#indieweb 2020-04-06
2020-04-06 UTC
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[Jeff_Hawkins] But the plugin says... `Authorization Header Found. You should be able to use all clients.`
# [Jeff_Hawkins] Trying to get the Indieauth WordPress plugin to work on my blog... the plugin says it is working but I can't login to the Indieweb Wiki. Aperture says `*missing authorization endpoint* Could not find your authorization endpoint`
# [Jeff_Hawkins] This is a multisite multinetwork WordPress so I'm starting to wonder if that's the problem.
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petermolnar I keep wondering if this is acceptable or not. I know email won't be bothered due to the retries, but the web people are not used to sites being down regularly. I wonder what the community thinks about this.
# petermolnar A while ago I moved my self hosted services, including my email, xmpp, and web, to my home server. The server is rock solid, unlike the ISP provided router, which I need to use for the time being (it's complicated and has highly technical reasons): I regularly (max 2 times a day, more commonly once every other day) ~10 minutes downtime due to the router rebooting.
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# crab downtime? gasp!
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# Ryuno-Ki I think, for a website to be down isn't too much of a problem (depends on your traffic). I can imagine more frustration with web services. So your XMPP could trip people up.
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# [LewisCowles] can you cache the site in some form elsewhere? 10 minutes per day is up to 3660 minutes a year, which is a fair bit, but if you had a regional audience it would likely not be an issue
# [LewisCowles] It's 2.5 days per-year in a leap year
# [LewisCowles] well in any year actually
# [LewisCowles] 5 if it happens twice for 10 minutes
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# petermolnar Ryuno-Ki: it's an XMPP server for me and my wife. We're handling the lack it, especially in the lockdown :D
# petermolnar the audience is rather random, certainly not small geo restricted, mainly because of the tech tip entries that get traffic from around the world, but it's low traffic for certain.
# petermolnar I was thinking of some kind of cache, but I don't want to touch providers like cloudflare.
# petermolnar huh, this actually looks promising: http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_proxy_module.html#proxy_cache_use_stale
# petermolnar (I know, I'll move to -dev if it gets too technical)
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[jgmac1106] gentle morning nudge to dev channel for a few of these threads
# [jgmac1106] Hey everyone I am applying for the Mozilla Open Source Covid-19 rapid response challenge. Here is my application: https://jgregorymcverry.com/lofilearningmozillagrant
# [jgmac1106] please send webmentions as endorsements, it is part of the judging, I link to commentpara.de if you want to send anonymous criticism...semi private criticism welcome here as well
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# Ryuno-Ki jgmac1106_: I'm a Mozillian. Would you be fine it I pass it along to other Mozillians?
# Ryuno-Ki Also it reminds me on Open Knowledge Foundation (I had contact with a woman from … Capetown, I think, was it. Years ago).
# Ryuno-Ki Or with the folks from Wikimedia (Kiwix project comes to my mind)
# [jgmac1106] Ryuno-Ki, please. I haven't figured out the whole matrix shift yet, my doubt is on the learning...equating this to like a project to 3-d print respirators
# Ryuno-Ki Sure, let's see what happens.
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[grantcodes] [jgmac1106] there are a couple of random fullstops on that page, below the big text under the photo and above the last line. Also 6thth March
# [jgmac1106] thx Grant, O did an ehterpad export. What do you mean by full stops
# [jgmac1106] also want to bend your ear another time on typography with the tips you were sharing, all the tutotials I founs use less...not css..above me
# Ryuno-Ki Passed to Mozillians
# [jgmac1106] ohh literally a full stop.
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# [jgmac1106] I always do a proofread after publish, such a bad habit
# [jgmac1106] ryuno-ki++
# [jgmac1106] This project came out of the Mozilla Open Leaders X project, we are creating an OER network in Ghana goifnetwork.org
# crab [jgmac1106] there's one place where mozilla is spelled as moziilla
# crab (do you want me to point out other typos?)
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# [jgmac1106] please but you can post in chat so as not to flood this channel
# [jgmac1106] doing spellcheck in sublime now
# crab "[error] Sorry, private messages to users of the slack gateway are not supported."
# crab hmm. does this mean that all the people whose nicks are wrapped in [] are actually connected through slack?
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# [jgmac1106] yes
# [jgmac1106] I have irc open to you can /msg jgmac1106
# [jgmac1106] if for someone else if you do not see APP they are probably on slack and you can DM
# Ryuno-Ki jgmac1106_: I just dig up my archives. I had Megan Beckett in mind from her Siyavula project back in 2014: https://meganbeckett.wordpress.com/researching/ - sadly I couldn't find a mail address :-(
# Ryuno-Ki Now I don't know your … perceptions between South Afria and Ghana … but in case you're not considering each other „an enemy”, perhaps it is worth reaching out to her and see, whether she can help out (or refer you to others)
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# jgmac1106_ I have met Megan in my travels I believe, maybe mozfest, maybe an all-hands (I wasn’t on the ground) but thank you so much for link
# jgmac1106_ I am thinkign beyond borders. I run the same program in New Haven, Ct elmcitywebmakers.com
# jgmac1106_ crab++ for all the peer editing
# [jgmac1106] and my elmcitywebmakers.com domain expires, oops
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# petermolnar follow up on my downtime problem: [LewisCowles] mentioned the cache idea as well, but for some reason, I hadn't seen the nginx option `proxy_cache_use_stale` before. The solution is rather simple: spin up a $5 digitalocean server with nginx, configure nginx to be a caching proxy towards my backend and allow that stale option on. Preliminary tests are promising. I'm wondering though if any of the cloud providers are providing a service
# petermolnar like this for "free". The only trouble is that I need to keep the certbot certificates in sync, but that should be taken care of by a post hook of certbot.
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# [jgmac1106] morning jacky, you will have Jetson house by the time the all clear given and won't need to leave your house
# [jgmac1106] looking for design and color advice in dev if anyone has a momen
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# [snarfed] bonkerfield++ for starting to add reddit to bridgy! first PR: https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/pull/30
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Zegnat This monologue feels somewhat IndieWeb related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0
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# [Aaron_Klemm] Looking at IndieAuth and wanting deploy my own authorization endpoint, can anyone catch me up A) the state of IndieAuth...all good and healthy and recommended? B) Which software should I use. self-auth, acquiescence, and cellar door look like the candidates. Which is considered ready to use and remains maintained?
# [Aaron_Klemm] I've read the excellent IndieAuth page on the wiki and looked through the activity on each project, but still am a little fuzzy how to proceed. I don't understand the flow as clearly as I did OpenID way back in the day when I last implemented such a thing.
# [Aaron_Klemm] whoa, that video is intriguing...
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gRegorLove Hi [Aaron_Klemm], that's a good topic for the #indieweb-dev channel (#dev on Slack)
# [Aaron_Klemm] Ok, thanks. i was on the fence about that...
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# [LewisCowles] How are others getting feedback about HWC / IndieWeb meets & events? I just setup a Google Form for another local group I'm in 5 questions.
# [LewisCowles] it may be it works so well without it
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# [jgmac1106] okay a little bit excited I was able to take some wiki software, poke around and get webmentions and half way decent markup done this weekend...thx to everyone who helped
# [jgmac1106] [LewisCowles] if anything I would prefer a plus delta page, allow people to send in notes of what they want or what they would change, that might be neat
# [jgmac1106] what they liked for the plus webmention endpoint
# [jgmac1106] or just keep it simple and write a plud/delta response for people to reply to
# [LewisCowles] I should learn private webmentions
# [LewisCowles] I think for me at least I'd not want it public as the group has struggled in the past
# [jgmac1106] <<welcome to a rabbit hole, can't wit for it to be solved, Known actually does this well
# [jgmac1106] but everyone needs to be memeber of site, no syndication
# [LewisCowles] I meant to do some known stuff today, but transferring gigabytes of data got in the way
# [LewisCowles] Also some of the group prefer hardware to software
# [LewisCowles] I have decided to sink my efforts into WebRTC. Why bother when I can rent it from zoom at a fraction of my costs
# [LewisCowles] I might make a video door-bell for my block of flats though
# [jgmac1106] my son just said he wants a build a bot kit for his borthday, I need to decide, Cesar who sometimes meets with grantcodes in Madrid does a lot of stuff here
# [jgmac1106] but that is more chat, gonna ask for recommendations later.
# [LewisCowles] Do it. Better to be the bot maker / maintainer / designer than the person displaced by the automation revolution
# [LewisCowles] Even better to be their boss maybe 😛
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