#indieweb 2019-12-13

2019-12-13 UTC
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[tantek] maybe only in California? https://www.wired.com/story/law-makes-bots-identify-themselves/
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aaronpk 😂
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jacky wait [tantek] have you just seen this? tbh I'm amazing that they've showed this
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jacky I'll drop something a bit more freaky from it in #-chat
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[tantek] yeah it was something I'd only glanced at before. quite freaky
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[tantek] hence trying to document it more to surface it to more people
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Ruxton twitter/bluesky - https://xkcd.com/927/
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Loqi [XKCD] Standards https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
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gRegorLove hehe
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sl007 "Twitter wants to decentralize, but decentralized social network creators don’t trust it" https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/12/21012553/twitter-bluesky-decentralized-social-network-developers-reaction-mastodon-activitypub
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sl007 https://twitter.com/jack/status/1204952252747661312
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@jack @paintedsky_ca @johns_FSF ActivityPub is great. If the team thinks that’s the best, they will dedicate 100% to it. (twitter.com/_/status/1204952252747661312)
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jacky I'm glad that a lot of people I see in that space are in the article
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jacky I just wish more than Mastodon was mentioned
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sl007 jacky I wish so too ! https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/software
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en3r0 Greetings!
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asymptotically hello :)
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en3r0 I feel like I have heard of IndieWeb, but maybe misunderstood it a long time ago. I can't believe I have been missing out on so many like minded people. Glad to be here.
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[jgmac1106] IndieWeb to me is carving out a place online where you own the data and control the space, if that is from your own domain even better. You can even go further and build better connections by choosing tools that add more IndieWeb building blocks like webmentions
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[jgmac1106] ...but I am working with audiences who have never added an iframe to a site let a lone know the distinction between blog and social blog is microformats and webmentions
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[jgmac1106] so I am gonna stick with what I say, "Find a passion, get a blog" that's IndieWeb
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Twitter to decentralize… something" https://www.manton.org/2019/12/11/twitter-to-decentralize.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2019/12/13/12/)
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[Rose] Happy Friday IndieWeb
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GWG_ Happy Friday to you too
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[fluffy] at some point I want to write Yet Another article on the IndieWeb, with like, my thoughts about why someone would want to get into it and the first steps they should take to do so
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[fluffy] I also thought it’d be fun to do an animated primer on it
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mattgorecki I'm curious to hear the reasons why.
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mattgorecki I just came across this today, somehow.
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[snarfed] obligatory: https://indieweb.org/why , https://indieweb.org/principles
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mattgorecki Been reading through that this afternoon
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mattgorecki It's nice to see these concepts collected and still has the feelings of the 90s era web mentality.
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mattgorecki I've been running a small ISP for the past few years and I've been thinking about these same idea in the context of the physical network and internet connectivity itself.
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superkuh_ Why url encoded form posts instead of just a long normal GET?
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superkuh_ Sure would be cool for static people if it were just a long url GET.
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superkuh_ Then you could just parse the logs.
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mattgorecki I guess it depends on how much you care about HTTP semantics.
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superkuh_ Form encoded means you pretty much have to have some dynamic scripting language.
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superkuh_ Increases the complexity significantly and creates attack surfaces.
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superkuh_ I guess I should be complaining to the webmentions people and not here but I was getting all hyped after converting my site to microformat h-entry stuff.
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superkuh_ Even the 'static' examples on the wiki are using lua in nginx.
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superkuh_ Not so static.
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[snarfed] superkuh_: examples on which page?
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[snarfed] lots of people here do have full fledged indieweb sites, ie serving plain pre-built static HTML, and still support webmentions etc. there are a variety of techniques
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superkuh_ It's not a static site if some dynamic program is accepting POST.
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superkuh_ I guess I'm still new enough at this stuff I'm just ignorant.
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mattgorecki Static should be thought of as the content delivered to your browser at the time of request is complete.
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mattgorecki At least that's how I view it.
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superkuh_ Valid I suppose. I think of static as not involving dynamic scripting languages.
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gRegorLove This might be more dev chat, we have #indieweb-dev (or just #dev in Slack)
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[snarfed] agreed!
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superkuh_ Trying to find that page I mentioned but unfortunately I left on vacation today and am on my laptop and not the PC at home I had all the tabs open in.
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gRegorLove nifty contact page: https://edent.tel/
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Loqi Mr Terence Eden BSc (UEA), MBCS, MIET
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skalnik The way those icons animate makes me a bit uncomfortable, it's like they're breathing. Pretty neat though!
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gRegorLove yeah it caught me off guard at first, haha
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gRegorLove ah, looks like it's already on the wiki: https://indieweb.org/communication#Terence_Eden
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