#indieweb 2019-10-29

2019-10-29 UTC
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[chrisbergr] IE--
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Loqi IE has -1 karma over the last year
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[timothy_chamber Great: just posted it on our instance….
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[jeremycherfas] Can I just leave this https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/not-enough-people-want-webmentions here, and encourage people to support https://gitlab.com/commento/commento/issues/40
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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[jeremycherfas] Goodmorning [Zegnat]
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Zegnat Anyone up to some fun IndieWeb project?
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[Rose] I am trying not to set things on fire at work, does that count?
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Zegnat [Rose]: maybe? Are you using the indieweb wiki to assist you? ;)
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[Rose] Definitely
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sebsel as expected: my week off is ended and NOW I have motivation / inspiration to do IndieWeb stuff.
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sebsel trying a "chipping away at it" approach by doing small things in the evenings.
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi good morning
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[jgmac1106] My GitHub FTP action erased my entire server....took 24 hours but finally all the parts are back
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[grantcodes] ftp--
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[jgmac1106] and my fault...when I started years a go I thought /public_html meant other people can see it...ended up putting way too much stuff in that directory
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[jgmac1106] the idea of moving stuff around and figuring out htaccess vodoo to fix everything just too daunting
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[jgmac1106] ftp++
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[jgmac1106] I like just pushing files and making stuff go live, seems logical, been doing it that way for a few decades
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[jgmac1106] though all these people using eleventy and other tools to handle plumbing has me a tiny intrigued...still may stick with nothng goes on my website until I know how it works...maybe finish in 10-15 years
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[qubyte] That’s part of why I went with a static generator, and why I made my own. I _really_ understand it.
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[qubyte] I’m a server dev too, to lend weight to that.
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[jgmac1106] yeah what I am working towards is automating a feed of my notes and articles...but currently I store nothing but files and binaries...need to learn and make decisions database vs no database
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[jgmac1106] zegnat what are you working on?
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GWG Morning
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[qubyte] I agonised over a database for years.
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[qubyte] I even built a node server framework to host my blog. Lots of effort. Then one Christmas I thought _wait, do I need all this junk_ and rolled a generator in 30 minutes. Another 30 minutes later it was hosted on a DO droplet and connected to a domain name.
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[qubyte] These days I’m on netlify, which makes it even simpler (no dodgy cron job refreshing my certificate), and it hosts branches so I can make sure I’m not introducing issues when I do something a little dangerous.
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[qubyte] The point is… It’s nice not to worry about a database. I don’t loose sleep over iptables or anything either.
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jeremycherfas Speaking of cron jobs -> #dev
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[jgmac1106] JeremyCherfas++
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[jgmac1106] Off to work. Bye all
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Zegnat [jgmac1106]: currently working on furthering some of the ideas I got in Brighton. I didn’t write a line of code last week.
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[jgmac1106] Yeah I had to get goifnetwork.org set last week
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GWG I had to do some housework.
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[jgmac1106] We are hoping for IWC Accra in February.. I did get my free hacktoberfest t-shirt for four IndieWeb PRs..
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[jgmac1106] .... Wonders if GWGs roomba has a built in micropub client publishing its location in his house
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Don't have a wifi enabled vacuum
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GWG But I have a lot of sensors tied to an API
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GWG I have not figured out what to do with them on my website.
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GWG Would GWG's bedroom is currently 71 degrees be interesting to anyone?
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GWG Didn't think so
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GWG Maybe my outdoor weather station
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Zegnat GWG, if people start pushing me to live track the height of my electric desk, surely people would want live data about your bedroom?!
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Zegnat I wonder if that data is accurate enough (if the room is small enough) to track sleeping times
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GWG Zegnat, you are the undisputed leader in h-card
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[Rose] GWG: If that's where you are maybe it should go in the little box you worked on recently?
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GWG I will see. For now I want to finish that project and push it to live
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GWG I think this is the first major version release I have done in a while
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[qubyte] [Zegnat] Does your desk include some means to measure that? It’s an interesting thing to measure.
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[qubyte] You could do it by the resistance of a length of wire…
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Zegnat No, it does not, but that doesn’t stop people in here from pointing me at sensors
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[qubyte] 😄
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[Rose] 😉
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[Rose] This is all done with love, and out of a wish to expand your h-card contents
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[timothy_chamber We have the opportunity to constructively engage here. What should we suggest is our top 3 future features we'd hope for that make bridging from Indieweb tech to Mastodon better? Re-consider webmtion integration? Other? https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/103045959595504439
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Loqi [Eugen] A while ago I asked my patrons what features they'd like to see in future Mastodon releases. Now, I'd like to ask you, my followers. I'd like to hear what people outside of GitHub think.#mastodev
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[qubyte] One came up the other day. [fluffy] opened an issue I believe.
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gellenburg[m] Interesting. I chose to go with Pleroma when standing up an instance for my family precisely because it has a lot of the features that people are begging Eugen for.
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aaronpk If you suggest webmentions for mastodon again, it will need some more thought around the UX of it.
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aaronpk The trick is they don't want to send webmentions for any arbitrary link in the content of a post, which is fair. But we normally send webmentions for the in-reply-to properties to get comments to work and such
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aaronpk the problem is normally you can only reply to things if they are already in mastodon
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aaronpk so we need some suggestion for how to reply to a post that is not already in mastodon via webmention
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aaronpk And that is primarily a UX challenge
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[KevinMarks] how about mastodon receiving webmentions/
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aaronpk Sure, that's a bit more work IMO so maybe suggest that second
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[tantek] Aaronpk didn't you want to suggest IndieAuth support to Mastodon? As in Mastodon both consuming IndieAuth for sign-in and being and IndieAuth provider?
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aaronpk yes, even for their own benefit
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[tantek] I'd suggest starting with that as the UX problems are much easier
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aaronpk agreed
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[tantek] better to get the easier building blocks implemented first, keeps momentum going
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gRegorLove Next Events: IndieWebCamp Berlin2 https://indieweb.org/next-iwc, Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/next-hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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[manton] We officially launched domain name registration today on Micro.blog! Very excited to make this easy for people. https://www.manton.org/2019/10/29/register-your-domain.html
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Loqi Register your domain name on Micro.blog
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[snarfed] manton++ huge!
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[tantek] huge! manton++
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sebsel oh wow manton++
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[manton] Thanks y'all! I see people fumble around with DNS records all the time and I think this is going to make a big difference for new folks.
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[KevinMarks] My SwiftKey keyboard has ö and ó but not that one
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[fluffy] the hungarian ő thing? yeah
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[KevinMarks] I remember finding out that my Vietnamese friend didn't know about the Vietnamese keyboard options and added the accents in pen on the printout
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[KevinMarks] Looks like that keyboard is long gone https://web.archive.org/web/20041210004432/http://www.apple.com:80/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/usacademic.html
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[fluffy] That’s a shame.
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[fluffy] macOS has changed so much of how keyboard and i18n work that it’s unsurprising that the old one stopped working though. I imagine that these days they just have appropriate input methods for the various languages it supported.
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[fluffy] yeah there’s multiple vietnamese input methods now for example
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[jgmac1106] I just keep my special character keyboard open on my mac...never figured out short keys
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[qubyte] I’m typing this on a Japanese keyboard, which is similar layout to a GB keyboard (the return key is the right shape), but special characters are all over the shop. It has a special key either side of the keyboard. The one on the left puts input into roman mode, and the one on the right phonetic => kana mode. I swear a lot because I often hit the one on the right when I’m trying to hit this tiny spacebar.
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[KevinMarks] hah https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1189309429256261634
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@Pinboard Do these people even understand what a blog is? https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1189279222977748992 (twitter.com/_/status/1189309429256261634)
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[KevinMarks] Facebook << criticism https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1189316077706240001
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@Pinboard That last bit wasn't charitable. Facebook is a highly invasive birthday reminder service that lets you keep tabs on which high school friend is going bald at the cost of representative democracy. (twitter.com/_/status/1189316077706240001)
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Loqi ok, I added "criticism https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1189316077706240001" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=65993&oldid=65922
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