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#[scottgruber]Would anyone be interested to give a talk for junior developers on the mechanics of webmentions and micropub at the upcoming IndieWebCampWest?
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#[scottgruber]Would it be cool for me to facilitate a hands-on workshop or demo for beginners to feel HTML Energy. I could introduce HTML5 header, nav, main, aside and footer elements to build and style a page with CSS Grid, Flexbox and maybe multicolumn layout. Thoughts?
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#[jjdelc]I would make sure to find strong examples on why they are superior than just using divs and spans other than accessibility for people with disabilities, as altruist as that goal is, I find that too many don't empathize.
#[jjdelc]I started using grid recently and I'm totally sold, just with the very basics things just work, unlike flexbox that required a bit more understanding to tune things
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#KartikPrabhudiv and span have nothing to do with grid or flexbox. You can use grid and flexbox with any HTML markup
#KartikPrabhuand if you want to ignore HTML semantics and accesibility then everything can be a span
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#[LewisCowles]you can use float-based layout on any HTML tag too...
#[LewisCowles]I think what was meant was to communicate to people, not just what you are doing but why, which is fantastic if you can get it out in digestible format
#petermolnarre KartikPrabhu > HTML semantics and accesibility - I'm not convinced they actually matter, but I'd prefer to be wrong. If there are any documentations that have one and only one way of doing "proper" HTML5 semantics for accessibility, please share it.
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#[jjdelc]yes, I am re-reading and I can see how I was confusing, my first sentence was about the html elements, the value of using nav, aside, header, footer vs just using divs for all. My second comment was about my recent usage of CSS grid and how I found it surprisingly quick to get going.
#[jjdelc]My suggestion was to find strong examples where using semantic elements is better than achieving the same looks with just div/span. And to find others than just assistive technologies. Something that most people can relate to and find immediate benefit.
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#eshnilHi all, I've been building LearnAwesome.org as an open-source, ActivityPub-compliant learning map. You can think of it as GoodReads where the reviews can be consumed in any Mastodon instance without signing up. Does this qualify to be listed at IndieWeb site? I am giving a talk about this project at GitCommitShow and have also submitted a proposal at ActivityPub conference. Hoping to get a few more developers to start contributing.
#Loqi[eshnil] #121 Implement ActivityPub broadcast of reviews
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#ZegnatAs far as being listed, anyone could create a page on the wiki, but it may be interesting to look at https://indieweb.org/principles and see if Learn Awesome helps people to accomplish any of those ideals.
#Zegnateshnil: ooh, that looks really interesting. There is quite some overlap from the indieweb community and education and reading, I think, so there may very well be some interest there.
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#aaronpki'm thinking about also reducing the number of avatars and comments I show by default, both to keep the page size down and also to reduce visual noise
#aaronpkand if I do that, I have to decide which avatars/comments to show, and I'm thinking about some sort of sorting based on how often I've interacted with each person
#petermolnaraaronpk: the old one has a lot more character; it'd be nice if you kept something from it :)
#aaronpkyeah i think i took a shortcut on the current design of my site by using that background map and the borders around posts, I could improve the typography of my site which might make it look a little better once I remove the map/borders
#petermolnarimo typography is not everything - it's just one part of a site. homepages need character, they should reflect their maker
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#[tantek]Welcome eshnil! How did you find the IndieWeb community and chat?
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#jackyI made it myself! I am working on making it something others can use (have been focusing on other projects though)
#jackyI'm not the sharpest on things IndieWeb+Wordpress but it does seem like it'd require a level of comfort of working with theming if you want to edit the looks while getting the semantics down
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#[LewisCowles]Checkin on #indieweb-wordpress. I was surprised at how nice @GWG made WordPress within 30 minutes using off the shelf plugins.
#dounoThe indieweb-wordpress plugins are pretty awesome to get you started
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#dounoJacky, are you able to post on social networks and then get it post to your site too
#jackyI syndicate my sites in a POSSE fashion (most of the times)
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#GWG[LewisCowles]: It took me 5 years to get it to off the shelf...Shelf is still too high
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#[chrisaldrich]douno, while there are a handful of pre-built Known theme options, they all have a very similar flavor with a small handful of color and textual differences. Naturally, because it's opensource, you'll need some development skills to more highly customize a Known site, so the sky is the limit.
#[chrisaldrich]However, I'll also say that you won't find the breadth of theme options you might in the WordPress space, but then most CMSes fall into that territory too...