#indieweb 2019-11-19

2019-11-19 UTC
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[tantek]
Ok I have to share this explicitly, if you post photos on your site (and especially if you POSSE to IG, or PESOS from it), you must read this article. https://itp.nyu.edu/adjacent/issue-6/the-evolving-exhibition-of-us-a-decade-of-sharing-pictures-online/ Summer is spot on about so much and there's great analysis in here that gets at the heart of the why (not) post something (especially photos) thinking / discussions we've had.
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cambridgeport90[
<[tantek] "yeah"> I think I missed a huge swath of the conversation here LOL.
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[tantek]
cambridgeport90 no it's likely jacky reacting to the ITP article I linked on sharing pictures online, and my agreeing with him "yeah".
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cambridgeport90[
<[tantek] "cambridgeport90 no it's likely j"> Oh LOL. Folks have been on a roll lately, so, yeah. I haven't read the article yet. Doesn't apply to me as much, though it will for the post I will do about my server when it gets racked by my friend. Said images won't end up on IG though.
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cambridgeport90[
Yes I did, guys. I am finally getting the hell of shared hosting and actually using the U space that I pay a bit a month for to increase my IndieWeb and Fediverse presences.
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cambridgeport90[
But in light of that. I had a question for everyone in here. I have begun the process of using decentralized resources first, though how on earth do I contin ue that trend without alienating a whole bunch of people. For instance, if you look at Twitter, all you see from me nowadays are either cross posts from Mastodon, or posts either in reply to, or automation from something. How do I get those primary using
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cambridgeport90[
Twitter to use something more decentralized? Lots of my blind friends in particular complain about the lack of clients. Then there is Facebook. How likely do you think I can get a bunch of authors to move over to something they control? I remain on Facebook for friends and for one group I care about. I don't want people to think I disappeared.
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[jgmac1106]
hoping the webmention badges fixes the semantic hole, they apply for a badge (a webmention to the assignment) and then they get the badge a webmention to application
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jacky
tbh cambridgeport90[m] I don't know
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jacky
I have a few friends who've asked me about some posts that I've made that have the backfeed links in them which has become a good segway into introducing the indieweb
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cambridgeport90[
I saw that. I couldn't figure out what those were.
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jacky
what is backfeed
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Loqi
Backfeed is the process of syndicating interactions on your POSSE copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts https://indieweb.org/backfeed
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jacky
it helps with pointing back to where it was originally posted
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cambridgeport90[
No one's asked me about it. Unfortunately, I think the fact it's mostly the blind community complaining has a lot to do with it. Half of them won't switch unless everything works 100% correct. Which is never going to happen.
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jacky
100%? or enough for it to not be a burden?
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jacky
a11y is def a challenge
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cambridgeport90[
That's exactly where I'm trying to get people. The only problem? There's so many groups that I'm part of, and my friends are part of. Trying to move them to a decentralized instance of something would probably be viewed as too much work.
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jacky
it can be
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jacky
I'm definitely going to take the _long_ route
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cambridgeport90[
I think it's a little bit of both, to be honest. The majority of my group on is flexible as I am.
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jacky
moving things that are 'critical' and aiming to use that as a lever for change
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jacky
once I can comfortably do events with people _outside_ of the IndieWeb in a indieweb fashion, I think I'll be over the biggest hill for me
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cambridgeport90[
I guess I can start by hosting my own stuff, and seeing how many of my friends actually care about it. And if I can't get them to join, but it must not be worth much.
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jacky
yeah it's going to be back to a personal value prop
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jacky
like "how much do I actually gain by going indie?"
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jacky
which is going to be different from person to person
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jacky
and if it requires more effort/capital/energy than the status quo, it'll be harder
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cambridgeport90[
Some of my friends have it going a little bit, but things keep breaking on their sites, and I don't have access to them to fix it. LOL
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[KevinMarks]
Could indieweb friendly microformats markup be useful for accessibility in the same way it is for mentions etc - by giving essential structure rather than decoration?
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[KevinMarks]
[tantek] mastodon has green checkmarka for rel=me now. We could work on peer blue ones too. Come to think of it I could ass that to the verify-me plugin. Though we might need icons for the varying bilateral combinations
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jacky
if we do that, we'd have to either include legends on our site or let the wiki be a canonical definition of said badges
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[jgmac1106]
cambridgeport90 you do what you are doing, modeling and showing a better way from your domain.
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[jgmac1106]
Going for scale got us in this mess, web is thirty years old, facebook is fifteen, teenagers always jerks, and thirty year olds don't know what they are doing
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[jgmac1106]
just a blip in the 10,000 years of encoded memories as text, who knows what the future holds, but atleast you know yours is positive. I know a student who was bling in my class was inpired by people she saw in this community, helped her choose a career
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[jgmac1106]
cambrideport90 also reason I want to root this stuff in the libraries and the local news papers. i am way more hyper local than decentralized....it had worked for a good chunk of histories, libraries, schools. and press and archiving and such....
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[jgmac1106]
from what [arush] is always saying it isn;t the output that makes the accessibility its the whole ecosystem around it
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[jgmac1106]
are the clients accessible, the tutorials, the third party payment for onboarding
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Loqi
ok, I added "http://seldo.com/weblog/2019/11/19/databases_how_they_work_and_a_brief_history" to the "See Also" section of /database https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66469&oldid=61944
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[snarfed]
"just a blip in the 10,000 years of encoded memories as text, who knows what the future holds" is kind of beautiful
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[snarfed]
a perfect description of silos?
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[snarfed]
jgmac1106++
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Loqi
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bear
jgmac1106++ agree, amazing thought
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Loqi
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