#indieweb 2019-11-15

2019-11-15 UTC
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[slater]
evenin' from SF 🙂
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[chrisaldrich]
👋 [slater]
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millionmiles
Hello, What a world a walked into.
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miso
hey all! No idea if this is the best place to ask (please feel free to redirect me to a more approriate place otherwise) -- question on webmention: when we send a webmention from an article that loads its content in JavaScript, the targeted link isn't in the initial HTML payload. It seems to rejected by most webmention implems as "no link is found". Is there any way around that?
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swentel
miso, oh, I had this too for a while on my site which was using vue.js. I also exposed the content of the page in a <noscript> tag so that this could work.
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swentel
that's how I got around it
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Ruxton
you have toe xpose the content
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Ruxton
and from a usability perspective you should do that anyway. Browser handles loading/navigation just fine, throwing another layer on top post-load just breaks my brain. The user experience becomes, page loads.. and I wait for the page to load again :(
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miso
Hey swentel! Thanks, that's very interesting! Basically, your backend added the content in the noscript tag?
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swentel
miso, yep
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KartikPrabhu
at that point why not serve the HTML anyway?
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swentel
it was an experiment with vue.js
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swentel
but it became tedious to also mimic microformat markup in my vue.js templates
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swentel
while Drupal was doint it already fine
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swentel
so I switched back to just good old plain html response
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swentel
*responses
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jacky
hasn't failed us so far :)
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sukil
morning
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Loqi
rise and shine!
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sukil
I thought it'd be wtfpl licensed
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi
guten morgen
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas, you might appreciate that ^^ post which I understand to say: The development branch of the Micropub plugin for Grav supports the Destination extension.
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jeremycherfas
Not seeing the post to which you refer here in IRC. I think there was a giant network split. Let me check on IndieWeb.org
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jeremycherfas
Ah. From Robert. Thanks.
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Loqi
metbril has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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jeremycherfas
I'd love to test it, but not in the wild. And that means either yet another subdomain or exposing it through ngrok, which is often a bit of a pain.
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[tantek]
snarfed, I figure you'd get a kick out of this and the whole why auto-updates aren't necessarily the best thing, or rather, how people underappreciate / underassess the risks of auto-update setups: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chrome-experiment-crashes-browser-tabs-impacts-companies-worldwide/
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[tantek]
or maybe it's a lesson in IT monoculture and what happens when you remove user choice (of browser etc.)
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@textfiles
Hit me up directly, people. youtube@textfiles.com, let's chat. I'll help you get gigabytes or terabytes of material into the Archive, use your needs to refine our docs and process, and we can be the place that functions both as a backup and an actual archival location.
(twitter.com/_/status/1195408247190097921)
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[snarfed]
thanks!
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[snarfed]
does the updates debate (UX vs security tradeoffs etc) belong in #indieweb-chat?
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[tantek]
feels very indie- own your choice of what software you're running
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[tantek]
and the lesson about monoculture seems on point too
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[snarfed]
indie maybe yes, web maybe less so
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[tantek]
e.g. maybe have more than one browser installed on your indie setup? maybe test your website with more than one browser so that when you get an auto-update of a browser that crashes lots you can switch?
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[tantek]
that's the direct connection
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[snarfed]
those specific topics, sure. still not sure about the broader point though
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[tantek]
since I've seen people at IndieWebCamps that literally have one browser installed, and only test with one
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[tantek]
broader point, yes you can't trust Google to not screw up your browser
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[tantek]
with an auto-update
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[tantek]
broader point is probability of impact, rando security holes that are exploited rarely and typically only for targeted attacks, or periodic screwups by software updates that disable core functionality
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[tantek]
the latter is much worse impact on the whole, and this is another point of evidence
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[snarfed]
i don't feel strongly. but i can say, as one data point, recurring broad tech politics conversations like this here make me less likely to follow this channel
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[snarfed]
as opposed to indieweb specific stuff, which i'm definitely more interested in
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[tantek]
sure, this could be arguably meta
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[snarfed]
eh meta seems like community organizing
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[snarfed]
this seems chat
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[snarfed]
but meh
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[tantek]
or perhaps dev, testing / setup
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[snarfed]
eh, no, again, i think those are for task specific stuff
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edrex
beko: what does the markup for that look like? example online?
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[tantek]
edrex, specific markup discussions are probably better for the dev channel 🙂
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edrex
there's a dev channel? :)
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[tantek]
yes, indieweb-dev on IRC (where I presume you are 🙂 )
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edrex
where is anyone really these days?
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[tantek]
that's more for indieweb-meta 😉
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