alexm1I think having a common term to refer to blogs supporting mf2 + webmention would be helpful in spreading awareness and discussion of open social blogging. Does anyone else have similar feelings? For example, "social blog", "open blog", "federated blog", etc. A term to distinguish mf2+webmention blogs from everything else. mf2+webmention seem to form the core of what the network of indieweb blogs are doing.
alexm1My preference right now is to use the term "social blog" because it seems to best describe what's going on in plain english. What I don't like about it is that it seems very generic. I've been brainstorming but can't think of anything else.
alexm1but federation is already somewhat associated with activitypub, which is unfortunate in the same way microblog is associated with tumbleblogs instead of microformats
alexm1Well, I don't want to get off track here about other stuff. Maybe just put the idea of coming up with a term for mf2+webmention in the back of your mind and hopefully someone will come up with a nice term that sticks.
aaronpkthe reason i see for something other than "indieweb" is because "indieweb" should be reserved for the much more inclusive and less specific idea of owning your online presence
aaronpk[snarfed]: ask the opposite question. there are people who consider themselves part of the indieweb even though their site may not support webmention or microformats.
[snarfed]sure. indieweb does not precisely encompass just webmention + mf2. i just don't know that we need a new term apart from just "webmention." i see a lot of harm it would do, and no clear benefit
[snarfed]heh maybe. i guess i'm saying 1) indieweb seems like a close enough term, even though it's imprecise - i don't see much harm from the lack of precision - and 2) if we really need precision, "webmention" seems fine
alexm1haha, I'm just finding that mf2+webmention is very powerful, and I think a lot of people could be turned on to it if it was seperated from the indieweb stuff in general
[manton]I'm still stuck on alexm1 suggesting Micro.blog should be "excluded" from the IndieWeb when it has arguably the best MF2 + Webmention support of any platform, out of the box. 🙂
[snarfed][manton] i think users without custom domains were the concern. which is maybe the single strongest thing we recommend to people for participating in the indieweb.
[tantek]jacky, from a user-centric perspective, surely you prefer better language for users. e.g. the whole microcopy / copywriting session that [Andi] led at IWC SF!
[snarfed](alexm1: think of micro.blog as just a host with particularly good UX and indieweb compatibility. doesn't disqualify it or make it fundamentally different)
[manton]I like "social blog", but I also like using simply "IndieWeb" everywhere. So many people still don't know about this stuff that I wonder about introducing new names for this stuff. Good discussion.
LoqiIndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating well with the indieweb by supporting open indieweb formats, protocols, as well as enabling users to transition to their own indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/friendly
alexm1I apologize for the can of worms. I was more searching for a term for mf2+webmention blogs. Most blogs on the indieweb seem to be just differentiated by their support of mf2+webmention
[snarfed]alexm1: in practice that's generally seemed to be true. cross-site and even cross-silo interactions (POSSE + backfeed) are very compelling to new people
[manton](Quick follow-up on the domain names. Thanks! Also, if I could require everyone to have their own domain name, I would. All we can do is encourage it and hope that one day there might be a free registrar.)
gRegorLoveThere's always a handful of people who aren't really interested in federated comments/likes/etc so I like how that phrasing makes it clearer it's an option
[manton]Another thought: in all the replies to Jack Dorsey's tweets yesterday, for the ones that just said "ActivityPub", what would we want that replaced with? I think "the IndieWeb" or "Webmention".
[tantek]so for all the people saying "just do ActivityPub", they're also missing the point. that "just" is insufficient to do what Twitter is asking, or what Mastodon does today, or what the IndieWeb does today.
[tantek]to be fair, we should be similarly critical of anyone who says "just do Webmention" because you'll get an ugly UX like Pingback at best, and spam at worst
[tantek]this is why you really shouldn't go down the trap of "just do x", it's rarely ever true in practice, and when a dev then implements "x" and things don't work, now you've lost their trust
[tantek]both kinda scary and maybe kinda useful (if you can somehow get an h-feed out of it, you could PESOS all kinds of things like mostly /watch posts
[tantek]hence both scary (privacy leakage), and opportunity (our own 3rd party apps may be able to PESOS the info to your own site, perhaps as private posts you can manually make public as desired)
Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club San Diego" https://gregorlove.com/2019/12/homebrew-website-club-san-diego/
alexm1 I think having a common term to refer to blogs supporting mf2 + webmention would be helpful in spreading awareness and discussion of open social blogging. Does anyone else have similar feelings? For example, "social blog", "open blog", "federated blog", etc. A term to distinguish mf2+webmention blogs from everything else. mf2+webmention seem to form the core of what the network of indieweb blogs are doing.
[KevinMarks] mentionweb
gRegorLove I like "social blog" or maybe something like "you can add social blogging features to your indieweb site."
[schmarty] the spec and other well-doc'd bits of capital-W Webmention are such a tiny part of the webmention ecosystem.
[tantek] wow not sure where to put this: https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity