#indieweb 2020-04-10

2020-04-10 UTC
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dckc I'm trying out a stand-up desk. hm.
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[tantek] legacy contact << https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-03/this-is-what-happens-to-your-emails-after-you-die
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-03/this-is-what-happens-to-your-emails-after-you-die" to the "See Also" section of /legacy_contact https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69442&oldid=17582
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[LewisCowles] ↩️ do you care what happens to them?
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[LewisCowles] apologies for replying in thread.
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[LewisCowles] Why do we care what happens to old emails after we die? That's more the question.
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KartikPrabhu same reason people care about other things like property, old letters, etc...
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[bonkerfield] aaronpk++ snarfed++ fluffy++ bear++ thank you for all the webmention tools.
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Loqi aaronpk has 31 karma in this channel over the last year (213 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu the same thing can be asked about anyting "why do we care what happens to ______ after we die?"
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[bonkerfield] oops looks like only the first word gets the karma.
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[bonkerfield] snarfed++ for bridgy
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Loqi snarfed has 32 karma in this channel over the last year (87 in all channels)
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[bonkerfield] fluffy++ for webmention.js
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Loqi fluffy has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (66 in all channels)
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[bonkerfield] bear++ for ronkyuu
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Loqi bear has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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[bonkerfield] it would have taken me months without those tools, thanks all.
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[snarfed] bonkerfield++ welcome!
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Loqi bonkerfield has 2 karma over the last year
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[LewisCowles] ❤
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[tantek] This feels like a call for IndieWeb solutions: https://itsgoingdown.org/our-mutual-aid-efforts-need-a-stronger-tech-immune-system/
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[LewisCowles] good morning jeremycherfas
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[LewisCowles] hello everyone 👋
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[Suw] Surely we care about our emails after our death because it’s not just our privacy, it’s the privacy of the people we emailed as well.
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jeremycherfas Srsly? I assume all emails are no more private than an old-fashioned postcard.
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aaronpk hmm, scammers are trying out stolen credit cards on my tip jar web page
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aaronpk i might have to turn it off
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[schmarty] aaronpk: if there are any successes it is worth turning off
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[schmarty] stripe no longer refunds their fees when you cancel a transaction, fraud or otherwise.
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[schmarty] so if there are automated tip tests going through you'll not only have to cancel those charges but will still pay the stripe fees 😐
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aaronpk oof
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aaronpk thankfully they are doing only $1 charges so I'm out about $2 in fees so far them
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aaronpk Oh whoa, I thought it was only a couple
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aaronpk stripe flagged a couple successful ones as potentially fraud
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aaronpk turns out there are hundreds that have been blocked automatically
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jeremycherfas Ooof.
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sknebel candy japan wrote a bunch about their experience with that: https://www.candyjapan.com/behind-the-scenes/how-i-got-credit-card-fraud-somewhat-under-control
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Zegnat Hmm. I wonder how many news paper websites could be used for something like that. Thinking of the way some put the cc pay box right on their paywall.
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aaronpk one of the reasons my tip jar is a particular problem is because there's no checkout flow, and no required email or other verification
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Zegnat Same for certain paywalls. You pay the 1 USD – or whatever – to gain access to the article. Some papers will give you a sign-up flow afterwards to keep you around, but many are interested in just getting the transaction done as quick and simple as possible
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Zegnat makes a note to ask at work
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aaronpk interesting, this is coming from my payment page, not my tip jar
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aaronpk which is interesting because it has no credit card field by default until you add a dollar amount in the query strin https://aaronparecki.com/pay/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Pay aaronpk
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sknebel did you post about that? I could imagine people manually searching for articles talking about using some payment thing and collecting URLs
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aaronpk this seems to have all started on april 2nd
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aaronpk i wonder...
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aaronpk hm nope
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aaronpk i included a link to my tip jar in a youtube comment, but that was 3 days ago
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aaronpk i blogged about the pay page in 2017 when i launched it
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aaronpk can't tihnk of anything that i did in the past week that would have triggered this
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aaronpk ouch, this is getting expensive
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aaronpk gonna switch this to authorize the transaction but not capture it until i review it
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aaronpk just paid $37 in fees for all that :(
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] aaronpk, worth writing that up as a warning on /pay
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[fluffy] Might be worth contacting stripe support about it
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aaronpk i'm sure it happens all the time and that they're just gonna say it's my fault
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aaronpk but i could try asking them for an exception and explain that i'm switching it up to first authorize the charge and capture it after manual review and maybe they'll sympathize
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[schmarty] aaronpk: finally found the blog post i was looking for about this https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/stopping-credit-card-fraud-and-saving-our-nonprofit/
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[LewisCowles] wow, people are awful
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[LewisCowles] !tell suw while I understand that, a policy to protect those you love might be to delete those emails as they are hacker fodder anyway. You can always use scripts to download emails to an .mbox archive or similar and encrypt that if you want to keep them, but IMAP and POP servers are not a secure place to put your secrets
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[LewisCowles] people are awful comment was RE: tip jar fraud. or Fraud in general, but definitely the kind that leaves creators in a hole
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[LewisCowles] aaronpk: do you have monitoring on your endpoints so you can block IP's, check user-agents and other log data to pass that data to stripe for the transactions?
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aaronpk stripe alreayd collects all that
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aaronpk they blocked 95% of the transaction attempts for various reasons
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aaronpk e.g. "Recent payments on this card have been made from locations far from the location of the current payment"
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[LewisCowles] I'm not suggesting you compete with their anti-fraud experts to be the only-one blocking, they should be the only ones with some of the information.
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[LewisCowles] But who is the ultimate liable party?
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aaronpk me trying to do anything like stripe's fraud detection is a losing battle. the fix is to use the manual capture so i can review the charges before i pay the fee
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jacky ^
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[chrisaldrich] wonders if jacky's ^ was a /bookmark or a /this post.... I'm using mine as a /reply.
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[chrisaldrich] (I'm apparently over-indiewebbed this morning thinking about UI for posts...)
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jacky lol
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jacky it's more of a /this but in this case, could be a /favorite
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[chrisaldrich] amazing how much meaning we can put into a simple ^
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sknebel ^
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KartikPrabhu ^^
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[fluffy] ^_^
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Zegnat ^_^
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jacky lol
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Zegnat Darn, sniped by [fluffy]
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[tantek] \o/
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gRegorLove carrot posts
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[tantek] Now that it's the 101st day of the year, I should say I'm so far behind in my 100 Day challenge but I am able to report that I *do* have positive photos to post for each day (taken each day), and that I finally posted my photo(s) from the last day of March. Lots of (likely out of order) backfill coming up when I can. Since it's been a while and I was quite happy with these photos (especially the first one), sharing here:
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[tantek] https://tantek.com/2020/100/t1/march-spring-flowers-bee
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] 🐝🌳🏙⛰ Last day of March: spring flowers blooming at Buena Vista Park(1). Find the bee? Ran to Corona Heights afterwards, nearly empty except for the 6 feet apart warning signs(2). Clear & crisp view of downtown, despite thick clouds overhe... https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/width960/476_ZXZNsxc2Rl4phjyfxPOB6LzOpq0sBazmFQaJc_G1MFo.jpg
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[tantek] Wow thank you Loqi for showing the URL of the first photo! And Slack for previewing it! Who needs meta OG/Twitter tags. 😛
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gRegorLove Ooh, those flowers 😻
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