#indieweb 2020-02-18

2020-02-18 UTC
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vika_nezrimaya hey look at this my half-baked android app is now open source! https://fireburn.ru/posts/1582012128
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Loqi [Vika] Kittybox Companion for Android is now open-source! https://gitlab.com/vikanezrimaya/kittybox-android It’s really rough, lacks IndieAuth (for now), can’t load Microsub posts beyond first page, the pictures are small (I need to make a popup overlay...
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vika_nezrimaya and also attachments to micropub don't work but syndication does
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vika_nezrimaya I even posted a few things to my website with it
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[datashaman] whoot! twitter mentions working automatically now on posts, bridgy sends to webmention which sends a webhook to zeit to redeploy, which pulls in the latest mentions
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[datashaman] if i manually deploy it commits the latest mentions to the repo
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vika_nezrimaya yay! :3 webmentions++
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Loqi webmentions has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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Loqi 😃
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[datashaman] all using since_id - optimal
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[datashaman] next step is adapting the UI for diff types of mentions
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jamietanna[m] [datashaman] nice! I used to work that way too, but as my site started rebuilding so much that I switched to https://github.com/PlaidWeb/webmention.js by fluffy in https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/06/30/client-side-webmentions/
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Loqi [PlaidWeb] webmention.js: Client-side library for rendering webmentions from webmention.io
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[datashaman] so far my site is JS-free. if i ever get a lot of mention traffic I'll switch strategies.
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[datashaman] how do y'all deal with spam in mentions? is it safe to trust the html that comes via webmentions?
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swentel basic rule is that you shouldn't ever trust html :)
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swentel in my setup, it's sanitized (drupal uses twig which sanitizes by default)
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[datashaman] i've run the jonyives test, it seems to indicate it's protecting against malicious intent, but i dunno how or where that happens
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[datashaman] https://datashaman.com/2019/12/17/coming-soon/
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[datashaman] strategy currently is html with text fallback
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swentel hmm how do you get the mentions? via js? or do you store them?
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[datashaman] build-time generate mentions.json which is used in the document build process
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swentel ah, so the build sanitizes it somewhere I guess
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[datashaman] not mine
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[datashaman] using text with autolink is safer i reckon
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[datashaman] i used this to check the xss vulns https://checkmention.appspot.com/
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swentel cool, didn't know that existed
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[datashaman] the results seems to indicate the webmention.io is doing some filtering
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[datashaman] wondering if that's safe to lean on
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[datashaman] it's a static site so there's nothing to hack
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[datashaman] except (i suppose the user's browser)
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[jgmac1106] wow awesome!! converation sounds better for #indieweb-dev channel
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aaronpk webmention.io does some pretty heavy sanitization of HTML so you can use the HTML it gives you safely
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sivy i am loving authoring my Notes from my own site :D
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[datashaman] thanks! good to know!
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[KevinMarks] Local first thread https://twitter.com/jlongster/status/1229640564401827840?s=20
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@jlongster I wanted to take some notes on the airplane so I pulled up Notion but it wouldn’t load because of lack of internet. This stuff kills me, it’s not acceptable (twitter.com/_/status/1229640564401827840)
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aaronpk Yeaaa
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aaronpk Related: https://twitter.com/hacks4pancakes/status/1229537026065694721
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@hacks4pancakes There’s this phenomenon I like to call VPB: Valley Pattern Blindness. It’s when a tech startup forgets every QA case for their product / feature outside temperate weather in a wealthy, internet-connected urban area, and nobody in the QA / development process catches them either. https://twitter.com/that_ac/status/1229534229429702657 (twitter.com/_/status/1229537026065694721)
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[tantek] Wait who was promoting Notion here as a solution for writing many drafts of blog posts?!?
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[tantek] Notion << Criticism: fails at [[offline first]] note taking, drafting, editing use-cases: https://twitter.com/jlongster/status/1229640564401827840
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@jlongster I wanted to take some notes on the airplane so I pulled up Notion but it wouldn’t load because of lack of internet. This stuff kills me, it’s not acceptable (twitter.com/_/status/1229640564401827840)
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "Notion" or similar
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[tantek] Wat
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[tantek] What is a Notion
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Notion" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Notion is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Notion is a note-taking and multiple [[post]] drafting app that is apparently highly recommended for its clean user interface however lacks [[offline first]] support.
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] Notion << Criticism: fails at [[offline first]] note taking, drafting, editing use-cases: https://twitter.com/jlongster/status/1229640564401827840
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@jlongster I wanted to take some notes on the airplane so I pulled up Notion but it wouldn’t load because of lack of internet. This stuff kills me, it’s not acceptable (twitter.com/_/status/1229640564401827840)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: fails at [[offline first]] note taking, drafting, editing use-cases: https://twitter.com/jlongster/status/1229640564401827840" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Notion https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68471&oldid=68470
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[tantek] There was a longer name for Notion that I can’t remember right now
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sknebel is any app with bad offline support relevant enough for indieweb to be added to the wiki?
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[tantek] Nope. Just ones that a bunch of people here recommended specifically for drafting posts for your site
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[tantek] It behooves us to document warnings about things otherwise recommended in indieweb chat channels
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[tantek] Kind of like an immune response
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[grantcodes] Notion is really good bar the portable experience
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aaronpk Yeah I like it a lot, it just infuriates me when it makes me log in again randomly, sometimes even when I open it *with* an internet connection
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skalnik I like Notion as a place for dedicated note taking. I use it for my D&D campaign, work notes, recipes, and more. But for drafting blog posts I tend to use Drafts
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[tantek] Seems on topic for this crowd: https://twitter.com/edent/status/1130135156453498881
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@edent Here's a fun* exercise. Let's say you wanted to buy a domain name. No, scratch that... EVERY DOMAIN! How much would it cost to buy your domain on every TLD? LET'S GO! ⏩⏩⏩ *Level of fun may vary. No refunds available. 1/11 https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/D68JeG_XkAAcXRK.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1130135156453498881)
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