#indieweb 2019-11-20

2019-11-20 UTC
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[timothy_chamber Well, someone had to create it: https://wt.social/wt/indieweb
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aaronpk not visible without a login?
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gRegorLove Weird they don't list anything about who is behind it on the site. It's Jimmy Wales https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonobacon/2019/11/18/wtsocial-is-interesting-but-can-it-work-well-maybe/amp/
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aaronpk i'm not really interested in a private pay-only network that is still just run by a single company
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aaronpk it's been done many times before and hasn't worked yet
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KartikPrabhu wikipedia?
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aaronpk hm?
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KartikPrabhu did you mean "login only editing" and owned by single company?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk wikipedia isn't a social network either
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KartikPrabhu it is a "network"
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aaronpk it's a website
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KartikPrabhu in any case, Imisunderstood :)
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aaronpk apparently content on wt.social is only visible after logging in, which you have to pay to do
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gRegorLove no, I think it's just waitlisted currently.
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gRegorLove https://www.wikitribune.com/wt/news/article/101868/
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gRegorLove Interesting they built wikitribune on WordPress, that must have been an interesting project making collab editing in WP.
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aaronpk ah it's waitlisted for a free account but you can pay to get an account right now?
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gRegorLove sounds like, yeah.
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aaronpk meh it's still a silo
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KartikPrabhu well could be a POSSE destination :P
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Thescooterking Hello. I'm new here, but as it happens I just signed up for WT. Social to see what it's like.
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jacky it's def a silo
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jacky this is kinda contrarian to Wikipedia's objective; to make the world's info accessible
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jacky but eh
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aaronpk I just wish people would put that kind of money and PR behind solutions that might actually solve the problems with social networks
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jacky ^
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Thescooterking You get wait-listed unless you pay or invite a friend.
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jacky sure but that immediately disincentives me from using it
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jacky not to rip on them but it's completely useless to me in that form
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Thescooterking I invited my back up email and got access
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aaronpk lol
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jacky wow
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jacky lol
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KartikPrabhu lol
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jacky so it's just a metrics inflation thing
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Thescooterking It looks like they're going patron/freemium
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jacky which is cool if they said that on the homepage
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jacky finding out layers in like going to a movie thinking one thing
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jacky and finding out 10 minutes in you wasted $12
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Thescooterking Don't know too much more.
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jacky halts any more commenting
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jacky key strokes best using for microsub clients lol
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aaronpk jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (88 in all channels)
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Thescooterking Seems like a lot of just started and enpty interest groups
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KartikPrabhu this is damn great homepage: https://lynnandtonic.com/ resize browser :P
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Thescooterking I'd love to discuss rhis more, but I think etiquette sez I should introduce myself
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jacky she's notorious for having an awesome website KartikPrabhu
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jacky I hope she keeps the older forms archived
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jacky this is the one I remember seeing https://lynnandtonic.com/archive/2018/
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Thescooterking Nice art on that one, KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu welcome Thescooterking what's your URL?
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Thescooterking Hello, all, I'm interested in doing the Indieweb tging, but I'm just starting out here
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Thescooterking I'm guessing that thescooterking.tk is it.
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Thescooterking Right now it points to i. Haza. Website.
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jacky lol
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jacky there's a small bit of stuff you can do to get started
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jacky what is getting started
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Loqi Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the indiewebcamp community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other indieweb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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jacky Thescooterking: ^ that can help!
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Thescooterking I tried that out several days ago, and it finally seems to have transfered
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Thescooterking Before that i was pointing to a WordPress.com site. And i think i had made an h-card
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Thescooterking Just wanted to touch base in here. I have coding experience from about 29 years ago
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Thescooterking Sorry that should read 20 years
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Thescooterking I'll probably be bugging you for pointers after i work through the first bit
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Thescooterking Now that I haza is working I'll finish setting up there and get back to you all
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KartikPrabhu :thumbsup:
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jacky nice!
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Thescooterking Thanks for the tips so far, BTW See you folks soon
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jacky o/
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gRegorLove i.haza.website already has indieweb building blocks, so that's well into getting started
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gRegorLove what is i.haza.website?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "i.haza.website" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "i.haza.website is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky lol
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gRegorLove i.haza.website is a [[hosting]] service that can run your site on [[Dobrado]], supporting several IndieWeb building blocks.
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Loqi ok
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cambridgeport90[ I was reading about that not too long ago. I actually like the idea myself, especially for those people who don’t wanna forward setting things up. It’s glorious.
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mblaney still looking for people to test i.haza.website if anyone wants to give it a go, thanks for adding the page gRegorLove
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beko[m] mblaney: I closed it after 3 clicks. Sorry to tell you but my eyes _screamed_ at me to leave.
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mblaney oh no! sorry to hear that beko I will tone it down :-(
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beko[m] I'm on 1920x1200 - get's a lot of background =) Reading to the bottom and clicking on the next page is really like a good beating 😕
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mblaney beko thanks for the feedback, I turned off the extra background colours on larger screens.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jacky still hacking away on https://fortress.black.af
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jacky by the end of the week; I'm hoping to have it rely on using a phone to handle authorization of requests
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sukil what wt thing?
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jeremycherfas The discussion that started at https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-11-20/1574212761090200
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beko[m] WT i/s still late for that party. Okuna exists already (and has decentralized at least on the roadmap).
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sukil weird, I can't see any difference between the main page of that and that link
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sukil maybe cause I'm not logged in?
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sukil also: no payment info anywhere, no t&cs, no help page
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sukil btw chatlog is inttermitently broken, first time I got a 502 bad gateway error, second time it worked
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sukil ok read the chatlog, yup it's cause i'm not logged in
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sukil huh let me test this
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aaronpk what is open source
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Loqi There are many projects you can use to get your site on the IndieWeb, improve your IndieWeb support, or browse for inspiration for your own project; please note, some development ability and familiarity with command line tools will likely be required for you to use and improve these projects https://indieweb.org/Open_source
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aaronpk no, there is nothing about indieweb that necessitates being open source
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beko[m] It's nummer 6 of the principles to be precise. It also states "You don't have to".
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beko also I'm missing half of this conversation. Is the Slack bridge broken?
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aaronpk I was answering a question from about 2 hours ago
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beko[m] 😲
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[tantek] interesting broad appeal of rejecting FB: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/dvbktl/two_surveys_of_representative_samples_of_american/
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[tantek] js;dr << Example: WT.social e.g. https://wt.social/wt/indieweb
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Loqi ok, I added "Example: WT.social e.g. https://wt.social/wt/indieweb" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66486&oldid=65528
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[tantek] Anyone want to predict a death-date for WT Social? since js;dr silos are particularly fragile
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[benatwork] I mean, it's virtually unusable
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[benatwork] So really, really, really soon
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[benatwork] I did sign up, and it did send me 14 emails so far this morning alone
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[benatwork] I want to burn it with fire
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[jgmac1106] Here here with the notifications. Its Nuzzel but crappy and noisy
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[benatwork] Nuzzel if Nuzzel was built without any understanding of its users
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[jgmac1106] even, better
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gRegorLove Was anyone using WikiTribune before this?
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Loqi Nuzzel is a discovery-based service that surfaces articles and news based upon how many of your contacts on silos like Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn link to or interact with sources on those services https://indieweb.org/Nuzzel
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