#indieweb 2019-11-17

2019-11-17 UTC
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jacky to more microsub clients in 2020!
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jacky random: does anyone use Akismet's blacklist? https://github.com/dymmer-code/blacklist
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Loqi [dymmer-code] blacklist: Blacklist using Akismet for Elixir
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jacky err
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jacky https://akismet.com/development/api/#comment-check
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jacky I _know_ spam isn't a thing people see a lot of currently in the indieweb
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jacky as far as anyone's reported, that is
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aaronpk other than adactio's infamous spam of course
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KartikPrabhu what is spam?
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Loqi spam is unsolicited content, often transmitted via email, submitted as blog comments or posted to popular wikis https://indieweb.org/spam
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KartikPrabhu just checking that it is documented and it is
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KartikPrabhu indieweb++
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Loqi indieweb has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (5 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu lol
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aaronpk heh I like how we link to the spam comment directly from the wiki :P
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KartikPrabhu rel=nofollow ?
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jacky this makes me wonder if I should add a thing to present replies from _only_ people I "know"
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jacky or who pass some sort of validation
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KartikPrabhu what is vouch?
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Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
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KartikPrabhu jacky: some thoughts there ^ ?
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jacky vouch could be part of it sure
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KartikPrabhu maybe have "blue check mark" ?
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KartikPrabhu :P
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jacky lol I think I have this thing in my site already
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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jacky oh not for blue checks lol
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KartikPrabhu oh :(
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jacky _but_ I do want to have some sort of badging / highlighting for people whose posts I've "endorsed" / like or even "pinned?"
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aaronpk I like that
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jacky eh yeah, it might just be based from my internal address book
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aaronpk I was about to say
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jacky when I get time I might make it sync from my nextcloud setup
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aaronpk I finally have a contact list on my site now so that'd be pretty easy for me to add
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jacky aaronpk: ooh!
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aaronpk would also be a good encouragement for me to add more people to my contact list
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aaronpk i'd probably want a button that appears when i'm logged in so that I can click on a comment somewhere and quickly add that person
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jacky the hope is that maybe something like vouch + internal contact list could help sort replies higher and move others into "Community"
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jacky aaronpk: that'd be _super_ handy
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KartikPrabhu so a curated "contacts" is like a "twitter verified" ?
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jacky adds to koype's to do list
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jacky KartikPrabhu: to a degree, yeah
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aaronpk yeah but like indie verified
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jacky ^
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KartikPrabhu yup
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aaronpk since everyone would have their own verified list
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aaronpk no centralized lists at all
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KartikPrabhu neat idea! could also be used as a "vouch list"
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jacky IndieWeb's Top Verified People in 2022
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KartikPrabhu 2022 is too far away
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aaronpk 😂
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jacky lol to give people enough time to build stuff
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jacky also
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jacky is Eddie's site down?
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jacky https://eddiehinkle.com/
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jacky just noticed their h-card not resolving in my list
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KartikPrabhu yup, it is down for me
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jacky :(
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KartikPrabhu I think we are just re-discovering BLOCKCHAIN!!!!!!!
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KartikPrabhu ;)
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aaronpk wat
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KartikPrabhu jk jk
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jacky lolol
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[jgmac1106] silo-quits << https://twitter.com/Ebonyteach/status/1195786961560178693
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/Ebonyteach/status/1195786961560178693" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66452&oldid=66365
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[Rose] That link isn't available because the tweets are protected.
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GWG_ Hi, [Rose]
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jbove[m] what is Keybase
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Loqi Keybase is a GPG key silo https://indieweb.org/keybase
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Jacket Hi all, I'm the developer of a popular RSS reader. I'm trying to code a better support for microblog feeds. What are the most popular namespaces to look out for? I've already handled portablecontacts and activitystreams. They seem to be the most common, but I see some different/broken implementations across the board. Are there other popular namespaces? Can you point me to a feed? Thanks!
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[jgmac1106] Jacket most people here rely mainly on microformats to parse for readers within the community and most provide in rss or atom feed for others
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[jgmac1106] But technical questions like these better directed in #indieweb-dev channel
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[jgmac1106] Introductions done in Accra, going through and now and showing off the different Known sites in the community
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[jgmac1106] Mohammad describing the opportunities to get involved in wikipedia projects, Sadik then defines OER and describes our upcoming Leadership training program and offers a free website to people even if they do not do training
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[jgmac1106] notes from Accra here: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2019-11-17minutes
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chrisaldrich Jacket. Welcome to the IndieWeb. Sorry I've been away with weekend chores since this morning. Most of us here will will likely have h-feed available as a primary source. You might take a look at some like http://tantek.com/ https://aaronparecki.com/ https://werd.io/ and https://adactio.com/ to start.
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Loqi Tantek Çelik
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chrisaldrich I believe that tantek only has an h-feed while some of the others will also have RSS, atom, or other feed options as well.
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chrisaldrich for all here, Jacket is working on improving Inoreader with some more social type feeds including those like notes which typically don't have titles.
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chrisaldrich for all here, Jacket is working on improving Inoreader with some more social type feeds including those like notes which typically don't have titles.
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chrisaldrich for all here, Jacket is working on improving Inoreader with some more social type feeds including those like notes which typically don't have titles.
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chrisaldrich What are notes?
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Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/notes
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hagna So I'm new to node. I did npm i tocca, but now what? How do I tell npm run dev to also server tocca.js so <script src=/tocca.js> will work
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Jacket Yeah hi all! I think I sent a message earlier, but I don't see it now...
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Jacket Thanks for the intro Chris
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Jacket Here's my first message again, because I think it didn't get through: Hi all, I'm the developer of a popular RSS reader. I'm trying to wrap up better support for microblog feeds. What are the most popular namespaces to look out for? I've already handled portablecontacts and activitystreams, but I see different implementations across the board. Are there other popular namespaces?
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jacky the most common one for the indieweb would be h-feed
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jacky what is h-feed
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Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 draft specification with a top level feed object to contain root class(h-*) objects, usually h-entry posts and optionally a common author, name, and representative photo https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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jacky it's a type of microformat (mf2 namely)
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jacky I keep a bunch of mine over at https://v2.jacky.wtf/stream (primary with links to other at the top)
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Jacket jacky, thanks, I'll hate to read the spec. I found this feed https://v2.jacky.wtf/feeds/json/all for now and I'm trying to make sense of it.
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Jacket I mean ideally I always expect to have at least a summary and there aren't any in most of the posts
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Jacket oops hate -> have, a typo there
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Jacket there are lots of examples on https://indieweb.org/h-feed so it'll be enough to get started, thanks again.
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GWG_ Jacket: Did you look at Jsonfeed as well?
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Jacket Yes, I can say that we were early adopters :) https://blog.inoreader.com/2017/05/announcing-json-feed-support.html
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jacky Jacket: personally, the json feed is going to be a bit clunky
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jacky there's some stuff that's difficult (for me) to represent in JSON-Feed that maps the same way that h-feed can
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jacky this is me needing a better example of how to represent social interactions in such formats
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Jacket https://v2.jacky.wtf/feeds/json/all looks like a JSON Feed to me. At least I can parse it without any modifications, but most articles are just titleless, content-less pieces :)
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Jacket This is how it looks like without any modifications to the parser https://imgur.com/a/c54NU49
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Jacket I am trying to detect items that don't have titles, but have extended author attributes - handle, avatar and link. Those items should be presented very differently from regular RSS items that have titles 99% of the time.
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Jacket but the extended author attributes are not part of the official rss/atom specs, so they are always extensions, or the whole feed is something else like JSON feed.
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jacky hmm
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Jacket What I'm trying to achieve is to hide all this complexity from the end user and just handle as much as possible transparently in the parser. Item doesn't have title - check, item has extended author attributes (doesn't matter from which extension) - check => display as microblog note.
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Jacket simple as that
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GWG_ Jacket
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GWG_ Jacket: How can we help specifically?
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GWG_ I did a lot of work trying to interpret Indieweb sites into a common format
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Jacket I just needed some diverse examples. I think https://indieweb.org/h-feed has enough, so it's all good :)
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GWG_ Jacket: I updated that a fee months ago when working on the same problem
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GWG_ few
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Jacket Thanks, it will definitely help!
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Jacket I'll go through the examples tomorrow, it's 1AM now, so gonna hit the bed, thanks again everynoe
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jacky :)
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jacky this also makes me consider disabling some feeds for certain pages
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jacky since it wouldn't be useful / semantically helpful
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jacky o/
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jacky this is a good nudge for me to rework my json-feed rendering
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chrisaldrich sidefiles--
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Loqi sidefiles has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-2 in all channels)
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[KevinMarks] Hi Jacket - my unmung.com site will turn rss/atom into h-feed if you want to compare. Also granary.io will generate atom and h-feed from various sources
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jacky what are sidefiles
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sidefiles" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "sidefiles is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu what is sidefile
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Loqi The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indieweb.org/sidefile
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KartikPrabhu sidefiles is /sidefile
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Loqi ok
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jacky nice
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