#indieweb 2020-02-08

2020-02-08 UTC
KempfCreative, Decobus, turona_, [fluffy], KartikPrabhu, [jgmac1106], cbzen, [snarfed], petermolnar, deathrow1, joebuhlig1, mgh, joebuhlig, jacky, wolftune, Freiner, kensp, jakelazaroff, gRegorLove, vika_nezrimaya, nickodd, [jeremycherfas], chrisaldrich, [chrisaldrich], [Michael_Beckwit, seekr, skatkov, swentel, zumid and ivanf joined the channel
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vika_nezrimaya I remember [jgmac1106] inviting me for a keynote so how do I register for a keynote?
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vika_nezrimaya or is this more appropriate to #meta?
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vika_nezrimaya or is everyone asleep? :3
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swentel hmm, I guess the US is mostly still sleeping :)
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vika_nezrimaya Oh someone's here I'm not alone thank gods
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vika_nezrimaya I'm a bit nervous right now
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vika_nezrimaya 'cause my internet's laggy and I'm not sure if Zoom will install correctly on my device... well, NixOS should make sure it does
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vika_nezrimaya unless
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swentel I'm preparing a new release of indigenous
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swentel that usually doesn't make me nervous, but this one does :)
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vika_nezrimaya yay :3 Is this the new photo editor?
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Loqi woot
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vika_nezrimaya woot?
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swentel lot's of cleanups, and yes, with the photo editor :)
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vika_nezrimaya YAY
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vika_nezrimaya This is great I can't wait to download it AAAAAAAA
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vika_nezrimaya if there will be bugs I'm sure I'll stumble onto them pretty soon
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vika_nezrimaya oops did my connection just drop?!
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vika_nezrimaya can you see me?
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vika_nezrimaya aaaaaaaa
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swentel yeah, you're still here :)
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vika_nezrimaya whew
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swentel doing some last tests on my lineage os phone now
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vika_nezrimaya oh hey I'm using Lineage too! do you have P or Q? (I have P)
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vika_nezrimaya OH WELL my unit tests failed for the 16th time
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vika_nezrimaya that's a good thing actually because it catches SO MANY errors...
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vika_nezrimaya I think I should make typecheck mandatory for a release to happen because it catches lots of errors too
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swentel vika_nezrimaya, mine is still on nougat (N)
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swentel old phone, but will update on a new phone in a pfew weeks
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Zegnat Gearing up for an IWC weekend :)
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vika_nezrimaya Good morning!
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vika_nezrimaya I'm not sure how this IWC stuff works but I RSVP'd "yes" anyway since I'll try my best to be there barring some technical issues
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Zegnat How it usually works: show up, interact, leave inspired. Haha
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vika_nezrimaya yeah but I was also invited to do a keynote >.<
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vika_nezrimaya how does that work?
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vika_nezrimaya do I need to mark or announce it somewhere?
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Zegnat Not neccessarily? Though I would expect keynote speaker to be mentioned on the event. Speak with the organiser?
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vika_nezrimaya Zegnat I'm not seeing announcements for keynote speakers on events.indieweb.org nor on the wiki page
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vika_nezrimaya so I think that the list isn't finalized
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vika_nezrimaya the events page got my webmention btw
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Zegnat I am still on my first cup of tea for the day and am a little hazy on the event details, haha. Actually happy it doesn’t start in the morning local time for me
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swentel ok, new indigenous release pushed
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swentel have fun filtering :)
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beko *f5, f5, f5
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swentel beko, yeah, hope that error message is gone too
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beko :D
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swentel let me know, good or bad in that issue :)
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beko well if it goes south it'll finally motivate me to slap Lineage on it.
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swentel hehe
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beko I made sure that this works eventually when I bought it long ago
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swentel it works on all my environments, so still in the dark a bit
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swentel anyway, hopefully the editor doesn't crash to often too
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swentel and offline reading is cool as well
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beko Nothing yet. I guess it needs some time to propagate
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swentel I use it a lot on the metro now
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swentel yeah, pushed it 5 minutes ago, usually takes a half hour or so :)
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beko 👍
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swentel and everyone posting a filtered photo should send me a webmention :)
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swentel (at least in the beginning)
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[jgmac1106] I am starting a #nofilter thread on indieweb.xyz to stake claim somewhere as the first purist
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swentel haha
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jeremycherfas I've never truly understood that hashtag. My default is no filter, so why would I bother?
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[jgmac1106] It is a pretenious way to claim yourself a rue photographer or a way to say this (usually me...sometime landscape) is so pretty it needs no filter
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[jgmac1106] true*
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beko What is filter
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "filter" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "filter is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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swentel beko, no updates yet (not curious at all hehe)
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swentel ?
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chrisaldrich 🎶 Good morning IndieWebbers, good morning to ya, we woke up bright and early just to howdy-do ya. 🎶
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chrisaldrich vika_nezrimaya I think as long as @jgmac1106 knows you're participating and you're prepared, you should be able to jump into one of the keynote slots starting at 1600 UTC.
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chrisaldrich Do you have zoom set up yet?
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[jgmac1106] Vika I didn't want to speak for you but it you are keynoting will add your name to event
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[jgmac1106] Do you have a one sentence summary?
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sknebel https://twitter.com/post_hog/status/1225928543143677952
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@post_hog it’s so interesting that the first generation of kids who were used as props by their instagram influencer moms have grown up and are now asserting their own agency. and their reaction isn’t exactly a surprise. who would want their childhood to be online like this? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQNfgpwXsAEFd8T.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1225928543143677952)
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chrisaldrich GWG beginning intros for IndieWebCamp Online 2020
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chrisaldrich https://zoom.us/j/7012777223 Is the live Zoom room for video/audio
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chrisaldrich Schedule and details should be updating at https://indieweb.org/2020/Online throughout the day
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chrisaldrich GWG Keynote on "How I got here"
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chrisaldrich Hi Scott!
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[scottgruber] Hi Chris and fellow indiewebbers.
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[AlisonW] waves and apologises for still trying to work out the video/audio thing this end
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Zegnat using a non-public blog post as the first slide of his keynote with links away from there to other things to show - interesting!
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Zegnat Paraphrasing: IWC is a place where people come to talk about something they are passionate about
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[jgmac1106] Just joined great job steering ship gwg
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vika_nezrimaya [jgmac1106]: oh sorry I missed your messages... I guess I could jump in! Sadly I don't have screensharing set up (Zoom on Wayland can't record since Wayland is way too secure) but I could talk about Kittybox history if there are no objections >.<
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vika_nezrimaya a one line summary could be "History of Kittybox and my IndieWeb journey"
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[AlisonW] Thankyou for that keynote.
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chrisaldrich Who is sadik?
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[jackjamieson] GWG++ Great keynote. Nice to see your first ever IRC post
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Loqi GWG has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (142 in all channels)
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GWG I wanted to emphasize the values here without being technical
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chrisaldrich Sadik Shahadu (https://sadik.goifnetwork.org/) keynote beginning
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[Christina_Hendr Really helpful for new folks like me. Thank you!
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chrisaldrich Sadik has been a member of the /OER community for a while.
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[scottgruber] Very nice to hear Sadik. This is fantastic
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[scottgruber] Happy birthday Sadik.
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[scottgruber] Sadik, Could we do a break out session to chat about IndieWeb in Africa. I recently led a web design workshop in Yaounde and would like to share and learn from you.
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[jgmac1106] Great job [Sadik_Shahadu]
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[jgmac1106] Great jog @gwg
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[jgmac1106] I love the rooster I just heard,
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GWG Wasn't from me
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I haven't jogged in ages
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[jgmac1106] [scottgruber] The curriculum we are writing is the model, we will teach teachers across discipline to make OER in their subjects
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[jgmac1106] but really to us OER like IndieWeb begins with ethos more than stuff
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[scottgruber] what is OER?
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Loqi OER is an acronym for open educational resources which are educational resources, including courses, lessons, and other media or materials used for learning purposes https://indieweb.org/OER
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[scottgruber] Here the workshop we did https://github.com/congo-basin-institute/web-design-workshop
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Loqi [congo-basin-institute] web-design-workshop: CBI and IBAY Web Design Workshop — Nov 5-7, 2019
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[jgmac1106] OER << https://github.com/congo-basin-institute/web-design-workshop
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/congo-basin-institute/web-design-workshop" to the "See Also" section of /OER https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68215&oldid=64557
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[scottgruber] Are you using remote webinars to teach?
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chrisaldrich Sadik talking about the issues of bandwidth in his community.
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chrisaldrich What is /offline?
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Loqi offline is anytime you're not online and connected to the internet; on the IndieWeb, a personal site can have offline support by implementing an offline first approach https://indieweb.org/offline
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[scottgruber] https://opendataday.org/
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GWG fireburn.ru
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chrisaldrich Who is Vika?
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GWG Correctly overwriting it so it will be better, hand crafted site
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[scottgruber] https://carpentries.org/
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chrisaldrich I thought Loqi would pick her up: https://indieweb.org/User:Fireburn.ru
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chrisaldrich @jgmac1106, we can hear you ;)
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chrisaldrich Intro from Alison W: https://alisonw.uk/
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[jgmac1106] awesome job!
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[jgmac1106] Who wants to go next
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aaronpk there's a seting on zoom to disable automatic full screen
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[jgmac1106] thx for keeping us on track chrisaldrich, demo away
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[jgmac1106] Chris you have 434 comments in your cue
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chrisaldrich Intro by Melanie running a site on card
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Loqi Eleventy is a JavaScript based static site generator that allows the user to select their own preferred template engine and theme, which in practice can and does enable use of microformats2 https://indieweb.org/Eleventy
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chrisaldrich Bookmark all the things!
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chrisaldrich Quick intro from David Shanske.
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chrisaldrich Who is GWG?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:David.shanske.com
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chrisaldrich Demoing his checkins over the past month with linked locations and a map.
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chrisaldrich He's checked into a location in the middle of the ocean using inflight wifi while flying
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[Marlin_Forbes] doesn't sound right tbh, eleventy doesn't natively support microformats, it's a static site generator. you wanna template with mf2, sure, but I don't think anything's there by default.
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m2creates hello! me on Carrd - https://melaniemagdalena.com/ / my project - https://streamsites.xyz/ :D looking forward to making IndieWeb accessible to content creators!
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chrisaldrich Welcome m2creates!
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chrisaldrich Intro from Scott Gruber at https://scottgruber.me/
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chrisaldrich Built on /Perch CMS but doesn't have webmentions set up
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chrisaldrich He's got a /Now page and is posting experimental art projects
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chrisaldrich He's doing a print to web layout workshop for 52 weeks
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chrisaldrich He's tinkering around with playful things like gradients in CSS on top of text
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chrisaldrich "I'm an old timer playing on the web."
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chrisaldrich I wish I had done an archive [of all my stuff].
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chrisaldrich Who is jgmac1106?
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Loqi J. Gregory McVerry (Greg) is an educator trying to use the web to help engineer better teachers https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com
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chrisaldrich He sends and receives Webmentions manually.
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chrisaldrich He won't put something on his main site until he understands it and can build it himself.
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chrisaldrich He's participating in a poetry project.
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chrisaldrich Intro from Jack Jamieson https://jackjamieson.net/ uses WordPress
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Loqi PhD Candidate at the University of Toronto’s Faculty of Information. Broadly, my research is concerned with values, labour, and interoperability in communication technologies. My dissertation investigates these features in alternative web infrastru...
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chrisaldrich He's been working on building the /Yarns_Microsub_Server
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vika_nezrimaya after Jack finishes, can I show how new Kittybox looks like? :3 I've uploaded screenshots in #meta and I would be grateful if someone will open them on the screen for me
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chrisaldrich Maxwell Joselyn at https://www.maxwelljoslyn.com/
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Loqi Homepage
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chrisaldrich His poetry page is broken and he may work on it tomorrow.
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[jgmac1106] Maxwell I started a poetry stub on indieweb.xyz
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chrisaldrich Michael Beckwith from https://trexthepirate.com/me/ (one of many)
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chrisaldrich His indie site is at https://apiratelifefor.me/
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chrisaldrich He's owning his last.fm data, but not doing anything with it yet.
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maxwelljoslyn Oops, I forgot to talk about who I am in my intro. I am a word guy - linguist, translator, poet, writer. Luv computers and trying to break into software dev as a profession.
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chrisaldrich He's tracking his coffee shop visits. https://apiratelifefor.me/coffee/
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chrisaldrich What is a guestbook?
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Loqi guestbook is a way to allow visitors to your site to leave a comment about the website as a whole, instead of a comment about a specific post https://indieweb.org/guestbook
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[jgmac1106] I want a guestbook so bad...I am building my own site because I want a guestbook
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[jgmac1106] may make that my hackday goal
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chrisaldrich Michael Limiero intro of https://deltawhy.me/
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chrisaldrich Built on /Hugo, but it's been parked for a while, so there's not much there.
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[jgmac1106] thx chrisadlrich for scribing, I was trying but couldn't keep up
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chrisaldrich Christina Hendricks at http://ChristinaHendricks.ca
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chrisaldrich She's starting to figure here way through all this...
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chrisaldrich Intro from aaronpk at https://aaronparecki.com/
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[scottgruber] nice
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chrisaldrich aaronpk++ for https://events.indieweb.org/
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Loqi aaronpk has 33 karma in this channel over the last year (213 in all channels)
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[AlisonW] I'm just replacing my current main site with the one under development ...
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DeltaWhy[m] my hack day goal is to get my site set up so I can publish microblogs from my phone.
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GWG I pushed first session to :30
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cambridgeport90[ I am just listening and watching all this.f Looks like we have some newcomers. Great place to be.
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chrisaldrich If anyone is bandwidth limited or prefers not to speak, please feel free to intro yourself here in the chat at any time as well.
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aaronpk we should have done this earlier, but for everyone on Zoom, take a look at this page for some tips for changing the settings in the Zoom app to be a little nicer https://indieweb.org/Zoom
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chrisaldrich Vika is doing a quick intro of Kittybox
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Loqi +1
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[jgmac1106] Vika great job reducing jargon on your onboardin. It looks awesome!!!!
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aaronpk someone has a lot of background noise again, please mute
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aaronpk GWG: you can mute people
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GWG When I'm sharing, the buttons are hidden
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[jgmac1106] gwg after this last demo explain the sessions, show the etherpad, explain it is set up with mediawiki markup but people can ignore if they do not knw
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chrisaldrich scottgruber, you should mute...
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GWG I found the hidden mute
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maxwelljoslyn vika_nezrimaya++ for Kittybox :)
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Loqi vika_nezrimaya has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (7 in all channels)
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vika_nezrimaya thanks <3
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[Michael_Beckwit good job everyone
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vika_nezrimaya I want to have as many post types supported as possible - that's why Micropub is post type-agnostic
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vika_nezrimaya The only thing that depends on post types is the renderer which just takes properties and renders them into React widgets (server-rendered so I can avoid JS;DR)
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vika_nezrimaya [jgmac1106]: Tried to make the jargon as simple as possible to not intimidate users :3
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[Michael_Beckwit my guestbook is just a WP page with a comment 😄
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[Michael_Beckwit comment form*
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[jgmac1106] [Michael_Beckwith] I have fifteen unfinished guestbooks on Glitch...I am trying to learn how to save PHP form data into a plain text file and then display that data, I have no database
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[Michael_Beckwit ahhh
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[Michael_Beckwit important details there
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chrisaldrich Session one at camp starting at https://zoom.us/j/7012777223
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[jgmac1106] well I gotta go make my kids a quick lunch to join next session
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chrisaldrich Etherpad for session 1 is at https://etherpad.indieweb.org/session1
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aaronpk reminder to update your zoom settings: https://indieweb.org/Zoom
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[AlisonW] It was a serious issue way back when when everyone departed from LiveJournal to places new - not everyone reconnected, many social links were lost
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[Michael_Beckwit can we stay muted unless intending to speak ? mics pick up more than you realize
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aaronpk that is literally tip number 1 on https://indieweb.org/Zoom :-)
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[jgmac1106] you should mute unless speaking]
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aaronpk also reminder to organizers that you can mute people
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Loqi totally
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[Michael_Beckwit 🙂
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[jgmac1106] correct link to etherpad, gwg is fixing them on the wiki
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[jgmac1106] https://etherpad.indieweb.org/introblocks
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[scottgruber] What are the strategies to pull in a web mention to my personal site? I get confused on the basics. Is it a cron setup and use curl to webmention.io
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "strategies to pull in a web mention to my personal site" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "strategies to pull in a web mention to my personal site is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk [scottgruber]: some options for static sites here https://indieweb.org/static_site#Receiving_Webmentions
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Zegnat I have fixed the wiki schedule, GWG, [jgmac1106]
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aaronpk Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (54 in all channels)
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GWG Fixed the whole schedule on the wiki
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GWG Zegnat, I fixed it
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GWG Maybe we conflicted
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Zegnat I think we did, but page still looks good, so no matter! :D
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Zegnat GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (143 in all channels)
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[Michael_Beckwit i'm trying to make myself "the other WordPress guy"
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[jgmac1106] can't earnthat title untilt he mf2 plugin is fixed and launched
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GWG [jgmac1106]: It will never be perfect
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sknebel That almost sounds like a hazing task :P
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[Michael_Beckwit Christina, you may find value with my post here, at one of my other domains https://michaelbox.net/2020/01/indieweb-plugins-and-wordpress-101/
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vika_nezrimaya can I write in the etherpad too? it looks like wiki markup and it looks like a lot of people are writing
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GWG vika_nezrimaya: We all should
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[Michael_Beckwit yes, it's collaborative vika
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vika_nezrimaya ok
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[Christina_Hendr Thank you! I did take a look earlier and need to go back to it.
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[jgmac1106] i find the word itches "icky" I use goals instead
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Zegnat Just note whatever you want down in the etherpad :) It will be moved for permanent archiving to the wiki later. Some people try to follow wiki syntax for that reason, but it isn’t neccessary, someone will fix it
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[Michael_Beckwit 😄
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[AlisonW] ( https://alisonw.uk/ now contains my in-development version, though there's only a few dummy entries there )
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[Michael_Beckwit feel free to ask questions about it specifically, as well as always in the main rooms
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Zegnat Aah, good stuff, my microphone is still not working
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Zegnat GWG, chrisaldrich, to get back to Aaron’s question a second on how volatile personal sites may be, and not wanting to lose conversation: we have had a lot of within community discussions about just what archiving would look like, and to what extend we should uphold deletes
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[jgmac1106] [scottgruber] there is a perch webmention plugin
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GWG Don't want to interrupt, but the schedule says we're to move to Session 2
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[jgmac1106] I don't mind interrupting, but let people get last question in
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I figured I'd start in chat and then voice
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Zegnat Fixed my mic, woop!
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[jgmac1106] yipeeee!
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Zegnat [scottgruber]: hope you saw I added a link to schmarty’s Morris to the etherpad. That was made so webmention.io could be used as receiver/forwarder
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Zegnat What is Morris?
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Loqi Morris is a self-hosted PHP service for storing Webmentions from webmention.io in a JSON format that static sites can use to render them without querying webmention.io on each build https://indieweb.org/Morris
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[jgmac1106] I want to figure out how I can use Morris on my personal site...maybe...not sure I have the background knowledge yet
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GWG Zegnat: It was nice to hear you
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Zegnat It is a very specific use-case, [jgmac1106]. If you do not have the use-case, I do not think you even need to try set it up
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Zegnat GWG, always happy to oblige :) I will need to step out for dinner at some point, but aiming to definitely be at the WP session as promised ;)
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[jgmac1106] my use case is I want to display webmentions, thaty is goal by 2020 Summit
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GWG Zegnat: I ate here, it's 8:23PM
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Zegnat [jgmac1106]: that should not require forwarding everything live from microformat.io into a JSON structure, probably easier to start with just rendering from wm.io directly then :)
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jeremycherfas I'm back and forth between here and the kitchen, so will hope to watch an archive of the feeds session.
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Zegnat Dinner was requested for 8:30 here, and I am an hour behind you, GWG
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GWG https://jgregorymcverry.com/myvideos
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GWG Zegnat: That's a rarity. Being behind you
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[Michael_Beckwit so what i'm hearing is...i should follow Greg's feed(s), and if I do, I may regret the flood of content
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: I use him and aaronpk for testing
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[AlisonW] is currently nibbling cold cuts offscreen
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[jgmac1106] that is what I do chrisaldrich I add feeds from all my feeds from other websites on to my sirte
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vika_nezrimaya oh I feel like I'm gonna fall asleep since it's night time in my TZ. I won't be able to participate in later sessions so I guess I'll read the records tomorrow
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GWG vika_nezrimaya: What time is it?
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vika_nezrimaya good night IndieWeb, have fun :3
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Loqi In GWG's timezone, America/New_York, it is currently 1:37pm on February 8
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Loqi night
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vika_nezrimaya It's 21:38 in my TZ
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GWG Except I'm not home
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GWG It's 20:38 here
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vika_nezrimaya oh hey you're one hour earlier than me! we're pretty close
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vika_nezrimaya are you somewhere near Russia?
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swentel GWG, still in europe?
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GWG vika_nezrimaya: I'm in Sofia till the end of month
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GWG swentel: Stop by
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vika_nezrimaya Bulgaria I assume? I had bad grades in geography in school, dumped all my skill points in programming
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GWG vika_nezrimaya: Yes
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vika_nezrimaya my mom helped me with geography homework... >.<
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swentel GWG, haha, you're still 2000km away from me ;)
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swentel 2h30m by plane though
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chrisaldrich What is a collection?
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collection
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[Aaron_Klemm] I want to know what Loqi is exactly...a bot or a person using an app?
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[jgmac1106] What is loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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GWG Therapist?
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[jgmac1106] What is serial?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "serial" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "serial is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG Loqi: How do I feel?
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[Aaron_Klemm] Well look at that. nice
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Zegnat Loqi bot or person?
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Loqi bot
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Zegnat A ha!
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GWG Loqi: Is Zegnat a robot?
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[Christina_Hendr I think Loqi also posts tweets that have certain hashtags, just from what I'm seeing in the chats. Loqi just posted a tweet with indieweb hashtag on meta channel,.
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Zegnat Verdict is still out on that one gwg
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Zegnat [Christina_Hendr: indeed. Loqi keeps watch in a number of places and then forwards it to the IRC channels
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Zegnat It also helps us see wiki updates
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[Michael_Beckwit [chrisaldrich] GoodReads is definitely a site I want to get some solid PESOS or if possible POSSE going for it
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[jgmac1106] gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi eats the cookie
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[chrisaldrich] [Michael_Beckwith] I've recently been using https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/21/using-ifttt-to-syndicate-pesos-content-from-social-services-to-wordpress-using-micropub/ for Goodreads.
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[Michael_Beckwit pretty sure i browsed through that post, but i should probably do so again
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[Michael_Beckwit and with the micropub plugin now having filterable post types, i can push the data to my intended content areas 😄
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[Michael_Beckwit good job everyone today
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Zegnat Thanks everyone! Either for facilitating a session or participating in them!
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[chrisaldrich] As always, leaving with more itches than I arrived.
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Zegnat Do any of the public micropub clients allow editing posts yet?
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swentel indigenous supports a few properties
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swentel need to work on adding more, but it's tricky stuff
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[Aaron_Klemm] Wonderful sessions today, people! So helpful. I have a couple questions: 1) Are there decent tools for iOS available or is Android much better supported? 2) Whats the status of Facebook integrations in general? Are there tools to ease people off Facebook or have successfully beat back all integrations? Generally, how do people approach wanting to preserve contacts/features/audience from Facebook but wanting to operate in the IndieWeb?
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Zegnat swentel: I am asking because I have noticed something about myself while doing more offline notetaking, and that is that I really like to go back to older writing with updates and tweaks.
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Zegnat [Aaron_Klemm]: There are Micropub tools for both mobile platforms. iOS is interesting because I have seen work on custom Shortcuts flows as well that will let you post all manner of things.
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Zegnat I do not currently know of anyone still succesfully integrating with Facebook however :(
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swentel Zegnat, well, indigenous has drafts too, so that could help in a way .. and then maybe start caching q=source to help the editing/offline part then as well before posting an update :)
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swentel damn, too many ideas now again
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Zegnat I will not apologise for ideas!
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Zegnat Haha
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swentel well, I introduce a cache object anyway
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swentel in the last release
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swentel for the reader part, so I can reuse a lot already
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Zegnat I often feel a wiki suits me much better, but MediaWiki source scares me and few others come close to offering the side things I would want (like categorising)
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Zegnat Hoping to find the time to look into both WordPress and Drupal tomorrow, to see if either of them would work well for the writing flow I look for
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jeremycherfas Have you looked at tiddlywiki lately?
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swentel I can try and be online in case you'd have any questions about Drupal, I should be able to help there.
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[Aaron_Klemm] [Zegnat] so the Facebook API shutdown was pretty comprehensive, then? Dang. Thanks for the iOS tip
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Zegnat [Aaron_Klemm]: definitely have a look at the https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients page and do a search for iOS. I think there is some stuff there.
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Zegnat jeremycherfas: tiddlywiki confuses me as a hosted tool
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[jeremycherfas] Fair enough.
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sknebel Zegnat: curious how your dokuwiki experiment went
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[jeremycherfas] [Aaron_Klemm] And [Rose] has made some interesting Shortcuts.
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Zegnat sknebel: I found access rights were better to do with it than with MediaWiki. But found that it overall had much of the same confusing source aspects that made it hard for me to modify.
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Zegnat I think both MediaWiki and DokuWiki are great for wikis. Not if you think about using it as your main site for publishing thoughts
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sknebel yeah, I guess modifiability is always going to be tricky... unless you treat them as a backend?
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Zegnat Yes, but once you do that there are probably better alternatives.
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sknebel maybe?
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sknebel been thinking about integrating Codi-MD in some way (fancier version of etherpad)
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[Aaron_Klemm] [jeremycherfas] ok, cool, where might I find those? I'm drinking from the firehose today...
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Zegnat One reason I wanted to give Drupal a look. Not only did swentel make Micropub plugins, I know some people like charlie use it as a backend to generate the site from
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sknebel what is shortcuts?
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Loqi Shortcuts is an iOS app formerly known as Workflow used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Shortcuts
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Zegnat Same goes for WordPress: if it has an enjoyable post management flow for editing, I want to give it a try
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sknebel ^^^ has some links, wonder if we have a video recording somewhere of a session. [Rose] might know (or have more links to stuff she's written) later
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Zegnat Charlie as in https://www.sonniesedge.co.uk/ (took me a minute to find the exact link)
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Loqi I'll keep using console.log until I die
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sknebel lol
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sknebel Zegnat: heh, I wonder how well customization is going to go for you with WP :D
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Zegnat I am on the platinum tier of support, apparently, if I switch over ;)
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Zegnat End I have seen a fair share of WP plugin code
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Zegnat s/End/And/
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swentel yeah, charlie is a good tester for all the plugins, found some interesting bugs too :)
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Zegnat I just wish Drupal, like Laravel did not invent their own cli tool and stuff
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swentel well drush uses symfony console now for almost 90%
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swentel and installing/updating core/contrib is just composer, so it's fairly standardised nowadays
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "I can try and be online in case "> I have a quick question; have noticed that on your site, when going down the list of reactions, I am unable to see what each person did. I can just see the name. I wonder whether that's a screen reader issue or not. I mention it because either a subsite, or my main site, will be on dtrupal because I am too curious.
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Zegnat Who is swentel?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Realize.be
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Zegnat didn’t have domain in their head
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Zegnat Not a screen reader thing, as far as I can tell, cambridgeport90[
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cambridgeport90[ Haha.
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Zegnat Taking the latest post from his homepage, the interactions on the right column are just display photos and names
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cambridgeport90[ Happening to you, too?
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cambridgeport90[ Hmmm. I sense a fix coming on somewhere.
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cambridgeport90[ I am still excited about Indigenous for iOS coming on full tilt, though. Dang do I miss Android for that one app. Well, two apps, but the other one has nada to do with IndieWeb.
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Loqi misses Android for that one app too
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swentel cambridgeport90[, not sure if I understand the question
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swentel oh wait, screen reader, yeah, I guess my theme isn't fully optimized I guess, usually, default drupal themes are better at it
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "cambridgeport90, not sure if I u"> The one about actions? On Wordpress sites, for instance, I can see what the action was that someone took, so each has it's own pile; likes, favourites, and so on. On Drupal, just see photos and names, with nothing of what was done, whether liked favourited, and so on.
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swentel oooh right
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swentel yeah, that's totally my 'fault', I don't display what they they actually do that the moment, just that they interacted in a way
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "oooh right"> Does that module work with default themes? Or do you have to pick from a select few?
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swentel cambridgeport90[, so, the module works with any theme. The interactions on the right is something that I wrote myself custom. But the module comes with 'blocks' which will render people's names per 'action'
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swentel e.g. a block with likes, reposts etc
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "e.g. a block with likes, reposts"> I think I am going to have to try this on rebuild.
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swentel cambridgeport90[, I've quickly enable that 'block' now, see https://realize.be/notes/2013?cache=false
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Loqi [swentel] Filters are coming! Soon in Indigenous :) #indieweb #indiegram https://realize.be/sites/default/files/styles/bigger/public/2020-02/1581080927799.png?itok=ubpgOjb8
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swentel will disable in a few minutes though, it's badly themed :)
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swentel but that's the 'standard' that comes with the module, it's fully overridable with templates too
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "cambridgeport90, I've quickly en"> Like that!
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cambridgeport90[ I also like how non cluttered your site is. I'm almost embarrassed to have mine out on the web. Then again, My html is shit.
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swentel cambridgeport90[, also, in case of a reply, the module allows you to automatically create a comment (which is a core drupal module), so you can reply yourself and so on
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swentel oh, I had some help from my colleague, I'm better in backend hehe
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Zegnat It is interesting stuff.
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swentel (removed the block again now)
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Zegnat I saw a bit of the WP editor now during GWG’s session. I think I would like Gutenberg. Will have to see how Drupal holds up on that end.
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cambridgeport90[ That is awesome. That's the blog module you have in there, right? Only thing I see needing enhancement is the stuff to rival WP's simple location, and then to allow for custom cross posting to places like Micro.blog, but I would imagine that's coming in light of all the other stuff you are up to.
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cambridgeport90[ I prefer gutenberg, but accessibility sucks.
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swentel oh, I have location support in the indieweb module - e.g https://realize.be/geocaching-map shows the posts which received geocoordinates from indigenous and are stored
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swentel there's ton's of modules then to show a map or other data with that data
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swentel if micro blog allows receiving webmentions to cross post, that should work, unless it happens differently
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cambridgeport90[ Looks like I need to keep my old Android charged, then, just for indigenous. LOL
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swentel hehe
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swentel it even has a simple tracker now ;)
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Zegnat OTher clients can send location too, cambridgeport90[. Quill comes to mind
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cambridgeport90[ Crap. Forgot about that. I used to love it, until Micropub died in my current wordpress install.
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sknebel hm, after mentioning it earlier looking at CodiMD again, seems like the category/tagging support isn't quite there. guess that's something a system on top would need to do.
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cambridgeport90[ I used to use Quill for anything not long.
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swentel Zegnat, drupal has a gutenburg plugin as well, and still stores the data structured .. so quite powerful .. but yeah a11y isn't ideal
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "Zegnat, drupal has a gutenburg p"> Someone said that Drupal is preferable for custom fields, though how would they help in an Indieweb context?
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swentel well, the module allows you to map the properties from a micropub post to drupal fields. Each field has its owns storage, but also theming options which makes it very flexible.
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swentel (note, I'm of course extremly biased, used to be core maintainer)
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "well, the module allows you to m"> Sounds like I have reading to do.
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swentel one of the missing pieces to get more people to use it is an installation profile. That's something that would setup sensible defaults when installing, and especially for users who are new to IndieWeb it can be overwhelming
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swentel as there are a ton of options
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swentel but it's on my to-do list :)
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swentel feel free to ping me, I have all modules enabled and configured, so I can show screenshots, or even share configuration which you can import then
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cambridgeport90[ I have been a follower for a while now.
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cambridgeport90[ <swentel "feel free to ping me, I have all"> Thanks!
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chrisaldrich attempts to catch up on all the notes and logs from a busy morning. Beginning to think about which of several projects to work on tonight/tomorrow for hack day.
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sivy I now have 10000+ posts and tweets in my CMS
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sivy dayum
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jacky sivy: I feel you lol
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sivy hi jacky!
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sivy got my twitter linking working, http://monkinetic.blog/2020/02/07/goldfrog-updates-syndication
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sivy ("also on twitter", "also on mastodon")
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jacky I wanna make those links on my site a bit more 'hidden'
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sivy where's your site right now jacky
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sivy (ru jacky from playviscious?)
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jacky I am
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sivy w00 ^5
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jacky and it's both https://jacky.wtf and https://v2.jacky.wtf
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Loqi jackyalcine
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jacky I'm still slowly working on a patch for v2 so I can just transition everything to be at v2
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sivy sweet
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sivy one of these days I need to find someone who knows current-ish responsive design to take a whack at my site. my html is stuck in the 90s
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sivy surprised i don't have any table-based layouts
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jacky lol tables are coming back (in a way via CSS grid)
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[Michael_Beckwit Forgot to say earlier that I have no trackers on my indieweb site, not even self hosted analytics like matomo.
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sivy I think there's a place for some anonymized analytics
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sivy but nothing that would use 3PC for data collection
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sivy I actually miss the old logs/stats package you could point at your apache logs circa 2001
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sivy can't recall the name
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jacky tbh you could get away with just using access logs and UTM parameters on your own site
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jacky maybe not even UTM params b/c if you have referrer headers in your logs, you're good
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[snarfed] sivy webalizer? ah memories. https://snarfed.org/?s=webalizer
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