feed reading / writing experience (what Twitter is with indie web standards). Does anyone else feel the same? I've often thought about creating a nice integrated experience, but open source doesn't seem to pay the bills.
# drmd5t Thoughts?
# Loqi Micro.blog is a website and social service started by Manton Reece, which natively supports IndieWeb building-blocks like microformats2, Webmention, and Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog
# drmd5t While I love my feed reader, I haven't found a lot of motiviation to participate in the "indie web" because it feels siloed (hehe) amongst techies.
# drmd5t microblogs homepage is very sparse/confusing. I signed up in the past and it was only focused on the writing side. You need to pair it with other apps? Furthermore, if I asked my wife to visit that page she'd be like "wtf is this?"
# drmd5t I realize I can figure it out... because well I'm a software engineer and most of the micro.blog's I come across seem to be techies.
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aaronpk check again, the home page has been updated a bit https://micro.blog
# drmd5t But it's only the writing side? Correct?
# drmd5t hmm I guess I will try again, but by I'm talking about replacing feedbin or feeder or feedly with it.
# drmd5t you can subscribe to other RSS feeds or blogs and they show up in the feed?
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gRegorLove Sounds like micro.blog + Monocle
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# drmd5t Why would an indieweb replacement for an RSS reader be different than integrated read/write UX?
# drmd5t I think they are the same thing.
# drmd5t I'd love to tackle this but unfortunately I'm not sure how I would fund it. Manton raised a bunch of money on kickstarter, so I guess I could try that.
# aaronpk check out what I've done so far if you aren't familiar with it yet. it's a different model than micro.blog, but it's been working well for me https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet
# drmd5t Totally I think that's great, but again only because I'm technical. The requirement for non-technical users is: Send them to a URL and they don't need to understand any tech at all.
# drmd5t Essentially if Twitter had support for RSS/mf2 and webmention that's it.
# drmd5t But nobody should have to understand what RSS/mf2/webmention is and how it works to use it.
# drmd5t I disagree.
# drmd5t Partly because micro.blog doesn't have the same kind of simple execution as Twitter, but also because you can't subscribe to non-microblogs with it.
# drmd5t The fact that you can only subscribe to other microblogs on microblog makes the whole support for open standards kind of half-hearted IMHO
# drmd5t The whole point of exposing RSS/mf2 is so that one site could pull in from other sites.
# drmd5t But right now it seems to be viewed as just a tool for RSS readers.
# drmd5t This is why mastadon is a great experience IMO
# drmd5t Yeah, and that sucks :)
# drmd5t Sure, my point was one mastadon instance can read stuff from other instances.
# drmd5t Yeah, or even a basic featured heh.
# [snarfed] eh our indie readers are pretty good, eg https://alltogethernow.io/
# drmd5t Thanks for all the input I really appreciate all the thoughts.
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# gRegorLove The indie readers have some write UX too, so they're an improvement over classic feed readers.
# gRegorLove Good point. I can never seem to remember that name.
# Loqi A reader (AKA indie reader or social reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site, and respond (like, comment, repost, etc) inline in the reading UI itself https://indieweb.org/social_reader
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# [jgmac1106] or mblaney unicyclic it works as an integrated site and readewr
# [jgmac1106] What is unicyclic?
# Loqi unicyclic is a reader that you can log in to using IndieAuth or by creating an account https://indieweb.org/unicyclic
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[tantek] looks like an interesting way to schedule one-off events (public or private) and have people RSVP via a variety of methods (including various OAuth + email). here's a public example: https://twitter.com/AnoukRuhaak/status/1182622277864771590
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@AnoukRuhaak Woop woop! MozFest drinks @nwspk house are happening again! Oct 23, 7:30pm ahead of @mozillafestival! Let us know if you're attending: https://attending.io/events/mozfest-drinks-at-newspeak-house (twitter.com/_/status/1182622277864771590)
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jbove tantek That /exit.html page is awesome :-) I was playing around in SpiderMonkey's IRC client and typed `exit` out of some weird habit. ;-)
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# [tantek] Wow this phrase: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
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KartikPrabhu lol! I thought it had something to do with the 90s band :P
# [tantek] Architecture astronaut << They tend to also fall for the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
# Loqi ok, I added "They tend to also fall for the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy" to the "See Also" section of /architecture_astronomy https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=65830&oldid=55491
# KartikPrabhu :P