#indieweb 2020-07-12

2020-07-12 UTC
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[jgmac1106] Can flip through pages in his CDs book each containing memories layered on forgotten histories..maybe that is the "jam post" the songs that aren't just a listen post but a memory
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Pirate Book Chest" https://apiratelifefor.me/pirate-book-chest/
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[tw2113] not so much a cd book, but I know I have this typed up from years ago https://achooandthesneezes.com/achoo.json which is basically a JSON file with various mix CDs I made/named and the tracklists
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GWG How do those Moon Stats look? https://wpdev.gwg.us/
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sknebel neat!
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GWG I hope my math is right.
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GWG I stole it from a few places.
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sknebel you could compare with what a few online sites suggest it should be for a few examples
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sknebel (is there a consensus on what counts as "rise" - i.e. full disk above horizon?)
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GWG I'm within 2 minutes of them
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sknebel I guess understanding that difference would be an interesting rabbithole, but seems pretty good for what I assume is a bunch of simplifications of something thats actually quite hard to calculate really precisely
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GWG Yes, and I was never good at that kind of math.
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GWG sknebel: What are you up to?
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sknebel been playing with wiki/"knowledge base" things a bit (both to find one I like and to figure out what features to borrow if I ever get annoyed enough to write my own).
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sknebel right now trying TiddlyWiki, which works ok but I'd need to figure out hosting and export (since it normally is this SPA thing, so by default I can't just easily pull out and publish a single page as far as I can tell)
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azzamsa hi folks. Do you backup your webmentions somewhere else? Since we don't know how long those social media platform running.
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[tw2113] assuming they're stored on your own site, wouldn't they be technically part of your routine backups already?
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azzamsa Sadly, I find many examples fetch them to "_cache" folder in development mode. then re-fetch again in the build env. They are not tracked in version control. I myself want it to be tracked by other repo, so I run little script to copy those mention into other tracked directory.
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azzamsa Asked here to know the responses.
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azzamsa so I have two repos. `foo.com` for my content and `foo.com-mentions` for webmention backup purpose.
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GWG azzamsa: Mine are part of my site. That might be an issue if you use a third-party webmention host
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azzamsa GWG: so it tracked in version control? what do you use, I use webmention.io and brid.gy
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GWG azzamsa: No version control. My site isn't static
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GWG I host my own webmention endpoint
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azzamsa GWG: so you self-host something like wembention.io and bridgy?
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GWG azzamsa: I use bridgy. But I host something that does the work of webmention.io
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azzamsa what's that? nice to know self-host solution. I think I need to read more in indieweb docs
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[tw2113] all my webmentions come in as WordPress comments
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GWG azzamsa: Same as [tw2113]. Mine is built into my WordPress instance.
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GWG There are many other choices.
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azzamsa GWG: great, thanks for the responses.
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azzamsa [tw2113]: thanks.
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GWG azzamsa: Assume you have a static site?
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GWG azzamsa: Have a look at https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services
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azzamsa Yes, I use static site. pull the data from webmentions.io during build in the CI/CD.
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GWG webmentions.io is a good option, but there are other choices on the list.
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azzamsa yes, I use webmentions.io, But I need time to read how all those pieces working together.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Simple Location 4.1.6/7 Released" https://david.shanske.com/2020/07/12/simple-location-4-1-6-7-released/
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[jgmac1106] sknebel I have been playing with dokuwiki, was able to get mf2 added and support webmentions
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[jgmac1106] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/books/what-is-the-hardest-part-of-writing.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage&contentCollection=AtHome&package_index=0
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petermolnar re scrobbles, an interesting observation: things I listened to the most are not the albums that influenced me the most
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petermolnar thought this topic is probably -caht
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petermolnar -chat
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[jgmac1106] unless you mean how one would display or write them, to me the listen (scrobble) post is just real time, listening to it now "songs that changed me" seems more archival like a collection
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jmac Morning IndieWeb. After two years I am finally learning how to use Bridgy's POSSE-publish feature. (Heretofore I'd been using Bridgy just for backfeed.) It's neat.
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jmac I hadn't encountered the idea of "invisible" syndication links before reading its own docs. (<a>-tags with no content!)
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GWG jmac: It is sort of a workaround that took off
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jmac Yeah, it seems like a bit of a cheat
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jmac But, you know, see also the entirety of HTML
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petermolnar "invisible" <a> with id only, without href, used to be used for anchors in a page
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petermolnar so I wouldn't count it as cheat
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jmac That's true, for anchors
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jmac But sticking in <a href="[some url]"></a> with the express intent to make it a technically-legal source for webmentions to that URL feels a liiiiittle like one is stretching the intent of webmentions.
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jmac I can see the argument that it's just another kind of anchor tag, except between two webpages instead of within one page.
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[snarfed] definitely! using webmentions as a "trigger" for Bridgy Publish, instead of its own API, is absolutely a stretch
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jmac I don't see this as a fault on Bridgy! I love how it offloads as much as it can onto the Webmention standard -- this is just a twist I hadn't seen before
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[snarfed] thanks! the big motivation for reusing webmention was, for people whose sites already sent webmentions, they wouldn't need any extra code to automate bridgy publish, they'd just need to drop in the trigger link
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jmac That's absolutely a draw for me
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Zegnat Just note that, whether an a element contains text or not, does not remove them from the tab-navigation in browsers, nor will it hide the link from all assistive technology and the like, jmac. Had a discussion with [fluffy] about that not too long ago, based on https://github.com/PlaidWeb/Publ-templates-beesbuzz.biz/pull/8
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Loqi [Zegnat] #8 Add negative tabindex to skip focusing empty links in browsers
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jmac That's a very good point Zegnat
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jmac Naive question: would throwing in "display:none" CSS on it be better for accessibility?
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jmac (While also not breaking webmention?)
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Zegnat For CSS compliant browsers, that should work, yes. display:none, AFAIK, removes it from the accessibility tree completely.
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Zegnat But most important to test different browsers :)
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jmac That seems like a good workaround for the workaround, in the meantime!
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Zegnat See also the discussion I linked :) Else happy to dive deeper in #indieweb-dev
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Zegnat Interesting way of implementing replies: https://destroytoday.com/blog/reply-link-in-rss-feed-posts
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[fluffy] yeah display:none doesn’t remove it from navigation on lynx or w3m
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[fluffy] (nor does negative tabindex FWIW)
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[fluffy] I ended up putting meaningful text inside all of my <a>s and also use display:none to hide it on graphical browsers. That seems to work for everyone.
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Zegnat I still think it is on lynx and w3m to correctly implement hidden and tabindex from HTML. And I am unsure how much of actual webtraffic would come from either of those browsers. But making sure all links have text is never a bad idea :D
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petermolnar there's also hidden="hidden" and aria-hidden
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petermolnar both should remove them from practially everythin
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petermolnar g
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Zegnat Both were mentioned in the GitHub issue. But in my testing, those did not help w3m :( That is on the browser though
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[chrisaldrich] Is anyone displaying received /invitation notifications via Webmention on their websites? Some are sending them. I recall that brid.gy used to send invitation notifications from syndicated copies on Facebook which I've facepiled on the original event post in WordPress before. Anyone have other examples?
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jacky hmmm if I ever did that, I wouldn't make them public tbh
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jacky not until I had a corresponding public RSVp
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