#indieweb 2019-11-05

2019-11-05 UTC
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[tantek] I can't tell if this is real, I mean, what. But then again these days. But wow. Not sure how to validate this: https://fair.org/home/media-ignore-unmasking-of-twitter-exec-as-british-psyops-officer/
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[jgmac1106] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/twitter-executive-british-army-officer-psyops-gordon-macmillan-a9127036.html serves in the reserve...or that's the story being spun
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[jgmac1106] nothing on snopes.com
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "I Haza Website You Can Haz One Too" https://mblaney.xyz/2019-11-05-I_Haza_Website_You_Can_Haz_One_Too
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Loqi mblaney has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (9 in all channels)
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aaronpk mblaney++ excellent write up!
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mblaney thanks aaronpk! trying to work on better writing :-)
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[fluffy] So, would there be any opposition to my blog tags automatically pinging the related indieweb.xyz tags?
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[fluffy] It feels like that would at least be in the spirit of them, and with like how Technorati tags were back in the day.
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aaronpk That's a fun idea
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[fluffy] I’m just worried about it coming across as spamming or something.
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Ruxton I'd suggest trying it and if you fnid it spammy reign it in, maybe it only pings the top X tags?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.xyz/howto/en there's a section on etiquette but it doesn't mention anything about how many posts you should make
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aaronpk it does say not to post the same thing to multiple hashtags
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petermolnar adactio++ for that https://adactio.com/archive/2019/08/map
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Loqi adactio has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (19 in all channels)
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Loqi Jeremy Keith
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swentel that's very cool indeed :)
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GWG Hi, swentel
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swentel hey GWG
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GWG Haven't seen you around in a bit.
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swentel yeah, summer happened :)
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swentel also, my wife broke her foot beginning of june, so been focusing on that the last few months
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swentel but winter is coming, so will ge back to developing a bit (slowly though)
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swentel focusing on the 'Read later' part now, but waiting for feedback from people in the microsub queue
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GWG Always nice to see you
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[jgmac1106] sorry haven't been able to test been having token issues...
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swentel GWG saw your travel post coming in indigenous, need to check if I can parse it better (using xray though now)
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GWG swentel: The itinerary one?
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swentel GWG, yeah 'Traveled southwest 6437'
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swentel haven't looked at source, so not sure what microformats are used there
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GWG swentel: It uses Quill to post so the markup should match aaronpk's
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GWG Therefore xray should recognize it
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[tantek] Facebook << Criticism: amplified political information warfare and harms democracy, per insider: https://twitter.com/yaeleisenstat/status/1191351031965388800
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@YaelEisenstat Facebook hired me to help solve their political ads mess. As detailed in my OpEd, they still won’t address the core problem: a business model and targeting tools that give political operatives a new form of information warfare. Democracy is the casualty. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/04/i-worked-political-ads-facebook-they-profit-by-manipulating-us/ (twitter.com/_/status/1191351031965388800)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: amplified political information warfare and harms democracy, per insider: https://twitter.com/yaeleisenstat/status/1191351031965388800" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66158&oldid=65993
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aaronpk i'm not sure I actually made XRay parse travel posts, since there aren't many things that can actually show them yet
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GWG aaronpk: I stand corrected
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GWG I parse them in my library though, but I made sure that I can parse as many aaronpk special posts as possible
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GWG I have not worked on my IndieWeb projects in days
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GWG This saddens me
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asymptotically has anyone thought about owning their issues and pull requests? code is easy enough since git is decentralised, but issues and prs are stuck in silos like github
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asymptotically it would be really nice to have github, gitlab.com, and a self hosted bugzilla/gittea/gitlab be synced up
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asymptotically maybe it's my weak google-fu but all i could find was a rejected feature request for gitlab
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[qubyte] I wonder how close the data of things like pull requests / merge requests etc. are. One would expect them to be pretty close, but these are features of the git hosting service rather than git itself…
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[qubyte] It’s an interesting thought though. I wonder if there’s a lowest-common denominator you could make out of patch files or something…
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asymptotically there's a vcs (fossil?) that keeps issues and a wiki in the same repo as the code
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/issue
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/edit
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[snarfed] bridgy publish posses and backfeeds github issues and PRs: https://brid.gy/about#publish-types
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asymptotically hey thanks, this is what i was looking for :)
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[tantek] asymptotically, I have been owning my issues for a little over 18 months now: https://indieweb.org/issue#Tantek It's definitely doable. What's your site and do you already post articles and replies because those are good building blocks toward owning your issues
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[tantek] GWG, it's ok to take a break after WordCamp US. That was pretty intense
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Loqi selfcare has 1 karma over the last year
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[snarfed] selfcare++
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[snarfed] guilt--
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Loqi guilt has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] GWG FWIW I myself have not worked on anything IndieWeb, my site, projects etc. since WordCamp. Taking some time to take care of other things 🙂
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GWG Ditto
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[tantek] In other news, since I don't have my entire reading experience ported over to something IndieWeb (e.g. everyone I still follow on Twitter, which I occasionally dip into), I'm muting anyone who's not a good friend who posts tweetstorms. Like seriously, go post that on your blog.
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jeremycherfas You don’t feel you might be depriving yourself of interesting ideas?
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[tantek] nah, so far it's been folks who can't be bothered to actually refine their ideas into a blog post. so... tweetstorms are not very interesting in general
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jeremycherfas I have a couple of people who post really interesting, well considered and well crafted storms who are utterly resistant to putting them anywhere else.
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[tantek] are they good friends? that's a reasonable exception
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[tantek] like I'm not going to unfollow [benatwork] just because he tweetstorms instead of posting on his own site 😉
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[jgmac1106] I like threaded streams in Twitter and often use them.. They may or may not become a blog post. Either they get repurposed in long form or published as a collection
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[jgmac1106] The thinking and writing more raw from a stream of consciousness view... Helps me write...and they are on my blog too to start
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[jgmac1106] Mike Caufiled holden does awesome streams on Twitter. As does Ebony Thomas ebonyteach prolly my favs
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[tantek] I'm ok skipping the raw thoughts then and waiting for the more well thought through blog post
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[tantek] if using Twitter that way helps you write by all means feel free to do so, and don't be offended if it's muted accordingly
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[jgmac1106] I have no idea who I follow or who follows me. Never touch my home feed. Don't have app on phone.
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[jgmac1106] I did add rel and prev links in all POSSEd notes to improve nav for those who don't use twitter
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[jgmac1106] Just dont be that person who tweets, "Another tweetstorm that should be a blog post"... Usually they haven't blogged in forever
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[tantek] hah so true
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[tantek] I only have the native app for DM notifications
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[tantek] and I find the default home screen view distracting so I've been taking steps to reduce that distraction. Not as drastic as snarfed (unfollow everyone!) but I'm working my way there via mutes
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gRegorLove Using something like Thread Reader App is probably nicer than commenting that they should have blogged it, heh
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[tantek] and lots of turning off retweets from folks who seem to be thoughtlessly/reflexively retweeting.
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gRegorLove Seems like a decent middle ground.
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[snarfed] unfolloweveryone++
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Loqi unfolloweveryone has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] lololol
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[snarfed] and/or muteeveryone++
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Loqi muteeveryone has 1 karma over the last year
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[snarfed] basically twitterapp-- twitterhome--
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Loqi twitterhome has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] as a strong counter-example, I'll state once more that jacky's retweets are gold. if you're not following him on his own site already, you should, and at least follow his twitter: https://twitter.com/jackyalcine
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[tantek] (also his display name changes FTW)
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gRegorLove yess. jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (84 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] gRegorLove until recently that is how I published a stream from Twitter... I would thread a bunch of notes.. Throw it into threader app.. Read source.. Copy paste...add mf2
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[jgmac1106] Since NYC trying to do it all from my own site not even using Known CMS or threader app. So far been working
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[tantek] I feel like some of these need to be captured proactively as IndieWeb /notification /creating /audience feature requests: https://twitter.com/dantley/status/1191593335837712384
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@dantley Features that I’m looking forward to in 2020. - Remove me from this conversation - Don’t allow RT of this tweet - Don’t allow people to @mention me without my permission - Remove this @mention from this conversation - Tweet this only to: hashtag, interest, or these friends (twitter.com/_/status/1191593335837712384)
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[jgmac1106] Snarfed your no follow plan gonna make me have to rethink my "wow pretentious" bias for folks who have a low following to follower ratio... Rethinking bias always good
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[snarfed] 😂 😎
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[snarfed] i guess also worth the reminder that "followings" isn't necessarily the same as who you read
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[tantek] what is following
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Loqi follow is a common feature (and often UI button) in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/following
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jeremycherfas !tell tantek Not friends at all IRL. Just people who write stuff I find interesting. So after one attempt, I stop proselytising.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] that's fair
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Loqi [tantek]: jeremycherfas left you a message 3 minutes ago: Not friends at all IRL. Just people who write stuff I find interesting. So after one attempt, I stop proselytising.
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[chrisbergr] jeremycherfas: [tantek] promoted jacky's retweets. His most recent one is: https://twitter.com/jihyoskatara/status/1191054858054447104
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@jihyoskatara my irl “friends” ignored me, put me as a last resort, mocked me, left me out of social activities, degraded me, and disregarded me when they were being offensive. my social media friends treated me with kindness and respect and acted like actual friends. distance means nothing. https://twitter.com/hyyhaze/status/1190872283067191297 (twitter.com/_/status/1191054858054447104)
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[tantek] Interesting path to a silo-quit: https://twitter.com/monicabyrne13/status/1185322950465150980
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@monicabyrne13 So....wow. My post (below) was removed from Instagram for “hate speech.” This has happened before (I’ve been posting this sentence every day since December 1, 2016), so I appealed. But their decision stood. What the actual f*ck, @instagram? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHMczumXYAE2ojP.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1185322950465150980)
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[tantek] Instagram << Criticism: account suspension for mild criticism of US presidency https://twitter.com/monicabyrne13/status/1185322950465150980
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@monicabyrne13 So....wow. My post (below) was removed from Instagram for “hate speech.” This has happened before (I’ve been posting this sentence every day since December 1, 2016), so I appealed. But their decision stood. What the actual f*ck, @instagram? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHMczumXYAE2ojP.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1185322950465150980)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: account suspension for mild criticism of US presidency https://twitter.com/monicabyrne13/status/1185322950465150980" to the "See Also" section of /Instagram https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66195&oldid=66194
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[tantek] Instagram << ^^^ more criticism: account deletion threat for repeatedly posting mild criticism of US president https://twitter.com/monicabyrne13/status/1191404524210196480
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@monicabyrne13 @mosseri @instagram I did appeal, and it was denied. That’s the second photo in the tweet. Since then, a bunch of the same posts have been taken down with no option to appeal, and I got this warning. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIi4GOHXsAEM4J_.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1191404524210196480)
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Loqi ok, I added "^^^ more criticism: account deletion threat for repeatedly posting mild criticism of US president https://twitter.com/monicabyrne13/status/1191404524210196480" to the "See Also" section of /Instagram https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66196&oldid=66195
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mblaney jgmac1106 do you manually send webmentions from your tumblr posts?
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[jgmac1106] [chrisbergr] there is a lot of recent research that social media is a net positive for teenage women who feel "left out" or use groups for counseling
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[jgmac1106] it was the Pew report will find it after dinner and Cub Scouts
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[jgmac1106] mblaney my tumblr posts are from micro.blog
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[jgmac1106] i should log in there sometime and see if anything is happening
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Loqi it is probable
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[jgmac1106] I tried to go Known->mb->twitter, tumblr, fediverse...it works great except for polling. Manton checking in on the microsub endpoint in micro.blog
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[jgmac1106] even the GitHub action of 2-3 minutes too slow for the way I use Twitter sometime, during a Twitter chat (educators have a tone of those) I may send 50-60 tweets in an hour
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[jgmac1106] you can do an edu twitter chat almost every hour 24/7 https://sites.google.com/site/twittereducationchats/education-chat-calendar
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mblaney so micro.blog sends webmentions for your posts and sets the source to the tumblr post?
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gRegorLove probably tumblr importing from a feed?
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[jgmac1106] yes just an rss feed
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[jgmac1106] I didn't see any recent webmentions from tumblr however can you point to one