#indieweb 2020-06-21

2020-06-21 UTC
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] ouch. just saw https://indieweb.org/site-deaths#Wikispaces - did nothing make it to Internet Archive?
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[tantek] jacky which page has the ToC so far down?
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jacky [tantek]: Twitter
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[tantek] Thanks will take a look
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[scottgruber] Would anyone be interested to give a talk for junior developers on the mechanics of webmentions and micropub at the upcoming IndieWebCampWest?
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[scottgruber] Would it be cool for me to facilitate a hands-on workshop or demo for beginners to feel HTML Energy. I could introduce HTML5 header, nav, main, aside and footer elements to build and style a page with CSS Grid, Flexbox and maybe multicolumn layout. Thoughts?
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[jjdelc] I would make sure to find strong examples on why they are superior than just using divs and spans other than accessibility for people with disabilities, as altruist as that goal is, I find that too many don't empathize.
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[jjdelc] I started using grid recently and I'm totally sold, just with the very basics things just work, unlike flexbox that required a bit more understanding to tune things
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KartikPrabhu div and span have nothing to do with grid or flexbox. You can use grid and flexbox with any HTML markup
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KartikPrabhu maybe you mean float-based layout
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KartikPrabhu and if you want to ignore HTML semantics and accesibility then everything can be a span
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[LewisCowles] you can use float-based layout on any HTML tag too...
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[LewisCowles] I think what was meant was to communicate to people, not just what you are doing but why, which is fantastic if you can get it out in digestible format
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petermolnar re KartikPrabhu > HTML semantics and accesibility - I'm not convinced they actually matter, but I'd prefer to be wrong. If there are any documentations that have one and only one way of doing "proper" HTML5 semantics for accessibility, please share it.
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[jjdelc] yes, I am re-reading and I can see how I was confusing, my first sentence was about the html elements, the value of using nav, aside, header, footer vs just using divs for all. My second comment was about my recent usage of CSS grid and how I found it surprisingly quick to get going.
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[jjdelc] My suggestion was to find strong examples where using semantic elements is better than achieving the same looks with just div/span. And to find others than just assistive technologies. Something that most people can relate to and find immediate benefit.
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[LewisCowles] petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (23 in all channels)
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Zegnat This feel very #indieweb-dev like
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Zegnat Aaaannnd, I have commented on the special HTML elements for things in #indieweb-dev :)
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jacky I'm like oddly inspired but it's also 3 AM and I should at least _nap_ lol
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[tantek] Zegnat++ thanks. Yes HTML elements discussions should go in #indieweb-dev 🙂
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Loqi Zegnat has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (59 in all channels)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas !tell jjdelc I'd be up for that, except that I'm unlikely to be up for much of IWC. I'd watch the recording, for sure.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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eshnil Hi all, I've been building LearnAwesome.org as an open-source, ActivityPub-compliant learning map. You can think of it as GoodReads where the reviews can be consumed in any Mastodon instance without signing up. Does this qualify to be listed at IndieWeb site? I am giving a talk about this project at GitCommitShow and have also submitted a proposal at ActivityPub conference. Hoping to get a few more developers to start contributing.
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eshnil Here is the issue where ActivityPub support was added: https://github.com/learn-awesome/learn/issues/121
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Loqi [eshnil] #121 Implement ActivityPub broadcast of reviews
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Zegnat As far as being listed, anyone could create a page on the wiki, but it may be interesting to look at https://indieweb.org/principles and see if Learn Awesome helps people to accomplish any of those ideals.
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Zegnat eshnil: ooh, that looks really interesting. There is quite some overlap from the indieweb community and education and reading, I think, so there may very well be some interest there.
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[jgmac1106] I had, and folks in the channel helped me put some wikispaces links on archive.org but everything redirects to https://www.wikispaces.com/?responseToken=ff295d63a4c014477d769efcd48820ee now...Even if I did archive content losing the community infrastructure of hundreds of users...that is impossible to rebuild
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[jgmac1106] esnhil looks very cool...very interested in learning maps and replies as record of completion
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[jgmac1106] Have been working on this course builder plugin for Known: https://blog.reviewtalentfeedback.com/2020/working-on-our-course-builder-plug-i-in-in-partnership-with and just started the process of moving my courses to wikiversity as well....many on GitHub
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Loqi [The ReVIEW Team] Working on our Course Builder Plug-in In Partnership with the Known Open Collective
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aaronpk I'm tempted to redesign my blog post permalinks today
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aaronpk or maybe I should save that for my IWC project next weekend :-)
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petermolnar oh dear, careful wih permalink redesigns, not to end up with something like this: https://gist.github.com/petermolnar/6da68848d0633e9ddd675c422d546c6e
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aaronpk oh i didn't mean the permalinks themselves, i mean the design of the pages of my individual articles
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aaronpk i want less visual clutter on the page cause i keep getting inspired by people's really simple layouts
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[tantek] simplicity++ in design
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Loqi simplicity has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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aaronpk i'm thinking about also reducing the number of avatars and comments I show by default, both to keep the page size down and also to reduce visual noise
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aaronpk and if I do that, I have to decide which avatars/comments to show, and I'm thinking about some sort of sorting based on how often I've interacted with each person
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aaronpk my 5-minute hack: turning off a bunch of my CSS in the browser dev tools https://media.aaronpk.com/Screenshot-2020-06-21-09.13.30-lPWw4hwc88.png
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petermolnar aaronpk: the old one has a lot more character; it'd be nice if you kept something from it :)
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aaronpk yeah i think i took a shortcut on the current design of my site by using that background map and the borders around posts, I could improve the typography of my site which might make it look a little better once I remove the map/borders
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petermolnar imo typography is not everything - it's just one part of a site. homepages need character, they should reflect their maker
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[tantek] Welcome eshnil! How did you find the IndieWeb community and chat?
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douno Hi everyone
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douno Anyone using Known here for their personal site?
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jacky what is Known
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Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/Known
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douno I am currently using wordpress (with the SemPress theme), however I like how minimal Known looks out of the box
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douno I want to see see some sample sites designed with Known to see what's possible without having to set it up
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douno Jacky, I like your site. Using any CMS?
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jacky I made it myself! I am working on making it something others can use (have been focusing on other projects though)
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jacky I'm not the sharpest on things IndieWeb+Wordpress but it does seem like it'd require a level of comfort of working with theming if you want to edit the looks while getting the semantics down
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[LewisCowles] Checkin on #indieweb-wordpress. I was surprised at how nice @GWG made WordPress within 30 minutes using off the shelf plugins.
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douno The indieweb-wordpress plugins are pretty awesome to get you started
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douno Jacky, are you able to post on social networks and then get it post to your site too
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[LewisCowles] there are indieweb themes as well. See the wiki https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes
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jacky douno: yeah thanks to bridgy
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jacky what is bridgy
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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jacky I syndicate my sites in a POSSE fashion (most of the times)
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GWG [LewisCowles]: It took me 5 years to get it to off the shelf...Shelf is still too high
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[chrisaldrich] douno, while there are a handful of pre-built Known theme options, they all have a very similar flavor with a small handful of color and textual differences. Naturally, because it's opensource, you'll need some development skills to more highly customize a Known site, so the sky is the limit.
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[chrisaldrich] However, I'll also say that you won't find the breadth of theme options you might in the WordPress space, but then most CMSes fall into that territory too...
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[chrisaldrich] douno, where is your website at?
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[georgenancejr] Does anyone know any good indie web podcasts ?
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[tantek] what are podcasts about the indieweb?
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Loqi podcasts about the indieweb are podcasts that discuss indie web topics, check out https://martymcgui.re/tag/this-week-indieweb-podcast/ for starters! https://indieweb.org/podcasts_about_the_indieweb
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[tantek] welcome douno! We've got a whole channel of folks using Known for their personal sites! #knownchat
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