#indieweb 2020-07-05

2020-07-05 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Simple Location 4.1.5 Released" https://david.shanske.com/2020/07/05/simple-location-4-1-5-released/
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Boobuigi Wikimedia Maps no longer permits third-party usage? That doesn't sound right...
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Boobuigi Oh, that's because it's a lie: https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Maps_Terms_of_Use#Using_maps_in_third-party_services
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[tantek] Which part is a lie? It sounded like it stopped working...
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[tantek] Pretty sure GWG has details of that
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GWG They can't handle the server load
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GWG It's not a terms of service issue
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[tantek] Perhaps in practice a service issue even if not in terms
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GWG It was on their mailing list
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[jgmac1106] Petermolnar, chrisalrich this the collection, curation tool popular among teachers https://wakelet.com/
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petermolnar so... pinterest, but for everything, not just images?
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[jgmac1106] Yeah but you can organize it a bit...kinda like storify...but that was more linear navigation. Let me try and find an example
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[jgmac1106] https://wakelet.com/surfschool
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sknebel Boobuigi: you might be interested in this thread then: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/maps-l/2020-April/001718.html which has a) details on already in place restrictions on third-party users and b) a warning for third-party users to make plans to move off it
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sknebel and regardless, please don't go around accusing people of lying without good reason
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Boobuigi sknebel: Good info. Thank you.
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Boobuigi Finding conflicting information straight from the source's mouth is a good reason.
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sknebel you should probably give people the benefit of the doubt that if they do a change to their software because of this, its not because they attempt to intentionally spread false information, but because there is actually a reason why they do so
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Loqi I agree
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Boobuigi Give me some credit and don't put words in my mouth. I accused nobody of attempting to intentionally spread false information.
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sknebel that's what "lying" is
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Boobuigi "A statement that deviates from or perverts the truth."
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[tantek] This is a really thoughtful article about the UX dynamics of Twitter. Really curious what folks like [manton] and [benatwork] think about a “Mea Culpa” feature like this: https://nickpunt.com/blog/deescalating-social-media/
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[manton] [tantek] Thanks, checking that out.
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[chrisaldrich] This piece by Devon this Week was good and relevant to that area too https://devonzuegel.com/post/the-silence-is-deafening
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aaronpk That mea culpa idea is really interesting
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[chrisaldrich] Eli Parise had an interesting related idea...
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[chrisaldrich] What is facepalm?
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Loqi Facepalm or 🤦 is a gesture in which the palm of one's hand is brought to one's face, typically as an expression of disbelief, shame, or exasperation https://indieweb.org/facepalm
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[tantek] Right?! Couldn’t quite figure out where to put it on the wiki, e.g. as a Brainstorm for folks to consider in their note posting UIs
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[tantek] That’s note quite the same [chrisaldrich] and in particular I’d like to avoid anything that would amplify shame
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[chrisaldrich] What is emotional intelligence?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "emotional intelligence" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "emotional intelligence is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] Tantek, Im sure that's why Devon indicates using DM, to not signal shame...
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[chrisaldrich] It would be nice to have somewhere to document these....
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[tantek] Maybe /UX#Brainstorming? As a fallback since it seems too broad to put on any one feature page, though /response#Brainstorming is maybe closest
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[chrisaldrich] The response page seems most logical and findable to me.
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cambridgeport90 What's up, everyone?
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cambridgeport90 It's been a while since I've been here.
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[snarfed] welcome back!
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cambridgeport90 slaps Loqi around a bit with a large trout
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[KevinMarks] Wait, how long have you been away?
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[KevinMarks] hasn't seen fish related abuse for a while
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cambridgeport90 I don't even know how long I have been off chat. It's been a month, at least.
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[fluffy] I wonder how well a “thumbs down” type thing makes for the equivalent of a “disapproving glare.” Places that don’t allow people to dislike a thing have the theory that they’re trying to spread positivity but that might have the opposite effect.
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[fluffy] Like, lack of thumbs up isn’t the same thing as being disliked.
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jacky [fluffy]: right
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[fluffy] Facebook kinda-sorta heads in the right direction with the different reactions you can do but some of them are contextually flimsy, like ‘angry’ sometimes means ‘this thing you talked about makes me angry (I agree)’ and sometimes it means ‘this post makes me angry (please reevaluate your life)’ and there’s no way of distinguishing them.
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[fluffy] and they constantly double-down on adding more positive or caring reactions, but never add anything that indicates, y’know maybe you should stop.
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[fluffy] Sooooo many social networks make the same mistake of having no negative feedback, only positive. Twitter, dev.to, heck that was imzy’s whole Thing.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://doubleloop.net/2020/07/03/resisting-the-feudal-internet/ (from https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/55de6670-a6ac-4ff4-a88a-3d3565d04842)
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cambridgeport90 I just registered for dev.to, so it's funnythat you say that. I like it, no question about it. I like how it's supported via the web monetization API, as well.
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jacky looks up that
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jacky oh this is like the child of the work of a friend
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jacky this is interesting
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cambridgeport90 It's right now through a cetralized method, but still. You have to subscribe via the provider coil.
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jacky https://i.imgur.com/95RHGrY.png welp
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cambridgeport90 That's an image, isn't it?
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jacky it is
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jacky of the only providers and implementations
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jacky welp
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jacky lol
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jacky [chrisaldrich]: something to consider w.r.t digital gardens? https://twitter.com/Mappletons/status/1279798483218767877
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@Mappletons A spectrum of digital gardening. I like to think of it as the happy middle between chaos streams and full-scale cultivated performance. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcK_9KjXkAAGKQR.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1279798483218767877)
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jacky looks like some overlap? https://github.com/MaggieAppleton/digital-gardeners
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Loqi [MaggieAppleton] digital-gardeners: Resources, links, projects, and ideas for gardeners tending their digital notes on the public interwebs
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jacky oh there's a mention of Webmentions!
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jacky and there's a whole thread https://twitter.com/Mappletons/status/1250532315459194880
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@Mappletons Nerding hard on digital gardens, personal wikis, and experimental knowledge systems with @_jonesian today. We have an epic collection going, check these out... 1. @tomcritchlow's Wikifolders: https://tomcritchlow.com/wiki/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVrIC7WXgAMh96-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1250532315459194880)
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jacky what are digital gardens
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "digital gardens" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "digital gardens is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky hmm
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jacky oh wait lol [chrisaldrich] you're _on_ this page
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jamesvandyne Howdy from Japan. I'm trying to debug an issue with my site where Brid.gy says my posts don't have webmention support. indiewebify.me's webmentions tests work fine. Looking at my access logs and everything from bridgy is getting a 200 response. My site is jamesvandyne.com . Thank you!
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jamesvandyne I should probably mention I'm using Wordpress with the indieweb plugins all enabled and it _used_ to work. I haven't done anything other than update plugins as new releases become available.
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jacky jamesvandyne: hey there! what's your URL and user page for Bridgy Twitter?
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jamesvandyne Ah, clicking on the timestamp in Bridgy, I realize it gives me the log of the request. Unable to discover webmention endpoint.
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jacky ah well then :)
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jamesvandyne url is https://jamesvandyne.com bridgy twitter is https://brid.gy/twitter/jamesvandyne
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jamesvandyne I think I may have figured it out. For some reason rel="webmention" link my header. So an update somewhere must have busted something. Maybe a Wordpress api change or something.
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jamesvandyne It seems that some pages have it, some don't, despite trying to force it some settings to always show it. I'll continue to debug more later, time to get ready for work. Thanks all!
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GWG That's deliberate...
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KartikPrabhu GWG: you might want to explain why that is a deliberate choice
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I was going to, but noticed that the individual left
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KartikPrabhu they might com back and check the logs
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GWG Webmention endpoints are only advertised on pages which support webmentions
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