#indieweb 2019-11-04
2019-11-04 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] Welcome [Inigo_Garcia]!
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jamietanna[m] On the editing aspect for a static site, you can do it all from a mobile device. Lots of static site CMSes like Netlify CMS or Contentful. I publish all my non-Article content from my phone
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[jgmac1106] i have a website I have a CMS, I don't know what is dynamic what i sstattic, so much time lost trying to name and then put things in boxes with the right names
# [jgmac1106] morning all
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[jeremycherfas] !tell [jgmac1106] Do you really not have search on your site, or am I just blind? Looking for https://jgregorymcverry.com/drafting-indieweb-principles-for-the-rest-of-us/ linked by John Johnston and coming up empty.
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# [jgmac1106] https://archive.jgregorymcverry.com/drafting-indieweb-principles-for-the-rest-of-us/ I have tried forever and a day to get the regex right for those redirects
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# [jgmac1106] sukil don't know it is an archive of all my old site (was backing up my Known site up to 9/10 but changes in core broke that plugin)
# [jgmac1106] I have tried multiple times to export all my WP and import to my new site....really hard...WP fails every time
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# jeremycherfas Thaks [jgmac1106] Can't be that hard, the regex. "Just" inserting `archive` before `jgregrorymcverry`
# jeremycherfas Let me take a look.
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sebsel Interesting note about URLs and tech vs non-tech thinking https://twitter.com/jaffathecake/status/1191112432510492672
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@jaffathecake Tech folks get furious when browsers think about simplifying the display of the URL bar. Please talk to non-tech folks. Ask them to try and explain which parts of a URL relate to domain ownership (as in, is it a URL from their bank). We have a real problem. (twitter.com/_/status/1191112432510492672)
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# [jgmac1106] regex, apache, htacess are voodoo, any more specification and I will head to dev
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[Inigo_Garcia] Thank you very much, [chrisaldrich]! I hope to learn and give back as much as I can 🙂
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[KevinMarks] site death coming: kinja https://changelog.kinja.com/notification-of-upcoming-user-blog-changes-1839605841
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# camelotbob Good morning #indieweb
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# camelotbob I'm a wee bit confused. What makes Indie Web different?
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# jeremycherfas Welcome camelotbob I think one of the main differences -- you don't say from what -- is that the priority is on owning your own content, on your own domain. You can still interact with silos such as Twitter, but things are primarily on your own site.
# jeremycherfas Do you have a site already?
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# emraeshine Hi there, happy Monday, I was hoping to get in contact with Aaron Parecki? Is this the correct place to do so?
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petermolnar emraeshine: it's one of the channels, yes, but he's not always online :)
# petermolnar you can wait for him or leave him a message by typing: !tell aaronpk [your message]
# emraeshine !tell aaronpk [Hi Aaron, My name is Emily with CrosswordSolver.com, a sponsor of IndieWeb. We were hoping to get our logo added to the footer of your homepage and possibly the events page as well. Is this possible? If so, would you need a white/gray logo from us similar to the other logos on these pages? Let me know and thank you very much for your help, Aaron! Smiles, Emily]
# petermolnar oh, no need for the []
# emraeshine whoops, okay thanks Peter!
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Loqi aaronpk: emraeshine left you a message 7 minutes ago: [Hi Aaron, My name is Emily with CrosswordSolver.com, a sponsor of IndieWeb. We were hoping to get our logo added to the footer of your homepage and possibly the events page as well. Is this possible? If so, would you need a white/gray logo from us similar to the other logos on these pages? Let me know and thank you very much for your help, Aaron! Smiles, Emily]
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# camelotbob @ jeremycherfas :: Sorry for the delay, got stuck on the phone.
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aaronpk emraeshine: do you mind if we continue this conversation in email? you can email me at the address here https://aaronparecki.com/contact/#email thanks!
# camelotbob @ jeremycherfas :: But yes, I do have a site. It's a player-finder for tabletop gamers.
# jeremycherfas No prob camelotbob What's the address? I'm not a gamer myself, but I know there are people here who are, and they may be able to offer some thoughts too.
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# kubi_ hi
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# [jgmac1106] I am so disheartened. I think I lost my son Ben's entire blog and my shared host no longer has a backup copy...could be bits and pieces on wayback machine
# [jgmac1106] figuring out a local backup solution for everything from now on....i feel so bad....
# [jgmac1106] he was the one really into it...customized his CSS theme, used all kinds of media....
# jeremycherfas That's so sad. How you can manage to reconstruct it.
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# [jgmac1106] yeah when I signed up for my GitHub action I didn't remove the "delete" and then the backup I requested backed up an empty folder.....grrrrr
# [jgmac1106] https://web.archive.org/web/20190713172845/https://dogzone.jgregorymcverry.com/ I think slowly but surely I can grab much
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KartikPrabhu what is github action?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "github action" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "github action is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu hmm
# [jgmac1106] if I go through each capture....not ideal, fingers crossed
# KartikPrabhu archive might have an API no?
# [jgmac1106] found this on YouTube: https://en.archivarix.com/
# [jgmac1106] makes no sense I can't get a backup from 10/24....grrr...all my fault..trying that service if not it will be cutting and pasting from view source...back up local as well folks...all I ca say
# [jgmac1106] side note this https://en.archivarix.com service is really handy if it works....based on the data I am seeing I might be able to get all of the content...:crossed_fingers::skin-tone-5:
# [jgmac1106] I should have local copies of all his podcast
# [jgmac1106] thx Loqi
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# camelotbob @ jeremycherfas :: So indie web is more about personal blogs or something similar? Not so much privately owned, non-business web sites?
# camelotbob That's sort of how I feel about SEO. It's seemingly always about someone trying to sell widgets.
# jeremycherfas It doesn't have to be, no. Any site that prizes interaction can make use of IndieWeb principles and building blocks. I know that [chrisaldrich] worked with a local newspaper site to help them become more IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas Most of the poeple in here, though, are here on their own account and share their personal websites.
# KartikPrabhu not sure what the diffrence is between personal websites and "privately owned, non-business web sites"
# jeremycherfas I can see that a site to help people with certain interests find one another, as a public good, might not be personal.
# KartikPrabhu sure and that can have indieweb stuff too
# KartikPrabhu any website can use indieweb principle
# jeremycherfas Exactly.
# KartikPrabhu and indieweb tools
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# camelotbob Is there a list of suggested indieweb principles? I tried looking on indieweb.org but might have missed them.
# camelotbob Or knowing me, looked right at them but didn't recognize what I was looking at.
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beko https://indieweb.org/principles this probably
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# [chrisaldrich] What are principles?
# Loqi The IndieWeb Community is largely based on principles (AKA tenets) such as own your data, scratch your own itches, build tools for yourself, selfdogfood, document your stuff, open source your stuff, UX design is more important than protocols, visible data for humans first and machines second, platform agnostic platforms, plurality over monoculture, longevity, and remember to have fun! https://indieweb.org/principles
# [chrisaldrich] What is IndieWeb for Business?
# Loqi IndieWeb for business is the use of an indieweb site or section thereof for business purposes, to post professional products or services, announcements, reminders, and generally interact with business clients, instead of social media silo posts and pages https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_for_business
# [chrisaldrich] There are some use case pages for using IndieWeb for things that aren't necessarily personal sites. The principles, tools, and technology can be applied to any web page.
# [chrisaldrich] What is Kinja?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Kinja" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Kinja is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu camelotbob: in general, it might be more useful to identify what you want to do, a use-case. And then see if Indieweb principles/tools help you do it
# KartikPrabhu "I want to Indieweb" is too vague of a goal
# KartikPrabhu <not an exact quote> ^
# [chrisaldrich] Kinja is a network of user pages maintained by G/O media primarily for commenting on sites like The A.V. Club, Deadspin, TheOnion, LifeHacker, Jezebel, Gizmodo, and Kotaku.
# Loqi ok, I added "https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a359gz/go-media-says-its-deleting-all-personal-kinja-pages-amid-deadspin-reader-revolt" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Kinja https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66130&oldid=66129
# [chrisaldrich] Note that G/O has indicated that they're reevaluating their decision to keep pages up.
# KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: do those use any Indieweb stuff?
# camelotbob @ Loqi :: jeremycherfas :: - Thanks guys!
# jeremycherfas You're always welcone.
# [chrisaldrich] KartikPrabhu, Kinja is definitively a silo (and many use it as a blog platform). I'm documenting primarily as an example for why not to silo...
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/xor/status/1101233297101934592" to the "See Also" section of /Kinja https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66131&oldid=66130
# KartikPrabhu ok
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect many Kinja users would like to have tools to move over to the IndieWeb today....
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# sukil who was asking today about dynamic vs static sites? (Disclaimer: this is the manual for something I use): https://www.getnikola.com/handbook.html#id14
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# [jgmac1106] wins the award for best trip itinerary/travel post: https://adactio.com/archive/2019/08/map
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# [chrisaldrich] Looks like it was built in part with https://leafletjs.com/
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gRegorLove Whoa, that's awesome.
# gRegorLove adactio++
# [chrisaldrich] I just ran across the idea of a blogchain. Has the feel of a topic specific webring as well as the linear feel. Interesting concept though the linearity feels forced versus the idea of replies and conversation via webmention. details: https://blog.cjeller.site/blogging-futures
# [chrisaldrich] It's also reminiscent of the idea behind indieweb.xyz or IndieWeb news
# [chrisaldrich] Also ran across the idea of a *Cribs*-like blog tour (essentially an extended version of intros we give at camps). see: https://tomcritchlow.com/2019/11/01/blog-tour/ Perhaps it would be fun to do something like this as a community similar to https://indieweb.org/2017-12-indieweb-challenge ?
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# gRegorLove Interesting, are you participating in the blogchain, [chrisaldrich]?
# [chrisaldrich] I'm haven't yet, but it seems like something interesting to attempt.
# [chrisaldrich] we're all participating in a bigger and less linear webmention chain in a similar sense...
# gRegorLove Good chance I'll do a post or two. I have a whole Novembers worth of posts I need to write, so these type of prompts can help :)
# [chrisaldrich] Tom has just added webmentions, so I suspect it will radically change how he thinks about them.
# gRegorLove Is Tom involved in the community? I saw he mentioned webmentions being too hard here: https://tomcritchlow.com/2019/10/31/new-blogging-2/
# gRegorLove Oh, coo!
# gRegorLove *l!
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# [chrisaldrich] I'm not sure if he's been here in chat before, but he's been poking around at various bits.
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[chrisbergr] [jgmac1106] Your loss of Ben's blog is so sad. I'm very sorry about that. Maybe you can make him a pleasure by spending him his own tld? Then you can still make something positive out of it.
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[tantek] This is the best thing I've seen on the internet today: https://adactio.com/archive/2019/10/map
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# [bradleyallen] adactio++
# [tantek] I feel like I've been pestering aaronpk about him building this feature for his own travel pages for years 😉. And I'd only been mentioning it to adactio for a few months (he instantly got it before I could finish explaining the idea). Now I'm just super impressed / inspired and maybe a little jealous 🙂
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[manton] He had a blog post about some of it: https://adactio.com/journal/15992
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# [jgmac1106] That's what I want for trips... Except if I published post on the way there would be a photo or a dot... Not that I can do any
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