#indieweb 2020-07-04
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jacky I was doing some checking of my 'popular' posts and found this facepile https://i.imgur.com/OVh6mMf.png
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krjst d/save
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[chrisaldrich] There's a /Know theme called Han Shot First that presents the homepage's entire feed of posts like the Star Wars crawl.... it could be cool to have one's comments section do something like this. 🙂
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# [chrisaldrich] [tw2113] I never said I was going to build it... but I'll be someone has some pre-made CSS that might do it out of the box....
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# [benatwork] It’s totes on GitHub
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cjk101010 hm. the parsing spec talks about „and no nested microformats,“ but it doesn't define what this means. when looking at https://github.com/microformats/tests/blob/master/tests/microformats-v2/h-card/childimplied.html this example implies an url property, but it has a nested mf: p-name. why does it imply the URL? Is „nested mf” somewhere defined?
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petermolnar !tell [tantek] people do dry up. I have a friend who wrote an insane amount for decades, ended up releasing a book. At the same time he had some changes in life. A couple of months ago we had a brief conversation, in which he admitted he's struggling with writing, even when it's short, or lyrics. And that the source of the struggling is that he's not angry any more.
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[KevinMarks] twitter ate my blogging
# [KevinMarks] lol, I blogged about that in 2008 http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/11/bloggings-not-dead-its-becoming-like.html
# petermolnar there's a deeper reason in my opinion: the internet changed. Most people, who start or are blogging nowadays, are doing so with real names. If I look back long enough, everyone ran under pseudonyms, so some knew who the author really was, but the random person arriving over the phone line did not. With real name policies, eg. facebook, this is not possible any more, and thus, people can't become someone else.
# petermolnar Owning a domain doesn't help either: nearly all registrars enforce a real world contact, which, even if protected, is traceable.
# petermolnar so in my opinion, the factors that killed blogging are the loss of pseudonymity and the gamified dopamine fight for likes
# petermolnar > but it did change because the people changed - that is debatable. Are changes introduced by Facebook and Google are the changes the people would have introduced?
# petermolnar people only ever change is the want to or because of circumstances
# petermolnar s/is the/if they
# [KevinMarks] What I say in that piece is even more true now - the various places are all converging on similar patterns of design. We used blogs fire everything, but now the silos are mostly converged
# [dave] It feels like blogs started converging on a similar design pattern, too, and not in a good way. Maybe it's just because most of the ones I see are recipe/DIY centric, but it's like hero image, start reading half the title of the article, email subscription modal, close button talking shit about you for not subscribing, intro, ad, three paragraphs of life history, ad, three paragraphs of explanation, ad, another image, ad, ingredients list peppered
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[jgmac1106] David Millar you forgot the profile pic wearing a blazer arms crossed,head tilted at 45%
# [jgmac1106] ^^ does has a link to a consultant page that brought in exactly zero clients
# [jgmac1106] Ohh and writing every day is hard.....like really freaking hard...I don't want a feed that looks like facebook
# [jgmac1106] I do like Twitter but I really follow hashtags...maybe really only interact with 10-15 people
# [jgmac1106] I like the weekly hourly chats, these then turn into long form writing for many people
# [jgmac1106] This is why I am not really talking blogging with the tech-4-teens.club want to make student passion and reflections be forefront. Hopefully blogging just happens
# _200ok_ I think people stopped blogging as much because we got more used to publishing lots of quick ideas. The idea that might have turned into a blog post gets a few tweets, some likes, thanks dopamine hit, next?!
# _200ok_ However on the flip side the evolution of twitter to actively support long threads posted at once... it's microblogging reinventing blogging.
# [jgmac1106] ....I also do not think there ever was a time where "more people were blogging" I think in many ways we glorify a history that may not have existed
# _200ok_ There was a time before twitter where it was The Big Thing
# [jgmac1106] I do Twitter threads....kinda helps me get ideas to unfold...stream of consciousness like stuff
# _200ok_ obviously blogging was big in the web industry which probably skews the ideas of just how big it was. But before facebook we also had things like livejournal, where people still tended to write longer-form.
# [jgmac1106] The Big Thing for a Niche Audience...It is fun looking through the BloggerCon agendas...all The Big Thing....then in 2004 how to connect to Facebook and SEO
# [jgmac1106] That is my outline, the ideas didn't exist before
# [jgmac1106] Threads worth exploring turn into articles or wiki pages
# [jgmac1106] Well technically I do it as a threaded notes connected by webmentions...I choose to POSSE to Twitter
# [jgmac1106] edutwitter is different. Very active...People like when ideas are organized. If you are staying on one topic, then keep ideas connected
# [jgmac1106] Yes. My blog is the rough draft of my life.
# [jgmac1106] But also just a different genre...a buddy and I wrote a 30 day poem which is one long thread between us two
# [jgmac1106] ^^ that
# [jgmac1106] A curated version of poem in the Featured Poems feed on /mypoetry page
# jgmac1106 like here is a thread that will become a blog post: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/1276235801253146624
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@ChrisAldrich @mburtis @holden I want it all too! If you'd like to join us at IndieWebCamp this weekend (free online), let's have a session there to brainstorm how we can have our cakes and eat them too. [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/25/55772668/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276235801253146624)
# [KevinMarks] Blog posts used to be short and without titles too, I posted Tom Coates note on MT changing thta recently
# [KevinMarks] For example http://epeus.blogspot.com/2002/01 has a lorry of short posts that would fit in a 2020 tweet
# [jgmac1106] yeah Kevin I kinda like the single page or month by month blogs of old
# [jgmac1106] like this: https://jgmac1106.glitch.me/blog.html
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# [KevinMarks] They usually serve a mobile version separately
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# [KevinMarks] In principle I have control, but blogspot has its own ideas (which are a bit dated)
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GWG https://wpdev.gwg.us/ - How does the airport weather widget look? Still WIP
# [chrisaldrich] What is spaced repetition?
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Loqi Spaced repetition is a functionality often provided by apps and websites using a flashcard-based UI and used for improving one's memory https://indieweb.org/spaced_repetition
# [chrisaldrich] Outside of the related /on_this_day, does anyone have examples of spaced repetition functionality on their websites? I've started a stub to collect examples ^^ if you do.
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# [chrisaldrich] GWG, I like the look of that weather widget! Lots of fun icons too.\
# [chrisaldrich] On your location, you're showing sunrise and sunset, but do you also do moon data too? Mostly I ask because I saw earlier that the full moon is tonight at roughly 9:30.
# petermolnar re [jgmac1106] > "I do like Twitter but I really follow hashtags" - so... aggregators? :)
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# [chrisaldrich] Yes, aggregators! We need more of those. And I suspect that peter has been thinking about them heavily all week.
# petermolnar that's where the morning discussion starts, whether or not we need aggregators and/or publishers (eg. curators)
# petermolnar unusually related, hn frontpage content: http://www.roughtype.com/?p=8724
# [chrisaldrich] Looking back over the chat since last night makes me think about internal aggregation. We've all been chatting about a relatively common thread that may eventually emerge into a broader perspective and result in some longer thoughts and extended posts.
# [chrisaldrich] How can we create a UI that takes smaller notes, photos, bookmarks and then helps the website owner notice the patter (by tags perhaps?) and then may prompt them into aggregating them in their own site to create a more fully fleshed out article?
# petermolnar that sounds like some kind of auto-taxonomy
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# petermolnar a system that is dynamically extended with the required kind of taxonomy
# petermolnar a voice in my head is telling me I'm reinventing RDF, so I'm going to stop this train of thoughts :D
# [chrisaldrich] notes:articles::snowball:snowball rolling downhill
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# [KevinMarks] @gwg try Belfast or Manchester
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# [chrisaldrich] If you do, you can get your first full moon in about 9 hours. 😉 🌕
# [chrisaldrich] GWG++ for sunrise/sunset based on elevation... that's awesomely specific!
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# [KevinMarks] I'd try southern hemisphere for that, given that it's 25C in siberia
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# [KevinMarks] Wilkins Runway?
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[tantek] for those of you who like podcasting: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/cultural-analysis-poet-voice
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